Oslo bombed

bradlente · 23-07-2011 03:26AM

Lads,I know Norway is not a patron of capital punishment and people can make their own arguments against it,this day and age and what not.But surely this guy will be strung up

What a ****ing tragedy

bradlente · 23-07-2011 03:29AM

Morlar wrote: »

I think he will be in solitary for the rest of his miserable life, either that or killed in prison as soon as he is put in with the rest of them.

You're bang on there.This man has signed his own death warrant.

Duggy747 · 23-07-2011 03:31AM

No prison will ever put him with another human being. This guy will become a high-profile case study.

raveni · 23-07-2011 03:35AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Demented bastard had a vendetta against that island, he knew what he was up to and had this planned, presumably, for a long time.

I'm conflicted, though. Everywhere on the net today I saw nothing but pure and utter hatred towards Muslims surface. It's always existed but today was exceptionally vile.

Ok, there were reasons as to why Norway may have been targeted by an Islamic extremist group but once we were slowly drip-fed information and learnt this was a Norwegian the whole immigration hatred vapourised initially.

Someone, somewhere is seeing this as just-desert.

I'm just spitballing, of course, but I think this guy will represent a complete opposite of the spectrum. Of what people expect to happen in their own societies in this day and age of attacks of this magnitude. Wouldn't be surprised if he was a hard-line guy against immigration / anti-multiculturalism / anti-Islam / all that mullarkey.

Hopefully it'll make people wake up and realise it's not just muslim extremists who are capable of such atrocities and not assume it's always muslim related when something like this happens.

bradlente wrote: »

Lads,I know Norway is not a patron of capital punishment and people can make their own arguments against it,this day and age and what not.But surely this guy will be strung up

What a ****ing tragedy

I wouldn't be suprised if there are a lot of calls for it.

Elohim · 23-07-2011 03:36AM

Needs to be put in the deepest, darkest, coldest cell they can find. I'm absolutely shocked at what he did.

Columbia · 23-07-2011 03:38AM

bradlente wrote: »

Lads,I know Norway is not a patron of capital punishment and people can make their own arguments against it,this day and age and what not.But surely this guy will be strung up

What a ****ing tragedy

Wasn't going to get into it here (unpopular opinion and the debate would draw attention away from what is a horrendous tragedy), but this is why all nations should have an option to impose the death penalty for extreme cases such as this. Unfortunately society no longer feels the need to punish people who murder 80 children.

dfx- · 23-07-2011 03:40AM

bradlente wrote: »

Lads,I know Norway is not a patron of capital punishment and people can make their own arguments against it,this day and age and what not.But surely this guy will be strung up

[usual defence] How can we trust the justice system that it was him? [/usual defence]

Sardonicat wrote: »

Awful, but not surprising. A witness reported that he was calling them to him, offering help. They were kids, they'd heard shooting, they were panicking, he was dressed as a policeman.... Jesus H. Christ.

That and the fact that it was a couple of hours after the bomb is particularly disturbing. The island attack was not a panicking last stand or instinctive reaction, it was coldblooded where he had the time between bomb and shooting to think of what he was about to do...:(

Duggy747 · 23-07-2011 03:41AM

raveni wrote: »

Hopefully it'll make people wake up and realise it's not just muslim extremists who are capable of such atrocities and not assume it's always muslim related when something like this happens.

Agreed, but I don't blame people for assuming Islam extremists, it had the initial hallmarks in regards to the bomb. It was my first thought too, we almost become used to hearing of such things. Especially given Norways actions down in the Middle East and with the publication of the cartoons which lead to numerous threats from groups. It was the island shootings that made this scenario very different.

It was the OTT hatred to all Muslims that got me. This planet couldn't be more divided if you broke it up into pieces.

EDIT: If it's true, that the shooter had fooled the people who gave him the boat, then I can't imagine the guilt they're going through as well.

jill_valentine · 23-07-2011 03:43AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Soundsto me like the bomb was just the diversion, the shooting was his main priority on that island.

It's my understanding that the Prime Minister was due to be at either of the two locations. He may have been hedging his bets.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:43AM

Gonna sound like a redneck hick but coming back to read that one guy with a gun took out 80 people? Every one of us should be fcuking armed. I just can't believe that, anything I say the rest of the night will make no sense because i'm in shock

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:46AM

Seriously, 80 ****ing people? I'm getting a gun soon and nothing's taking it off me. How many others tried to stop it and couldn't? Jesus fcuking christ.

PseudoFamous · 23-07-2011 03:46AM

amacachi wrote: »

Gonna sound like a redneck hick but coming back to read that one guy with a gun took out 80 people? Every one of us should be fcuking armed. I just can't believe that, anything I say the rest of the night will make no sense because i'm in shock

Most-if-not-all of the Utoya victims were between 14 and 18, which is a highly inadvisable age group to give guns to.

Columbia · 23-07-2011 03:46AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Agreed, but I don't blame people for assuming Islam extremists, it had the initial hallmarks in regards to the bomb. It was my first thought too, we almost become used to hearing of such things. Especially given Norways actions down in the Middle East and with the publication of the cartoons which lead to numerous threats from groups.

It was the OTT hatred to all Muslims that got me. This planet couldn't be more divided if you broke it up into pieces.

I blame news outlets for it (I was watching Sky News, but it sounds like many followed a similar path). Sky News, in the absence of any information at all, banged on for hours and hours about how it was probably Islamic extremists, and when the suspect was described as Nordic and blond, the presenter actually said "maybe he's a converted Muslim or someone with bleached hair". Even now when it's been established that the guy has no links with Al Qaeda or any other organisation, they still call his attacks "Mumbai-style".

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:47AM

PseudoFamous wrote: »

Most-if-not-all of the Utoya victims were between 14 and 18, which is a highly inadvisable age group to give guns to.

Someone close would be over 18. All the shootings we hear about here are shootings in areas where people can't have guns. Read American laws and ask where's going to get robbed, the place where people can't take guns into or the place where everyone's armed.

dfx- · 23-07-2011 03:51AM

amacachi wrote: »

Seriously, 80 ****ing people? I'm getting a gun soon and nothing's taking it off me. How many others tried to stop it and couldn't? Jesus fcuking christ.

If it's true as reported by the Telegraph that there were around 500 people on that island, 80 might be a low number.

PseudoFamous · 23-07-2011 03:51AM

The sheer gravity of this incident is overwhelming for me. Seriously, this is already the world's worst killing spree in history, and the reaction is marginal. Worse still is the fact that the death toll is expected to increase further, and the best part of a hundred kids are dead or injured, if not more than 100.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:55AM

I'm sure the yanks will be wondering this. 80+? How?

Whatever about anything else but for 80 or more people to be killed by one fcuking person with a gun says a lot. It wouldn't happen in America because they're get riddled after 2 people.

Jesus, I still just can't believe it. Ruined me night out :P

FouxDaFaFa · 23-07-2011 03:56AM

Jesus, I didn't think this could get any worse but such a high death toll from the island is a huge shock. I suppose for what it's worth, he's in custody and can't hurt any more people.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:57AM

dfx- wrote: »

If it's true as reported by the Telegraph that there were around 500 people on that island, 80 might be a low number.

My point is how could someone have that much time before being shot up. I've said before I don't like guns but if I could I'd have one and the fact that someone could shoot up that many people with impunity says more than anything else to me.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 03:58AM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Jesus, I didn't think this could get any worse but such a high death toll from the island is a huge shock. I suppose for what it's worth, he's in custody and can't hurt any more people.

In a sensible society he would've had bullets in his head after a couple of shots.

PseudoFamous · 23-07-2011 03:59AM

amacachi wrote: »

In a sensible society he would've had bullets in his head after a couple of shots.

In a sensible society, he wouldn't have had those weapons.

raveni · 23-07-2011 03:59AM

Reading here, Norway has on average around 40 murders a year, can't begin to imagine how devastating and shocking this is for the country.

jill_valentine · 23-07-2011 03:59AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Agreed, but I don't blame people for assuming Islam extremists, it had the initial hallmarks in regards to the bomb.

It didn't though. That's the thing. It bore none of the hallmarks of an Islamic extremist attack. Sky and CBS and chums wheeled out a couple of "experts" who suggested as much, but beyond the fact that it was a bomb, it had barely any resemblance at all even to my uneducated eye. It was at the wrong time and in the wrong place and it was wrong type of bombing; there were always far more likely suspects from the get-go, and Norway's scuffles with pockets of right wing extremism are well known.

Despite all the early alarm bells, Sky & Co. still set out to write an Islamic extremist narrative, and were, as of an hour ago, still running the tape of their "expert" opinions to this effect. Over the water, an American friend who was following the story earlier just told me that she hadn't even heard that the guy was caucasian, and another that there had been a dramatic drop-off in the amount of network interest around about the time that started to be more widely reported. Both reported that Al Qaeda are still being bandied around, several hours after the Islamic angle has been officially dismissed.

A remarkably shameful little episode at a time when I would have expected major news outlets to try to shore up their credibility.

Duggy747 · 23-07-2011 04:01AM

America has guns coming out of their arses, still hasn't stopped any of the shooting sprees which have occured there. Some of which have been the biggest..............now dwarved by this horro.

dfx- · 23-07-2011 04:03AM

amacachi wrote: »

My point is how could someone have that much time before being shot up. I've said before I don't like guns but if I could I'd have one and the fact that someone could shoot up that many people with impunity says more than anything else to me.

He was on a reasonably remote island. They were fish in a barrel.

I doubt there'd have been a police presence on the island until they found out what he was up to. That could earn him 5? 10? 20? minutes of a spree in a small place where there's nowhere to run before anyone can get to him to shoot back.

SharpshooterTom · 23-07-2011 04:06AM

Morlar wrote: »

I think he will be in solitary for the rest of his miserable life, either that or killed in prison as soon as he is put in with the rest of them.

He reminds me of one of those columbine killers. Sure they had links to right wing issues, but they weren't political or anything. They were just nuts, whatever political views you have, you have to be pretty retarded to do that.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 04:07AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

It didn't though. That's the thing. It bore none of the hallmarks of an Islamic extremist attack. Sky and CBS and chums wheeled out a couple of "experts" who suggested as much, but beyond the fact that it was a bomb, it had barely any resemblance at all even to my uneducated eye. It was at the wrong time and in the wrong place and it was wrong type of bombing; there were always far more likely suspects from the get-go, and Norway's scuffles with pockets of right wing extremism are well known.

Despite all the early alarm bells, Sky & Co. still set out to write an Islamic extremist narrative, and were, as of an hour ago, still running the tape of their "expert" opinions to this effect. Over the water, an American friend who was following the story earlier just told me that she hadn't even heard that the guy was caucasian, and another that there had been a dramatic drop-off in the amount of network interest around about the time that started to be more widely reported. Both reported that Al Qaeda are still being bandied around, several hours after the Islamic angle has been officially dismissed.

A remarkably shameful little episode at a time when I would have expected major news outlets to try to shore up their credibility.

God yeah, it's the media to blame for people worrying about Islam.

Fcuk that ****, even the most liberal of us knew straight away it was some "Religious" "islam" "offshoot" arseholes who did this as soon as we heard of this.

jill_valentine · 23-07-2011 04:10AM

Mentioned it earlier, but this is The Sun's front page for tomorrow:

http://twitpic.com/5u6n2l

Quality work, arseholes.

amacachi · 23-07-2011 04:10AM

dfx- wrote: »

He was on a reasonably remote island. They were fish in a barrel.

I doubt there'd have been a police presence on the island until they found out what he was up to. That could earn him 5? 10? 20? minutes of a spree in a small place where there's nowhere to run before anyone can get to him to shoot back.

I'm not talkin about police. In about 43 states you can carry a concealed gun no problem once you have a permit. But if a store has a certain sign then you can't take it in there. Where will be robbed, the place that people who are could be armed or the place where someone is beaking the law by carrying a gun?

Duggy747 wrote: »

America has guns coming out of their arses, still hasn't stopped any of the shooting sprees which have occured there. Some of which have been the biggest..............now dwarved by this horro.

America has a massive population which is easy to forget. And again, do those shootings happen where other people are armed or in "gun free" areas?

Duggy747 · 23-07-2011 04:11AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

It didn't though. That's the thing. It bore none of the hallmarks of an Islamic extremist attack.

There were plenty of threats towards Norwegian politicians in past few months. A car bomb or a suicide bomb are the plain-as-daylight traits of Islamic extremist groups. Of course, other groups have used the car bomb but when you think of Norway's involvement in the Middle East it wasn't a far throw to assume such groups would be behind it........no matter how quick or wrong the judgement was.

Plus there was a suicide bomb in Stockholm in December and the raid against a terrorist plot in Denmark in the same month. To expect something from people like this in this region was not far-fetched.

Sky and CBS and chums wheeled out a couple of "experts" who suggested as much, but beyond the fact that it was a bomb, it had barely any resemblance at all even to my uneducated eye. It was at the wrong time and in the wrong place and it was wrong type of bombing; there were always far more likely suspects from the get-go, and Norway's scuffles with pockets of right wing extremism are well known.

News agencies like Sky are utter scum. In the end it's just ratings to them. When they spoke to the teenage girl who was on that island they kept trying to pull emotions out of her, it was sickening to watch them do such a thing. It's being repeated constantly, listen to how the presenter tries his best to evoke a heavy emotional reponse from her.

Norway has had it problems with it's far-right groups but when did they perform an attack like this last?

Despite all the early alarm bells, Sky & Co. still set out to write an Islamic extremist narrative, and were, as of an hour ago, still running the tape of their "expert" opinions to this effect. Over the water, an American friend who was following the story earlier just told me that she hadn't even heard that the guy was caucasian, and another that there had been a dramatic drop-off in the amount of network interest around about the time that started to be more widely reported. Both reported that Al Qaeda are still being bandied around, several hours after the Islamic angle has been officially dismissed

A remarkably shameful little episode at a time when I would have expected major news outlets to try to shore up their credibility.

Again, Sky and other big news agencies are scum when playing this card. It's like who can get the juiciest gossip first by just saying it and hoping it's right.

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