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Oslo bombed

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  • #62
    Tabnabs
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Isn't Norway largely irreligious too. I mean I know at least two Norwegian special forces members who are atheists. (Great anecdotal provision of a source of statistical data there:D)

    State religion is Lutheran. Pretty much everyone is Lutheran as most in Ireland are Catholic.


  • #63
    scopper
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Isn't Norway largely irreligious too. I mean I know at least two Norwegian special forces members who are atheists. (Great anecdotal provision of a source of statistical data there:D)

    Most atheist country in the world I believe.


  • #64
    Killer Pigeon
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    sollar wrote: »
    I would like to ban all Muslims from Ireland. Show me a country where they have integrated well and brought something positive.

    The thing is many immigrant groups (especially African, Middle Eastern and East Asian) aren't integrated too well into the general population, not just here, in the UK or perhaps in Norway but all over Europe. This is true and it is an issue that needs to be tackled. Leaders in many European countries have said that multiculturalism has failed. To be honest, "banning" a group of people is ethnic cleansing (if you like that terminology or not). You can't do that, we need to only look at history. Governments need to put more effort into integrating people into the general population.


  • #65
    sollar
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    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    Emmm......I'll play - Ireland. What do I win?

    While we're banning people of religions that'd have planted bombs and carried out shootings in Ireland, add Catholics and Protestants to your manifesto.

    I won't be responding anymore than this on the subject or i'll get banned. Perhaps banning all muslims is over the top. But we need to be careful not to sell our freedom down the river trying to placate other cultures. I'll stand over my comment that they struggle to integrate well and that is not good for any society.


  • #66
    Corsendonk
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    scopper wrote: »
    Most atheist country in the world I believe.

    Wrong, Czechs then the Estonias and Swedes in Europe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism


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  • #67
    Tabnabs
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    A picture of the suspected car

    http://nrk.no/drfront/resources/img/2011-07/22/2-60a8f1bd-61ebfcb6.jpeg


  • #68
    scopper
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    Corsendonk wrote: »
    Wrong, Czechs then the Estonias and Swedes in Europe.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

    I stand corrected. :)


  • #69
    Kevin Duffy
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    sollar wrote: »
    I won't be responding anymore than this on the subject or i'll get banned. Perhaps banning all muslims is over the top. But we need to be careful not to sell our freedom down the river trying to placate other cultures. I'll stand over my comment that they struggle to integrate well and that is not good for any society.

    I'll take that to mean that you have nothing to say and/or anything you had to say would be racist and horrible and would rightly result in a penalty, which you are aware of but cling to your prejudice.

    If you have a point, which you can back up and do it in a rational, respectful manner, why lash out statements only to immediately shy away from criticism?


  • #70
    melekalikimaka
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    Tabnabs wrote: »
    What a lovely way of viewing the incident.

    I would love to hear how you describe 9/11, Madrid and London bombings...

    i have pity for the victims of the attacks, unfair to all the innocent citizens in wrong place at wrong time... but on the otherhand, over 25 percent of all bombs dropped by nato were by norwegian fighter planes... norway placed themselves in the crosshairs for a terrorist attack.

    I do however hope this will be the end of such attacks on a 'neutral' ( neutral as any nato country can be i suppose) state, and i hope injuries and deaths are minimal.


  • #71
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Norway: Blast near prime minister's office in Oslo


    A large explosion has hit near government headquarters in the Norwegian capital Oslo.

    The blast is thought to have caused damage to the offices of Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and a number of other official buildings.

    Witnesses have said several people were injured in the incident in the centre of the city.

    Pictures from the scene showed shattered windows and smoke drifting in the streets.

    A journalist with Norwegian public radio station NRK said the headquarters of tabloid newspaper VG were also damaged.

    "I see that some windows of the VG building and the government headquarters have been broken. Some people covered with blood are lying in the street," the Associated Press news agency quoted him as saying.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515

    Hope everyone is ok... Who would have carried out that?
    Just spoke to my brother, the bombs went off two buildings away from his office! he's blessed, he was going out the door about 2 minutes earlier and someone stopped him to ask him something, he would have going by the bombs when they exploded :(


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  • #72
    MagicMarker
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    aligator_am wrote: »
    Just spoke to my brother, the bombs went off two buildings away feom his office! he's blessed, he was gping out the door about 2 minutes earlier and someone stopped him to ask him something, he would have going by the bombs when they exploded :(
    How convenient for him.... *looks suspicious*


  • #73
    stevenmu
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    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    i have pity for the victims of the attacks, unfair to all the innocent citizens in wrong place at wrong time... but on the otherhand, over 25 percent of all bombs dropped by nato were by norwegian fighter planes... norway placed themselves in the crosshairs for a terrorist attack.

    I do however hope this will be the end of such attacks on a 'neutral' ( neutral as any nato country can be i suppose) state, and i hope injuries and deaths are minimal.



    Ah, the old 'two wrongs make a right' argument.


  • #74
    MagicMarker
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    stevenmu wrote: »
    Ah, the old 'two wrongs make a right' argument.
    You must be reading a different post to what I'm reading.


  • #75
    Duggy747
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    aligator_am wrote: »
    He was going out the door about 2 minutes earlier and someone stopped him to ask him something, he would have going by the bombs when they exploded :(

    If I was you're brother I'd buy that guy a pint.


  • #76
    smokingman
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    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    i have pity for the victims of the attacks, unfair to all the innocent citizens in wrong place at wrong time... but on the otherhand

    Jihad much?


  • #77
    Manic Moran
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    Tabnabs wrote: »
    A picture of the suspected car

    http://nrk.no/drfront/resources/img/2011-07/22/2-60a8f1bd-61ebfcb6.jpeg

    Seems to be awfully intact for a car bomb causing that much damage. I don't think that's it.

    I was about 100 yards away from this one when it blew:
    http://data.primeportal.net/iraq/VWBomb.JPG

    You can see how little of the car was left afterwards
    http://data.primeportal.net/iraq/carbomb1.jpg

    Other than bits of car landing around the area, no particular hazard, not a huge crater, and a completely obliterated car. I'd wager that the Oslo bomb was bigger than the one in the Passat I met.

    NTM


  • #78
    amacachi
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    stevenmu wrote: »
    Ah, the old 'two wrongs make a right' argument.

    Not really, most who are in favour of or defend the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. go on about how it's war and all that kinda crap. If it's a war then both sides have to prepare for losses.


  • #79
    stevenmu
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You must be reading a different post to what I'm reading.
    I might be drastically misreading it, but it appears to be saying that it's pretty much Norway's own fault, rather than entirely the fault of the people who planted and detonated the bomb.


  • #80
    Tabnabs
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    some more photos

    http://static02.vg.no/drfront/images/2011-07/22/88-a78b8474-3272dbce.jpeg

    http://static02.vg.no/drfront/images/2011-07/22/88-0c8d07aa-785c9200.jpeg

    http://g.api.no/obscura/pub/960x1200r/03892/1311348336000_eksplosjon3-2048_1_3892891960x1200r.jpg

    http://g.api.no/obscura/pub/698x698r/03892/1311345683000_eksplosjon14_3892825698x698r.jpg


  • #81
    stevenmu
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    amacachi wrote: »
    Not really, most who are in favour of or defend the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. go on about how it's war and all that kinda crap. If it's a war then both sides have to prepare for losses.
    I'm not defending the actions/wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, at least not here. I simply think that this bomb was soley the fault of the people who planted and detonated it.

    Either it was wrong and those people should be condemned, or it was right and they should be applauded (I believe the former by the way).

    Saying that it was terrible but that it was their own fault, absolves the bombers of blame and condones their actions.


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  • #82
    sollar
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    Kevin Duffy wrote: »
    I'll take that to mean that you have nothing to say and/or anything you had to say would be racist and horrible and would rightly result in a penalty, which you are aware of but cling to your prejudice.

    If you have a point, which you can back up and do it in a rational, respectful manner, why lash out statements only to immediately shy away from criticism?

    No, not racist. I have no problem with people of any race coming here. Unfortunately Islam comes with baggage. Of course the majority are fine but countries with large Muslim immigrant populations have problems with integration, Muslim extremism and intolerance to western values. Maybe you welcome that... i don't.

    Yes my comment about banning all Muslims was a rush of blood to the head. But i think we do need to be careful and not let anyone with ties to extremism in. Checks need to be carried out. I don't think we need to be taking in asylum seekers from these countries unless we can verify their background.


  • #83
    TheZohanS
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    Tabnabs wrote: »
    video of the aftermath
    http://www.aftenposten.no/embed/?art_id=4180707

    If that was in the US the building would have collapsed by now...


  • #84
    amacachi
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    stevenmu wrote: »
    I'm not defending the actions/wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, at least not here. I simply think that this bomb was soley the fault of the people who planted and detonated it.

    Either it was wrong and those people should be condemned, or it was right and they should be applauded (I believe the former by the way).

    Saying that it was terrible but that it was their own fault, absolves the bombers of blame and condones their actions.

    Are you 13?

    I abhor violence as I'm sure the 100s of thousands of families affected by the Norwegians do or once did.


  • #85
    Turtwig
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    amacachi wrote: »
    Not really, most who are in favour of or defend the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. go on about how it's war and all that kinda crap. If it's a war then both sides have to prepare for losses.

    Sorry, this isn't fully accurate. This was a bomb aimed at directly causing harm to civilians. How many of those bombs dropped by Norwegian Fighter Planes were intentionally and directly targeting civilians? The answer should be none, if they was one odds are that Pilot would be prosecuted by the Norwegians themselves.
    Even in the ugliness of war they are norms that are expected. Even in war, you're not expected to prepare for these types of losses.


  • #86
    Morlar
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    From what pictures I have seen this looks more like a truck bomb than a car bomb. If a car was loaded with enough high explosives to do that much damage over that wide an area it would have been vapourised.


  • #87
    amacachi
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Sorry, this isn't fully true. This was a bomb aimed at directly causing harm to civilians. How many of those bombs dropped by Norwegian Fighter Planes were intentionally and directly targeting civilians? The answer should be none, if they was one odds are that Pilot would be prosecuted by the Norwegians themselves.
    Even in the ugliness of war they are norms that are expected.

    Once rules are followed then it's fine.


  • #88
    Fratton Fred
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    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    ...but on the otherhand, over 25 percent of all bombs dropped by nato were by norwegian fighter planes... norway placed themselves in the crosshairs for a terrorist attack.

    Why?


  • #89
    opinion guy
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Seems to be awfully intact for a car bomb causing that much damage. I don't think that's it.

    I was thinking the same thing. I find it very hard to believe that the car would be in any kind of intact lump at all given how blasted to **** the buildings are in the pictures we are seeing.


  • #90
    amacachi
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    What's the latest anyway? Still 3 dead so far?


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  • #91
    stevenmu
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    amacachi wrote: »
    Are you 13?
    Should I just assume that you're trying to argue that not everything is so black and white, but lack the eloquence to do so properly?


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