Survey reveals a 44% pay gap between public and private sector

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 09:02AM

Degsy wrote: »

Wealth creating my arse...there's no future in these companes over here..they're taking people for a ride.

Foreign multinationals owe nothing to the country and will bugger off as soon as they can do the job cheaper elsewhere...then they leave behind a bunch of suddenly unemployed prima donnas who never really did a days work in thier lives.

Whos that the public sector

if that happened I for one would emigrate as I wouldnt have the cosy job for live and garenteed pension..Be careful what you wish for as if there Multinationals leave the majority of what is the private sector who pay your wage will leave aswell..Leaving the PS to pay temselves I wonder how that would work.....Yahoooo increments for all

Vizzy · 03-08-2011 09:04AM

fliball123 wrote: »

haha pot kettle there kid how long did it take to do up this post checking my posts...By the way does your tax euro go to pay my wage..NO so what I do is my own fcuking business...Did you see me coming in at 5:30 the other morning NO...Did you see me leaving at 8:30PM last night..NO...Did you see what I was doing whilst I was posting NO...As anyone in IT will tell you ..You can kick off processes or jobs and unfortuanely you have to wait for it to finish......So get your facts right before you post sh1t

Or you could be sitting on your arse doing nothing

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 09:06AM

The_Thing wrote: »

Fliball123, God bless him\her, claims to work 60 hours a week, and still finds time to make us laugh with his posts here on Boards.ie.

Attack the post not the poster....As I say I do my days work and I find time to post..I take no lunch as I am dictated by various jobs and outcomes of these specific jobs and I have downtime...So as I say attack the post not the poster...Good Public servant go have have an increment

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 09:08AM

sollar wrote: »

I'm a little skeptical of this 250 million figure. If its before Tax, PRSI, USC, Pension levy, Pension 1 and Pension 2 (these are all the deductions that come out of my gross pay) then what is the actual cost. I would love to know if its gross or net??? It would make a huge difference.

the 250m is a figure that the tax payer has to pay thats the one figure in this discussion that is only worth talking about

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 09:12AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

My God... do you really believe that our wages have been going up in th last few years???

Seriously???

I pity you if you do.

How can intentional lies like not be dealt with by moderators? No matter how many times facts are pointed out to you you choose to ignore them. Will I post you my payslips so yu can compare them from a few yars ago to today?

My point being you are saying private sector wage is going up when it blatently is not..Where have I said that PS wage is going up. I stated that increments are still going on...I know PS workers are down from the lofty heights of 3/4 years ago..My main issue is that whilst the dole will be cut and taxes will be increased and as 4 businesses close down a week moving people from tax payer to dole reciever and more cuts in hours and wage in the private sector...The PS pay and pensions are off the table going forward...Why should this be the case?

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 09:15AM

Vizzy wrote: »

Or you could be sitting on your arse doing nothing

I could very well be Vizzy but I tell you in the private sector people sitting on their ass are soon found out...I am working in my current job now 7 years so either I am very good at concealing what I do or I am doing a good job...

Itchianus · 03-08-2011 10:25AM

fliball123 wrote: »

the 250m is a figure that the tax payer has to pay thats the one figure in this discussion that is only worth talking about

I think the point is that "the taxpayer" includes the PS workers, so it does in fact matter whether the 250m is net or gross. If it's gross, then the deductions that come out of it go back to the exchequer.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if it's gross, more likely it's the net figure, so carry on with your self righteous rant, because no-one in the PS works as hard as you, or is as good at their job as you. We are all the EXACT same, lazy faceless bureaucrats afraid of a day's work. Well, that's my hour long teabreak over with, better go shuffle some paper around for an hour or so until I take my 2 hour lunch break, it's been a tough morning so I might have a lobster... :rolleyes:

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 11:01AM

Itchianus wrote: »

I think the point is that "the taxpayer" includes the PS workers, so it does in fact matter whether the 250m is net or gross. If it's gross, then the deductions that come out of it go back to the exchequer.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if it's gross, more likely it's the net figure, so carry on with your self righteous rant, because no-one in the PS works as hard as you, or is as good at their job as you. We are all the EXACT same, lazy faceless bureaucrats afraid of a day's work. Well, that's my hour long teabreak over with, better go shuffle some paper around for an hour or so until I take my 2 hour lunch break, it's been a tough morning so I might have a lobster... :rolleyes:

Even if its gross its still excess cash coming out of the tax payers pocket...how is this a self righteous rant..Its a self protection rant I dont want to be paying more in tax so that you can keep your lifestyle.......I have often said here there are people working in the ps who do a very good job but unfortunately you do all get thrown in the same pot..Same way most PS posters think the private sector are all bankers...But the PS will stand shoulder to shoulder with the union instead of insisting that increments be based on a measure of work performance......

Vizzy · 03-08-2011 11:02AM

fliball123 wrote: »

I could very well be Vizzy but I tell you in the private sector people sitting on their ass are soon found out...I am working in my current job now 7 years so either I am very good at concealing what I do or I am doing a good job...

I have no doubt that you are doing a good job,however I don't think it is appropriate that an employee in any job should be able to be posting on a social network site during working hours(even if it is possible to do it,it makes a very bad impression).
Surely there must be something more appropriate(i.e work) that you could be doing.
I can just imagine a conversation with your boss/a customer.
Him "Can you do this job for me now ?"
You "Sorry,no,I'm in the middle of an online argument about increments in the public sector.Come back to me in a few minutes"
If I was your boss I would be using your highly documented job spec and goin down tothe Social Welfare office to look for a person who is willing to work all day.
As you say yourself they will be able to do your job in no time at all.

Nijmegen · 03-08-2011 11:25AM

Vizzy wrote: »

I have no doubt that you are doing a good job,however I don't think it is appropriate that an employee in any job should be able to be posting on a social network site during working hours(even if it is possible to do it,it makes a very bad impression).
Surely there must be something more appropriate(i.e work) that you could be doing.
I can just imagine a conversation with your boss/a customer.
Him "Can you do this job for me now ?"
You "Sorry,no,I'm in the middle of an online argument about increments in the public sector.Come back to me in a few minutes"
If I was your boss I would be using your highly documented job spec and goin down tothe Social Welfare office to look for a person who is willing to work all day.
As you say yourself they will be able to do your job in no time at all.

I really don't think this should have any bearing on the discussion. The hours a person works, the way they work them, and their job effectiveness is a matter for their management to sort out, not you on this board.

These discussions are about groups and about high level stuff, and I don't feel comfortable personalising them.

fliball123 · 03-08-2011 11:40AM

Vizzy wrote: »

I have no doubt that you are doing a good job,however I don't think it is appropriate that an employee in any job should be able to be posting on a social network site during working hours(even if it is possible to do it,it makes a very bad impression).
Surely there must be something more appropriate(i.e work) that you could be doing.
I can just imagine a conversation with your boss/a customer.
Him "Can you do this job for me now ?"
You "Sorry,no,I'm in the middle of an online argument about increments in the public sector.Come back to me in a few minutes"
If I was your boss I would be using your highly documented job spec and goin down tothe Social Welfare office to look for a person who is willing to work all day.
As you say yourself they will be able to do your job in no time at all.

Well I dont deal with the public and if my boss asks me to anything it will be done I have my set tasks for the hour that I have to complete...Luckily what used to take me hours by using automation I have cut it down significantly...By all means if he could find a person on the dole with the experience I have and could get them for less money he probably would...But as I say in the private sector which is measured by performance and tasks completed vs tasks scheduled...I bring the laptop home and do work till 11/12 at night somtimes so I think I will tell you to fcuk off and mind your own business if I indulge in these discussions..and as long as its not impacting on anyone elses pocket via tax money I dont see the issue

srsly78 · 03-08-2011 05:25PM

Vizzy wrote: »

I have no doubt that you are doing a good job,however I don't think it is appropriate that an employee in any job should be able to be posting on a social network site during working hours(even if it is possible to do it,it makes a very bad impression).

Self-employed people can poast whenever they want thanks :P

stone roses · 03-08-2011 05:48PM

more crap getting people to take there eye of the prize!! we have bigger fish to fry we need to wake up and look at what the goverment and its interests want you to suffer!! work for pennys, have little or no rights in the work place , excepth you are a nobody in the system and your skills are not worth the money, they want you to take the pain and shut up , allow 1% of the population who have the money to tell you how to live your life!! this private public sector crap is a smokescreen , open your eyes and look at whats happening around you, look at what the goverment and its interests are doing to us all public and private, we are being rode without a saddle!!

The_Thing · 03-08-2011 05:54PM

fliball123 wrote: »

.Good Public servant go have have an increment

Thanks fliball123, but I am already at the top of my scale

No matter how much you or anyone else pays in taxes I am not your servant - that's why I always refer to myself as a Government employee.

mat cauthon · 03-08-2011 05:54PM

I've had posts deleted on this forum for saying less than these - if you dont like the public sector, then go work in the private.
But remember what the public sector is - its not fat cats playing with a computer, it is nurses, teachers, firemen, policemen, customs, social welfare workers....
The much lauded private sector who squealed like goosed girls when they had to pay 1% levy on their inflated pensions, bonuses and other generous perks did not take a pay cut or pay a huge pension levy.

If you think the public sector has it so good, feck off and work in it so! If you are suitably qualified. No? Thought not.
Nasty thing begrudgery.

Nijmegen · 03-08-2011 05:55PM

mat cauthon wrote: »

I've had posts deleted on this forum for saying less than these - if you dont like the public sector, then go work in the private.
But remember what the public sector is - its not fat cats playing with a computer, it is nurses, teachers, firemen, policemen, customs, social welfare workers....
The much lauded private sector who squealed like goosed girls when they had to pay 1% levy on their inflated pensions, bonuses and other generous perks did not take a pay cut or pay a huge pension levy.

If you think the public sector has it so good, feck off and work in it so! If you are suitably qualified. No? Thought not.
Nasty thing begrudgery.

Ok, this debate has gone beyond the point of any reasonable discourse...

mat cauthon · 03-08-2011 05:59PM

Proving my point - no one wins in this row. Ever.

Nijmegen · 03-08-2011 06:02PM

mat cauthon wrote: »

Proving my point - no one wins in this row. Ever.

Not when you decide not to debate, no. Typically one expects to present facts and figures and be met by facts and figures, not emotional crap.

Our €18bn a year deficit is the only constant these days. I think all this local whinging and whining over increments and 'I do a good job, it's not fair when...' will go out the window when our unbudging deficit meets the end of its bailout road.

stone roses · 03-08-2011 06:05PM

mat cauthon wrote: »

Proving my point - no one wins in this row. Ever.

your dead right nobody wins excepth the goverment, this is what they want, the people of ireland at each other, rowing over the scraps while they feast on our labour!!!! i worked in public and private we are all the same when it comes to feeding our family or keeping our head above water, we need to reload and point our fire in a new direction the goverment!!!

stone roses · 03-08-2011 06:17PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

Not when you decide not to debate, no. Typically one expects to present facts and figures and be met by facts and figures, not emotional crap.

Our €18bn a year deficit is the only constant these days. I think all this local whinging and whining over increments and 'I do a good job, it's not fair when...' will go out the window when our unbudging deficit meets the end of its bailout road.

not emotional what crap is that? its an emotional time for poeple whos kids have to emigrate or who cant feed tere family, its an emotional time if you have lost your job, home or you have given up all hope!! i take it none of the above bother you to much? your only worryed about the 18bn? good man yourself !!

Nijmegen · 03-08-2011 06:39PM

stone roses wrote: »

not emotional what crap is that? its an emotional time for poeple whos kids have to emigrate or who cant feed tere family, its an emotional time if you have lost your job, home or you have given up all hope!! i take it none of the above bother you to much? your only worryed about the 18bn? good man yourself !!

I live here to. I'm affected too. You know what the interest on our debt is coming to? More than 1/3 of what we collect in taxes pretty soon. Then it'll spike up near to half, if we keep going.

How do we have a future when a third of our money is being paid on the interest of the national credit card?

Itchianus · 03-08-2011 07:27PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

Not when you decide not to debate, no. Typically one expects to present facts and figures and be met by facts and figures, not emotional crap.

Our €18bn a year deficit is the only constant these days. I think all this local whinging and whining over increments and 'I do a good job, it's not fair when...' will go out the window when our unbudging deficit meets the end of its bailout road.

So, to get back to the actual debate, what's your proposal then? How much of the 18bn do you think can / should be recouped out of reductions in the PS wage bill, and how? (Apologies if you've already posted this, but it might get the discussion back on track if you repost!)

Nijmegen · 03-08-2011 07:36PM

Itchianus wrote: »

So, to get back to the actual debate, what's your proposal then? How much of the 18bn do you think can / should be recouped out of reductions in the PS wage bill, and how? (Apologies if you've already posted this, but it might get the discussion back on track if you repost!)

As I've said, reductions in numbers, getting rid of inefficient management, and things we just plain can't afford.

If companies bigger than our public service could turn themselves around in recession, Ireland can too.

But enforced redundancy is a big no no in Ireland.

tayto lover · 03-08-2011 08:44PM

Still at it i see.

I have worked in both sectors and the Public Sector is not all its cracked up to be.
This kind of argument only suits the Government and is instigated by the Independent all the time.
Will you people ever wake up and see that having you bickering is just what their plan is. When they start cutting again and are finished with the Public Sector they will then start again on the Private Sector. Divide and conquer.

stone roses · 03-08-2011 09:19PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Still at it i see.

I have worked in both sectors and the Public Sector is not all its cracked up to be.
This kind of argument only suits the Government and is instigated by the Independent all the time.
Will you people ever wake up and see that having you bickering is just what their plan is. When they start cutting again and are finished with the Public Sector they will then start again on the Private Sector. Divide and conquer.

they dont care mate! they are programmed to conform to the system people like this will never see the bigger picture or they dont want to, its not in tere interest cash is king thats all they see , money, money, money!!!

but on a good note there are millions of people out tere who do know whats going on, desent good people who want to work hard and feed tere familys , divide and conquer this is tere mission make no mistake!!

public private sector talk its all crap, we must stick together if we are to have any chance for the future!!

thebman · 03-08-2011 11:16PM

This lads look at this conspiracy theory, the government want to turn private on public or vise versa divide and conquer etc... has no substance to it at all.

There is a budget deficit and needs to be fixed if we are to avoid default. It is a purely logical and mathematical exercise and I see no evidence that the conspiracy theory of public vs private exists.

Certainly there are newspaper with agendas but that has always been the case and newspaper will print what they believe will sell.

gigino · 04-08-2011 12:17AM

Its still shameful that 3 or 4 years in to this financial crises / recession, and with the IMF here, survey after survey is consistent with / finds / " reveals a 44% pay gap between public and private sector ".

The other thing that is surprising is how so many public servants post here during working hours. I know some claim is is their entitlement to surf the net while at work.

gigino · 04-08-2011 12:29AM

Valmont wrote: »

How on earth did the public sector function ten years ago when there were 65,000 less workers?

Good point. And do not forget the cost of running the public service was a whopping 11 billion a year less ten years ago too. And still everyone survived.

doc_17 · 04-08-2011 07:40AM

Itchianus wrote: »

So, to get back to the actual debate, what's your proposal then? How much of the 18bn do you think can / should be recouped out of reductions in the PS wage bill, and how? (Apologies if you've already posted this, but it might get the discussion back on track if you repost!)

Good Question....

Nijmegen wrote: »

As I've said, reductions in numbers, getting rid of inefficient management, and things we just plain can't afford.

If companies bigger than our public service could turn themselves around in recession, Ireland can too.

But enforced redundancy is a big no no in Ireland.

How many do we get rid off? Who are these and how many of these inefficient managers should go?

I broadly agree with your premise but some facts and figures would be good.....

femur61 · 04-08-2011 07:44AM

I was at the tax office in Kilkenny yesterday and it closes at 1pm every day. This is new as I have been there in the afternoon before, tax payers money, I am getting madder and madder that my money is paying for the PS wages, my money.

Survey reveals a 44% pay gap between public and private sector

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