blanchardstown yorkies not pure bred?

ISDW · 17-07-2011 7:08pm

liloldeme wrote: »

Hey hold on! I didn't say it was right at any stage so please keep comments aimed at me to yourself. I simply made a comment that the op may not have known about the farms, I didn't know they were buying a breed that doesn't exist - yorkie is the title. I at no stage said it was right or agreed to purchasing a dog from a car park either. I don't know why people on here attack people for their comments!

How on earth am I attacking you for your comments?

I was pointing out that the OP found an ad for a breed that doesn't exist and then bought it in a car park. So obviously, no matter how much they protest, they knew there was something wrong with what they were doing. And I made the analogy with the TV to show it.

This is a discussion forum, I am discussing, nowhere in my reply did I mention you, you were saying that the OP didn't seem to know about puppy farms etc. In my opinion, and with the analogy I used, yes they did/do and just wanted a cheap puppy - like people who buy stolen TVs just want a cheap one.

Cherry Blossom · 17-07-2011 7:09pm

liloldeme wrote: »

I will be honest in saying my research didn't, it brought a lot of breed sites I could join and get in contact with other owners. I purchased my dog off a good breeder but it is in the last year or so I actually heard of puppy farms (no tv - no time!) and I know a people who didn't know until recently.

The link I posted on the last page is from a breeders website and I have seen information on puppy farms on an awful lot of breeders sites, there are more that have info on them than there are that don't. The one I posted was particularly memorable so I took the time to go back and find it again, if it was memorable for me it will be for others.

Elmidena · 17-07-2011 7:32pm

In the early days of 2009, I took a whim to get a dog online to keep Mum company while I was in college in Dublin and saw a huge range of ads that screamed scam central. I didn't want to spend a fortune on a dog and wasn't able to visit rescue centres at the time. Eventually I found a border collie/lab 8 week old pup and texted the owner to meet her. She gave me an address for Clondalkin, but after getting a wee bit lost at a roundabout she came out to Lidl carpark to give me the pup with his favourite toys.

Took the pup to Wexford the next day and to the vet a couple of days afterwards for a general MOT. At home, discovered pup was NOT housetrained as advertised, a picky eater (loves mince and Jessie...hates anything expensive

) and last but not least chewed anything to shreds when you looked away. Although my doggie was admittedly free, learnt another few things from the vet!

1."He" was a she
2. Had a hernia; not life threatening but could cause complications and recommended removing it if I ever got her spayed (once I learned I had a bítch, spaying was forefront of my mind!)
3. Was NOT 8 weeks old, more like 12-15 by vet's examinations
4. She was a pedigree border collie, not a mixbreed

I just wanted a dog and didn't hand money over, and though I've spent a fortune on replacing things she ate before she was evicted to a kennel outside, wouldn't trade her for the world. Had been eying up Yorkies to begin with and there had been ads for miniatures back then that raised alarm bells in my head; I had no desire to shell a few hundred out for a pup that no doubt was one of many mass-produced for Christmas-time scams.

I don't find anything dodgy about my "seller" meeting me in the carpark as I said, as it was to make it more convenient for me as she was familiar with that bit of Dublin and I wasn't after initially giving me her house address. Giving me the pup's toys for free was nice too, and was a way of getting the pup to feel less scared with a vaguely familiar scent/chew toy (I guess my hint for the dog being a chewer was there and fool me for not seeing it!)

You win some you lose some, but although you're miffed at losing a bit of money do you not love the dog? If you break down the €270 to a daily rate of however many cents a day for the life expectancy, then it's a very small price to pay for a member of the family. Small dogs are cheap to feed as well, so your weekly outgoings shouldn't be too much unless you're breaking out the diamond collars or the like!

andreac · 17-07-2011 7:43pm

Sunshine, buying a pup or dog shouldnt be convenient for anyone, either buyer or seller.
Its a living creature so lots of thought and effort needs to be put into the process and things like meeting in car parks etc to make it easier or more convenient for either buyer or seller are wrong, end of.

carwash_2006 · 17-07-2011 8:04pm

Sorry Sunshine, but a genuine seller that had the dogs welfare at the forefront would never go to meet someone in a car park with the pup. To be honest, they would probably not let the dog go to anyone at the first visit. This should be about vetting the suitability of the dog for the home on the part of the buyer and the seller. Unless the person came to them with a recommendation from someone that was well respected by the seller only a backyard breeder, puppy farmer or someone who just wanted to get rid of a mistake would operate in that fashion.

liloldeme · 17-07-2011 8:19pm

ISDW wrote: »

How on earth am I attacking you for your comments? I was pointing out that the OP found an ad for a breed that doesn't exist and then bought it in a car park. So obviously, no matter how much they protest, they knew there was something wrong with what they were doing. And I made the analogy with the TV to show it.

This is a discussion forum, I am discussing, nowhere in my reply did I mention you, you were saying that the OP didn't seem to know about puppy farms etc. In my opinion, and with the analogy I used, yes they did/do and just wanted a cheap puppy - like people who buy stolen TVs just want a cheap one.

Sorry, I thought you were. No puppy should be considered cheap, different breeds will cost more, they are a living creature, part of the family as far as I am concerned as every pet should be. Sorry again - took you up wrong.

liloldeme · 17-07-2011 8:25pm

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

The link I posted on the last page is from a breeders website and I have seen information on puppy farms on an awful lot of breeders sites, there are more that have info on them than there are that don't. The one I posted was particularly memorable so I took the time to go back and find it again, if it was memorable for me it will be for others.

I believe it, I have read and seen stuff I wish I had not, to think it goes on makes me so angry! I cry thinking of it to be honest. The sooner something is done the better - I believe this year the breeding legislation will be brought in. I think the punishment should be harder tho.

ISDW · 17-07-2011 8:28pm

liloldeme wrote: »

Sorry, I thought you were. No puppy should be considered cheap, different breeds will cost more, they are a living creature, part of the family as far as I am concerned as every pet should be. Sorry again - took you up wrong.

No worries, sometimes difficult to read things the way they are meant on the internet:)

DBB · 17-07-2011 11:00pm

Sunshine! wrote: »

If you break down the €270 to a daily rate of however many cents a day for the life expectancy, then it's a very small price to pay for a member of the family. Small dogs are cheap to feed as well, so your weekly outgoings shouldn't be too much unless you're breaking out the diamond collars or the like!

With all due respect, this completely misses the point. That this person is down €270 is hardly the end of the world, especially as they were so easily parted with it by a conman.
The point is, every penny that a person gives to these conman "breeders" is more money supporting their business (which I seriously doubt pay a cent of tax on), and supporting the wretched broodstock left behind to continue the cycle of misery.
Personally, I couldn't give a hoot that the OP, or any other person looking for a cheap deal, has lost their money. Serves them right, quite frankly. But I do care that they are funding such a horrendous trade. It's worse than buying hooky DVDs and "designer" clothes, because as has been pointed out, these are living creatures that are suffering because of human ignorance, stupidity and greed.

zookey · 17-07-2011 11:02pm

sheenaaziz wrote: »

This is not the first time I have heard of Teacup yorkies being sold in car parks recently. There has been a few reports of unsatisfied customers and the situations seem similar - I wonder if it was the same "breeder"

was it in the blanchardstown area, near aquatic center?

anniehoo · 17-07-2011 11:31pm

Sunshine! wrote: »

You win some you lose some, but although you're miffed at losing a bit of money do you not love the dog? If you break down the €270 to a daily rate of however many cents a day for the life expectancy, then it's a very small price to pay for a member of the family. Small dogs are cheap to feed as well, so your weekly outgoings shouldn't be too much unless you're breaking out the diamond collars or the like!

Im struggling to stay impartial in this thread. But seriously...."you win some,you lose some"??!!!!:eek: I say that about cheap cushions i buy in Penneys.

Sunshine, yes the OP probably isnt questioning his love for the dog.He's questioning the amount he paid for the supposed quality of the animal. Are you a car lover? Its probably the same as disguising a 2011 Mercedes and actually getting a 1989 Fiat...get it??? You might love the car...but its going to cost you a heap of problems,break down constantly and your vet mechanic is your new best friend. He's now learnt his lesson and there's not very much he can do.

Pets are not commodities...

zookey · 17-07-2011 11:35pm

i sold 3 brand new items today, all still in original packaging, and i can assure u my dear they were not stolen or neither did they fall off the back of a truck, lots of people sell brand new stuff they dont want for whatever reasons so dont be so quick to assume and judge people u dont even know and thats to you liloldme!!!

Cherry Blossom · 17-07-2011 11:46pm

zookey wrote: »

i sold 3 brand new items today, all still in original packaging, and i can assure u my dear they were not stolen or neither did they fall off the back of a truck,

So nothing at all like how you bought your mongrel pup then :rolleyes:

sheenaaziz · 18-07-2011 1:38am

DBB wrote: »

With all due respect, this completely misses the point. That this person is down €270 is hardly the end of the world, especially as they were so easily parted with it by a conman.
The point is, every penny that a person gives to these conman "breeders" is more money supporting their business (which I seriously doubt pay a cent of tax on), and supporting the wretched broodstock left behind to continue the cycle of misery.
Personally, I couldn't give a hoot that the OP, or any other person looking for a cheap deal, has lost their money. Serves them right, quite frankly. But I do care that they are funding such a horrendous trade. It's worse than buying hooky DVDs and "designer" clothes, because as has been pointed out, these are living creatures that are suffering because of human ignorance, stupidity and greed.

VERY WELL SAID.
Who buys a dog these days without doing real research?
TOO MANY PEOPLE.

Who buys a dog when 14000 homeless ones are put to sleep a year in Ireland?
TOO MANY PEOPLE.

I was wondering when somebody would point out that the money lost by the buyer is not even an issue I would have a scrap of sympathy for. It is the thousands of other dogs in 20 inch crates, with no food, water, light, walkies, forced to pee and poop on themselves, puppy making machines, that is where MY sympathy is.

The fact that laws were written up last summer to protect these dogs is STILL waiting to be signed into law is appauling. It is time Ireland started making some noise on the subject.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Puppy-Farm-Project-Ireland/240005579351309

sheenaaziz · 18-07-2011 1:45am

This attitude really upsets me. I understand you dont want to be vilified for a mistake but buying a puppy in a carpark is something every single animal welfare center out there will tell you never, ever to do. You dont know anything about where that pup came from, you were lied to about the breed, your money was taken, and the mother of that dog you own is still probably living a squalid awful life she was BEFORE, breedng from as young as 4 months, with no place to poop but on itself, no food, no love. This could be your dog. Just learn now and try to end it too nobody can do this alone, we all need to stand up and stop this. It is an Irish Epidemic. Telling someone else to "fix" it is a cop out -- people have been campaigning for change since 2006. We need more people.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Puppy-Farm-Project-Ireland/240005579351309

The Sweeper · 18-07-2011 2:00am

Zookey, in direct response to your own post:

zookey wrote:

i bought my pup with my money of 270, cheap as u may think the cost doesnt matter to me my pup was well worth it and more and she is very well cared for and loved and is very very happy...

Well apparently it was a problem when you wrote this:

zookey wrote:

the bottome line is i trusted her & seems i have been ripped off for 270e for a x breed dog!...

So did you get ripped off, or was it well worth it?

sheenaaziz · 18-07-2011 2:19am

The Sweeper wrote: »

Zookey, in direct response to your own post:

Well apparently it was a problem when you wrote this:

So did you get ripped off, or was it well worth it?

Worth it for the person who bought the dog? Or the person who sold the dog? Or for the thousands of dogs still being brutally abused and bred in this country for 270 euro a pop?

I dont think it is worth it no matter what the answer Zookey gives. Or anyone else ---- no matter how much you love the dog you got.

ohmfg · 18-07-2011 10:10am

We have a recently added a new family member, in the form of an ex breeding bitch CKC.
She is about 8 - 10 years old and has had untold litters.
She has no idea about the world, or freedom, or walks, or treats, or pets, or cuddles but oh my gosh, she wants to learn. She is without a doubt the kindest natured dog I have ever met.

She - and the myriad other prisoners - are the forgotten collateral damage in the dreadful trade that is puppy farming.

When I look at Daisy and see the years of abuse and ill treatment, I just can't find any way to have any sympathy for the OP or their ilk.

piperh · 18-07-2011 10:27am

Unfortunatly the message of not buying puppies from car parks ect is clearly not getting across to the general public.

I was at a country fair over the weekend and saw 4 seperate lots of puppies being sold within the fair, one lot were advertised as rottweiller pups for €200 and another litter were advertised as lurcher pups. There were people handing over money to these people who would be gone today with no way of being traced again. Even more upsetting was the crates of puppies outside in the car parks, puppies of all descriptions and ages were in these and people were making impulse buys because they felt sorry for them.

I was speaking to a friend who was doing agilty there and she said she'd spoken to the organisers and was told basically there was nothing they could do about it but surely they can as they have chosen to take either their pitch money or entrance fee into car park.

carwash_2006 · 18-07-2011 10:44am

I was under the impression that it is illegal to sell pups at fairs like this? Is this wrong?

Although, the local gardai may not be easily persuaded to care, so unless the ISPCA are actually there on the day there's still not a lot that can be done about it, but maybe the organisers weren't aware of it being illegal and might have felt able to do something if they were?

piperh · 18-07-2011 10:50am

carwash_2006 wrote: »

I was under the impression that it is illegal to sell pups at fairs like this? Is this wrong?

Although, the local gardai may not be easily persuaded to care, so unless the ISPCA are actually there on the day there's still not a lot that can be done about it, but maybe the organisers weren't aware of it being illegal and might have felt able to do something if they were?

Really not sure if illegal or not. There was a stand there from the local animal rescue and one lot of pups were almost opposite, not sure if they said anything to them but if they did it made little difference.

Ailishcrehan · 18-07-2011 12:09pm

was also at a country fair this weekend, think its the same one that piperh was at, as I was standing there with a local animal rescue group. On the Saturday, it was reported that there were pups being sold, the seller was approached and pups disappeared. On the Sunday the seller was back again with the same pups and he was confronted by the founder of the charity and was told the pups were 'grand'. Again, it was reported to marshalls but to the best of my knowledge, nothing was done about it. It is illegal to sell dogs and in a public place (trying to find the legislation, will post it when I find it)

carwash_2006 · 18-07-2011 12:25pm

In fairness to the charity, there is very little they could do other than approach the owner and appeal to their better selves. Even the ISPCA would not be able to do more, but they would generally be backed by the gardai.

Were the gardai at the event at all? But again without ISPCA and also warning, getting them to do much can be tricky.

keno-daytrader · 18-07-2011 12:31pm

zookey wrote: »

...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

You contributed 270 euros to enable the horrible and cruel treatment of dogs being farmed in Ireland.

Whats worse is now you refuse to admit that you have supported the abuse of animals, instead of admitting your mistake and perhaps educating people so In the future people wont donate money to these horrible excuse for humans.

Denial is a powerful thing isnt it?

Sassy58 · 18-07-2011 1:09pm

OP what I am curious about is what is the purpose of this thread - you posted to see if there had been other people similarly ripped off but then what? Is it that you want to contact the breeder (lightly used) and get your money back. Is it that you want to get rid (rehome etc) the dog cause it isn't the dog you thought you were buying (even thoe the breed doesn't actually exist)

After this length of time does it really matter what the dog is. Its a dog end of doesn't matter what breed etc its been part of your family for x time....is it really that important what the dog is.

I mean hey I adopted a husky X pup....picture of her on the internet looked like a husky x pup went down to visit her with our other dog and the minute we met her knew there was no way in hell there was ANY husky in her.......it is still an ongoing joke between the rescue and me nearly 7 years later... she never grew passed the size of a cat.....but we adopted her and she is one in a million dog....I will get a husky one day

My husband wanted a rottie, I didn't want to buy a rottie not knowing any good breeders and at the same time wasn't overly keen on getting an adult one as we have 2 other dogs and cats.....I got a rottie pup, she was a rescue one therefore we were taken on the unknown....she had a lot of health issues at the start between her eyes, ears, legs, hips etc.....has dodgie hips which is for life, is a bag of nerves etc etc etc but do you know what I couldn't give a damn she is our pet plain and simply and all her quirks just make us love her move (mind you don't say that at 4am when she is hogging the duvet), she fits in with the rest of the hooligans in the house....the point is at the end of the day they are dogs and is the breed all that important if it is a part of the family.

piperh · 18-07-2011 1:37pm

carwash_2006 wrote: »

In fairness to the charity, there is very little they could do other than approach the owner and appeal to their better selves. Even the ISPCA would not be able to do more, but they would generally be backed by the gardai.

Were the gardai at the event at all? But again without ISPCA and also warning, getting them to do much can be tricky.

Sorry didn't mean to imply that i expected the rescue to go marching in, i just meant that if they had said anything then the seller had taken no notice and really wasn't worried about the consequences. I saw a couple of gardai as i was leaving, didn't see any wandering around but thats not to say they weren't.

Ailishcrehan · 18-07-2011 2:57pm

There were guards there, but to be honest, there isn't much that they could have done - in my experience, they don't know the ins and outs of animal welfare legislation (the little that there is).

The charity that was at the fair, have no legal power and the issue of selling pups at a fair like this, was an issue for the ISPCA to be involved with - its a pity that ISPCA representatives/inspectors don't attend country fairs/game fairs as their presence is very much needed. In England, many of these 'fairs' are manned by SPCA inspectors so as to police the event.

sheenaaziz · 18-07-2011 3:08pm

ohmfg wrote: »

We have a recently added a new family member, in the form of an ex breeding bitch CKC.
She is about 8 - 10 years old and has had untold litters.
She has no idea about the world, or freedom, or walks, or treats, or pets, or cuddles but oh my gosh, she wants to learn. She is without a doubt the kindest natured dog I have ever met.

She - and the myriad other prisoners - are the forgotten collateral damage in the dreadful trade that is puppy farming.

When I look at Daisy and see the years of abuse and ill treatment, I just can't find any way to have any sympathy for the OP or their ilk.

I also have an ex puppy farm cavalier - no teeth, half an ear, no bladder control. I too have little sympathy or those who buy dogs without REALLY researching. It seems king charles cavs are one of the most puppy farmed dogs here.

blanchardstown yorkies not pure bred?

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