blanchardstown yorkies not pure bred?

zookey

is there anybody out there who bought a minature yorkie in the blanchardstown area last xmas 2010 by any chance??... trying to get in touch with anyone who bought one as i did & have been informed by a couple of professionals that its a x breed there was about 5 pups in that litter so i would be interested in hearing from anyone else who may have bought from the same seller..

ISDW

Did you get papers?

There is no such thing as a miniature yorkie, so I'm afraid that should tell you all you need to know.

zookey

no got no papers...vet, dog groomer & other yorkie owners reckon mine is crossed with a jack russell... she's lovely pet but i paid 270e for her as a full bred yorkie..

anniehoo

zookey wrote: »

she's lovely pet but i paid 270e for her as a full bred yorkie..

Are you having health problems with her Zookey? Have you tried ringing your "breeder" and asking for contact numbers of fellow owners?

andreac

No such thing as a miniature Yorkie, so that in itself would have alarm bells ringing for me when you went to see the pups.

Plus the fact that you got no papers with the pup either, why would you buy a pedigree without the papers? What was the breeders excuse for not having the pups registered?
Would that not have made you think twice when buying the dog?

Sorry, but im afraid its a case of buyer beware and not doing enough researc before buying this pup.
Have you tried ringing the breeder about it?

I can probably guess that this pup was bought from on online site like Donedeal, Gumtree etc.

andreac

zookey wrote: »

no got no papers...vet, dog groomer & other yorkie owners reckon mine is crossed with a jack russell... she's lovely pet but i paid 270e for her as a full bred yorkie..

You wouldnt get a full pedigree Yorkshire Terrier for €270. Unless you got pedigree papers with her, theres no way you can tell what the breeding is of your dog, and even with papers its not always guaranteed as some can be fake or not papers of the parents of the pups.

This is why its so important to research your breeder before buying a pup to make sure you are going to a reputable breeder.

Par72

Why does it matter? Do you love her less now that you think she's not purebred?

January

Par72 wrote: »

Why does it matter? Do you love her less now that you think she's not purebred?

Probably not, but I'd say he feels like he was "ripped off"

andreac

andreac wrote: »

No such thing as a miniature Yorkie

yes there is , it was made by Nestle .

Whispered

January wrote: »

Probably not, but I'd say he feels like he was "ripped off"

With all sympathy to the OP if they didn't want to be ripped off then they should have done what most people who are about to make a purchase does to avoid being ripped off. Research.

Even the tinest bit of research would have shown that dogs being sold without papers is never ever a good thing and that there is no such thing as a mini yorkie. I mean one google search.

It's a pity because this is the type of thing which fuels the puppy market in this country

ISDW

Deleted User wrote: »

yes there is , it was made by Nestle .

Ah, cos we're girls, we wouldn't know that:D

Sorry, OT.

portgirl123

OP, did u not go to the house to see mum and babies. if so can u not call around? Or did u pick pup up somewhere, petrol station, etc. if so doubt there is much you can do know

Knine

zookey wrote: »

no got no papers...vet, dog groomer & other yorkie owners reckon mine is crossed with a jack russell... she's lovely pet but i paid 270e for her as a full bred yorkie..

Even the price itself rings alarm bells. A pure bred Yorkie would cost considerably more unless of course its from backyard breeders who are only out to make money.

Often these "breeders" don't register litters so they can keep breeding litter after litter from the mother or can continue to use old bitches to produce puppies.

zookey

exactly!

ISDW

zookey wrote: »

exactly!

Sorry, exactly what?

zookey

the seller arranged to meet at a car park to see the pup she brought it along with the mother & father i paid deposit and the pup was collected at a later date at same car park as arranged by seller.. the bottome line is i trusted her & seems i have been ripped off for 270e for a x breed dog!...

ISDW

zookey wrote: »

the seller arranged to meet at a car park to see the pup she brought it along with the mother & father i paid deposit and the pup was collected at a later date at same car park as arranged by seller.. the bottome line is i trusted her & seems i have been ripped off for 270e for a x breed dog!...

OK, you didn't think there was anything wrong with meeting someone in a car park to buy a dog? How old was the pup when you first met it in the car park?

Can I ask why you didn't go to the seller's house to see the pup?

zookey

good idea anniehoo i just might do that ;-)

January

It's kind of your own fault that you were "ripped off"... do your research if you plan on buying any more dogs in future... some people would just do anything for a dog and not think that the pups mother could be being abused (puppy farm)... ALWAYS visit the persons home and check out the conditions before buying a dog...

portgirl123

zookey wrote: »

the seller arranged to meet at a car park to see the pup she brought it along with the mother & father i paid deposit and the pup was collected at a later date at same car park as arranged by seller.. the bottome line is i trusted her & seems i have been ripped off for 270e for a x breed dog!...

Whos idea to meet in carpark i wonder. The sellers by any chance?

zookey

i was under the impression i was going to the house to see the litter with parents as seller asked me to meet at car park i thought she was gonna lead me to house in her car but she appeared on foot with the pup wrapped in blanket and both parents on leads with daughter..the pup was 2, 3 weeks old then..

Raminahobbin

zookey wrote: »

i was under the impression i was going to the house to see the litter with parents as seller asked me to meet at car park i thought she was gonna lead me to house in her car but she appeared on foot with the pup wrapped in blanket and both parents on leads with daughter..the pup was 2, 3 weeks old then..

You bought a 2/3 week old pup????? :eek:
Were it's eyes even open? Are you sure it was that young???

andreac

Oh jesus:rolleyes: and then people wonder if they have been ripped off?? I really do wonder....:mad:

There is so much information out there available about buying puppies so i just cant understand how people can be so foolish and do something like this, then wonder if they have been ripped off...

Whispered

I think the OP saw the pup first the picked it up at a later date.

i paid deposit and the pup was collected at a later date at same car park as arranged by seller..

ISDW

zookey wrote: »

i was under the impression i was going to the house to see the litter with parents as seller asked me to meet at car park i thought she was gonna lead me to house in her car but she appeared on foot with the pup wrapped in blanket and both parents on leads with daughter..the pup was 2, 3 weeks old then..

I'm sorry OP, but the more I read the more angry I get. Did you not think there was something very, very wrong with pups that young being taken out into the world. They could have contracted any number of diseases and died. This also would have been in the winter, the pup must have been freezing. Did you not ask why you couldn't go to the house?

Why oh why did you buy a pup this way? With all of this happening and you still went back and bought the pup from them. How do you know that it was the same pup that you bought that you saw originally? You never actually saw the pups with the mother, what you saw was a pup in a blanket and two dogs on leads. Did the bitch even look like she was feeding a litter?

You meet someone in a car park with a new born pup wrapped in a blanket. You then go back a few weeks later to give them the money for the pup, meeting in the car park again. You think you're buying a breed that doesn't exist. Now you are wondering if you have been 'ripped off' and the pup isn't a pedigree. Bluntly, no you haven't been ripped off - you have been a fool. All the signs were there that this wasn't right, but you ignored them, probably because all you were thinking about was the price. Anyone who buys a dog in this circumstances is helping to fuel puppy farming and breeding dogs having long lives of misery.

The Sweeper

zookey wrote: »

is there anybody out there who bought a minature yorkie in the blanchardstown area last xmas 2010 by any chance??... trying to get in touch with anyone who bought one as i did & have been informed by a couple of professionals that its a x breed there was about 5 pups in that litter so i would be interested in hearing from anyone else who may have bought from the same seller..

Hey OP

The dog is a mongrel.
You were ripped off.
All of the things you describe are standard BYB / puppy farm scams.
You have no comeback and there's nothing you can do about it.

Learn your lesson, tell everybody you know who admires your dog that you got sucked in so they don't make the same mistake.

And don't do it again.

That's it really - I could berate you but honestly there's not much point - anything I could say is really just a long-hand version of the above.

I hope you enjoy your dog anyway - she could hopefully last 10-15 years.

zookey

i saw the pup at 2/3 weeks old.. collected it at 8 weeks old

DBB

The fact that they brought a 2-3 week old pup out in public is, in itself, gobsmacking.
I've heard of puppy-farmers doing some pretty outrageous stuff to secure a sale, but this is a new one on me. At this age the pup is still blind and deaf!
Your story of how you got your pup is a litany of one mistake after another, and you've given a gangster your money which has gone towards funding the misery of your pup's parents.
It's not as if there isn't loads and loads of advice online which list all the things you did as how not to select a pup! It's hard to have any sympathy for you: my sympathies lie entirely with your pup's parents and any other dogs your "breeder" is using for mass-production of pups.

jack presley

Anyone else want to give the OP a hard time? They made a mistake,they realise it now I'm sure. Is it really necessary for every poster to come on and point out what they did wrong? I'm sure it was obvious after the 3rd person said it

pokertalk

op it looks like a backyard breeder. you made a mistake we all make mistakes and im sure you will learn from the experience.there is a very good sticky at the top of this forum about puppy farming and backyard breeders. have a good read of it incase anyone you know is thinking of buying a pup so you can tell them the do s and donts of buying a dog.sometimes we leed with our hearts and not with our head;)
hope u and your pup have a great time together and remember always do your homework. the best tip i can give you is "if it looks dodgy is usually is"

portgirl123

op ur not the only one to make this mistake, a few yrs ago a neighbour decided to get her hubby a white boxer as this was what his fav dog was. She saved for a good few weeks untill she seen a add ion the internet. Now she actually went to the house, but your man said they were his brothers who he was selling them for. Now he produced this lovely fat white puppy, she did question that the body shape seemed wrong, she had never a boxer before, he just said as it was only 1 of a litter of 2, he said mammy had fed them more than usual. Anyways she handed over €250 came away with pup, no vax or anything.
anyways 4 yrs later she has a beautiful white maybe boxer cross. This dog is no way pb doubt if there is even boxer in him. She learnt by her mistake but as she says she would not part with him now and it was her own stupid fault as some thing was telling her it wasnt a boxer but she belived him.

Sigma Force

Bottom line op you won't get your money back, if you have no papers and no receipt it's unfortunetly it's a case of lesson learned/buyer beware and all that.
The price, the meeting in the car park for the first time would of been huge alarm bells. But it's done now just enjoy your pooch.

zookey

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert... i have a west highland without papers & he is a pre bred i have owned 2 boxers one without papers & they also were pure bred dogs, i dont think its necessary to have papers unless one intends to breed or show the dogs...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

ppink

zookey wrote: »

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert... i have a west highland without papers & he is a pre bred i have owned 2 boxers one without papers & they also were pure bred dogs, i dont think its necessary to have papers unless one intends to breed or show the dogs...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

Zookey you would be very surprised at what horrors exist in our little Emerald Isle. There ahve been lots of programmes done on tv about Ireland and its puppy farming.....while you are online now why dont you check out the ISPCA website and others and read for yourself.

Honey-ec

zookey wrote: »

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert

The mother should never have been separated from the rest of the litter while they were that young.

zookey wrote: »

i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

I'm genuinely not having a go here, but did you research any of your dog purchases? It would be almost impossible not to be aware of puppy farming/backyard breeding otherwise.

And no, papers aren't a necessity for a pet, but requesting them from the breeder will pretty much tell you straightaway if they're on the level and if people just refused to buy dogs without them it would make a big difference to the puppy mill industry.

liloldeme

zookey wrote: »

i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

I know a couple who had the same thing happen to them, they didn't know about "puppy farms" - not everyone will watch tv so not aware of it - I know I don't watch tv! Friends pup was advertised as IKC reg too - so papers do not mean everything.

I would understand people not wanting to bring strangers to their home too - if they are elderly or if they were away for a while and someone came to take the pups (happened to a neighbour of my friend - gone for 15 mins to the shop and dog (ikc reg & expensive breed) gone when they came home)

Be great if you had a number for them, or even the shop where you met - if its local enough the workers/owners of the shop may know them to see, they prob bring all their customers there!

If you love the dog and money doesn't matter great but i fully understand how annoyed you would be. Hope you get some results!

andreac

zookey wrote: »

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert... i have a west highland without papers & he is a pre bred i have owned 2 boxers one without papers & they also were pure bred dogs, i dont think its necessary to have papers unless one intends to breed or show the dogs...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

Of course they exist, havent you seen any of the programmes on the tv or any of the reports from the ISCPA on all the dogs that are rescued all the time from these horrible people??

You did contribute to them by purchasing that pup at the side of the road. Sorry, but you really need to realise exactly what goes on with regards to puppy farmers. This was a classic example of a puppy farmer or back yard dodgy breeder.

Just so you know, a good, reputable breeder will gladly welcome you into their home to see where they are raising their beautiful puppies and see how and where they are being raised. You sarnt a stranger but a potential forever home for one of their pups they bred in their home.

Anyone that does the above that you experienced are nothing but assholes and back yard breeders who dont deserve to own, let alone even breed dogs, its a disgrace:mad:

lrushe

zookey wrote: »

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert... i have a west highland without papers & he is a pre bred i have owned 2 boxers one without papers & they also were pure bred dogs, i dont think its necessary to have papers unless one intends to breed or show the dogs...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

Zookey, can I just tell you how I went about buying my last dog.
I researched her breed for about 4-5 years, took me about a year to find a breeder who I was comfortable with and who I felt was reputable, by the time the pups were born I wasn't a stranger to the breeder. When the litter was a week old I went to visit the breeder, I wasn't allowed handle the pups for fear of disturbing the mother or passing on an illness to the pups. I observed the litter with their mother a couple of feet back with a baby gate in between me and the whelping box in the breeder's kitchen. I did get to meet the mother again away from her pups when she was brought outside to go to the toilet. At 3 weeks old I went back to the breeder to provisional pick my pup but again I wasn't allowed to handle the pups, the breeder recommend which pups would suit me based on what we had discussed were my needs. At 5 weeks old I had my last visit to confirm which pup I wanted, only at this stage was I allowed to handle the pups. In between I was getting regular emails and pics about how my pup was getting on. Then finally at 9 weeks old my girl came to live with us I collected her, her papers, a copy of her 5 generation bloodline, her vacination card, her microchip card, a blanket with her mother's scent on it and a bag of food her breeder had been feeding her. To this day (my dog just turned 2) I can still contact her breeder should I need any advice or if I have any concerns.
Why am I telling you all this well I just want to contrast how you obtained your dog and how I obtained mine - mine would be a (condensed) example of a reputable breeder and yours would be an example of a puppy farmer / backyard breeder.
I'm not trying to rub your nose in your mistake but just trying to show you how wrong it was to obtain a pup the way you did. Hopefully you have learned your lesson and you can pass your experience onto others looking to get a pup.
Best of luck with your dog.

zoby

zookey wrote: »

i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

you have contributed .... 270 euros


:rolleyes:

DBB

Again, I find myself gobsmacked that anyone who has ever owned a dog before has not either seen TV or read the dozens of newspaper reports in the past 10 years about the scourge of puppy famring in Ireland... Or that they haven't seen posters in vet's waiting rooms, internet articles/discussion forums, even talked to other dog owners, and not somehow become aware of the extent of this problem in Ireland. I simply don't believe it!
I also have grown tired of the sympathy shown for people who fall for this trap: at the end of the day, it's all about greed. Greed on the part of the puppy farmer and BYBs, and greed on the part of the person who wants a cheap "purebred" dog and who's not prepared to wait a while for a genuine pup from a genuine breeder.
Ah yes, it's easy to forget when you have your cute (worm- and flea-ridden) fluffy bundle home from the car park that its mother is still sitting oxter-deep in her own crap and pee, churning out litter after litter, never to know the comfort of a nice home. And that your money has gone towards this misery. As long as people keep making this "mistake", the misery will never stop.
IKC papers are no guarantee of quality and neither do they pretend to be: as it stands, they simply tell you that the mother and father of your dog were of the same breed. The abuses IKC papers are open to are widespread, and just because a pup has papers is absolutely no indication that it's not puppy farmed.
The ONLY way to satisfy yourself that all is above board is to visit the puppy, see it with it's mother, and go back to collect it from the breeder when it's ready to go.
Anyone breeding dogs knows that part and parcel of selling pups is inviting new owners to meet the pups where they've been born and bred. So the explanation that some people don't want strangers coming into their house just doesn't wash. If you don't trust a person to come into your house, you certainly should not trust them with your pups.

sheenaaziz

zookey wrote: »

i can understand anyone not bringing a stranger to their house, i would do same thing, and yes the mother did have visible signs of being a new mother and constantly made contact with her new pup in the blanket, its eyes were open & it was quiet alert... i have a west highland without papers & he is a pre bred i have owned 2 boxers one without papers & they also were pure bred dogs, i dont think its necessary to have papers unless one intends to breed or show the dogs...i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

Responsible breeders usually want to know as much about the person their dog is going to, as well as a responsible buyer should want to know as much as possible about where the dog is coming from. Home visits by buyers are normal.

Puppy farms are Irelands darkest secret and we are number one operater of them in Europe.

It sounds to me like your whole experience sounds dodgy, learn from it and spread the word - Ireland is Europes number ONE puppy farmer.

Honey-ec

liloldeme wrote: »

I know a couple who had the same thing happen to them, they didn't know about "puppy farms" - not everyone will watch tv so not aware of it - I know I don't watch tv!

You have access to the internet, as do they presumably. The number one research tool in the world.

liloldeme wrote: »

I would understand people not wanting to bring strangers to their home too - if they are elderly or if they were away for a while and someone came to take the pups (happened to a neighbour of my friend - gone for 15 mins to the shop and dog (ikc reg & expensive breed) gone when they came home)

I don't really understand what you mean by this. Away on holidays? With a litter of puppies at home needing looking after? Did your friend go to the shops and leave a stranger alone in her house??? And I doubt there's very many elderly people breeding dogs for a living.

liloldeme

Honey-ec wrote: »

You have access to the internet, as do they presumably. The number one research tool in the world.

off the topic but unless a person knows of puppy farms how would a person come across it on the net? I know when I looked for my pets I googled about the breed, health issues, what is the best food to feed them etc,if a person doesn;t know about puppy farms its difficult for someone to find out.

[/QUOTE]I don't really understand what you mean by this. Away on holidays? With a litter of puppies at home needing looking after? Did your friend go to the shops and leave a stranger alone in her house??? And I doubt there's very many elderly people breeding dogs for a living.[/QUOTE]

For this - a friend of a friend had a very expensive breed of dog, the dog was never left alone except for one time - when all of the family were out, and the house was broken into and the dog taken. What I mean was someone maybe careful when bringing people to their home, if it was a more elderly couple or person breeding they may not want to bring the person to the house. My pup was purchased from an elderly woman who had her son there when I called. She told me she had people call asking her if she was the person breeding dogs, she had to stop as she no longer felt safe breeding.

you would know i'm not used of boards - my edit is all over the place - sorry!

Honey-ec

liloldeme wrote: »

off the topic but unless a person knows of puppy farms how would a person come across it on the net? I know when I looked for my pets I googled about the breed, health issues, what is the best food to feed them etc,if a person doesn;t know about puppy farms its difficult for someone to find out.

Because a huge number of pages on puppy ownership, etc. would have a section on puppy farmers/backyard breeders and how to avoid them.

I'm not saying you didn't come across this info, I'm just very surprised that it never once cropped up during your research.

liloldeme wrote: »

My pup was purchased from an elderly woman who had her son there when I called. She told me she had people call asking her if she was the person breeding dogs, she had to stop as she no longer felt safe breeding.

you would know i'm not used of boards - my edit is all over the place - sorry!

Well in fairness, it's just common sense to have someone else there when you're selling anything from home. If I was selling my car and someone was coming to view it, I'd make damn sure I wasn't home alone at the time.

My point is that legitimate breeders would never use the excuse of not wanting strangers in their house as a reason to meet in a car-park or somesuch. Having strangers in your house is part of the job description.

And don't worry, you'll get used to the editing function soon enough!

Cherry Blossom

zookey wrote: »

i have never heard of puppy farms in all my years of buying dogs & i'm pretty sure i have never contributed one either shocking they may be if they actually exist...

This is an incredibly naive statement to make. I owned a puppy farmed lab for 14 years. He was dumped on us by an extended family member who lived in Dublin 4 and neither he (nor his neighbours!) were able to cope with the psychological problems this pup had. The first night in our house he slept in the back hall. In the morning he had almost eaten through both the kitchen and bathroom door which were both solid wood, had pulled the skirting boards and plaster board off the bottom 4 ft of the wall all the way round and completely demolished it. The electrics and plumbing were all hanging out of the wall and the whole scene was covered in urine and extremely runny faeces. All of this without making a single sound! He lived for 14 years - for the last 11 of them he was basicly a cripple, he had every single genetic illness on the list for labradors (which is a pretty long one!).

This link gives the account of another lady's experience with 2 cavaliers that came from puppy farms, I dare you to reach the end of it with out shedding a tear.

http://www.tachnamadra.com/puppy_farming.htm
(You've no idea how long it took me to find that again, so someone better read it!)

If you are still under any illusions that puppy farms exist all you have to do is this:

http://www.google.ie/search?q=puppy+farm&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4R7&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=L-AiTuC-LoqahQeqy5DLAw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1173&bih=512

Around 70,000 dogs are exported from puppy farms in Ireland every year.

<ETA> Forgot to add - OP if you have not already done so I suggest you get pet insurance with excellent coverage for veterinary fees as soon as possible. As soon as problems start appearing it will be too late as they will then be considered pre-existing by insurance companies and they won't pay for anything associated with that condition.

carwash_2006

If one is going to go into dog breeding then you should be prepared to have people come to your house to see the pups, it is part and parcel of the operation. If somebody is not in a position to have this happen then maybe you shouldn't breed your dogs?

Of course if you are producing mongrels but passing them off as pure breeds and selling them off for next to nothing then you may be more at risk of having some people coming over that maybe you would rather not have in your house. If you are putting care and attention into how you do it, health testing the animals etc, then you will be charging more and will put a fair few people off due to that. Also, a really good breeder is likely to expect to have more than one phone conversation with a prospective owner as they will have a fair few questions they want answered before they consider selling them a pup.

boomerang

I read it and shared on facebook

sheenaaziz

This is not the first time I have heard of Teacup yorkies being sold in car parks recently. There has been a few reports of unsatisfied customers and the situations seem similar - I wonder if it was the same "breeder"

liloldeme

Honey-ec wrote: »

Because a huge number of pages on puppy ownership, etc. would have a section on puppy farmers/backyard breeders and how to avoid them.

I'm not saying you didn't come across this info, I'm just very surprised that it never once cropped up during your research.

Well in fairness, it's just common sense to have someone else there when you're selling anything from home. If I was selling my car and someone was coming to view it, I'd make damn sure I wasn't home alone at the time.

My point is that legitimate breeders would never use the excuse of not wanting strangers in their house as a reason to meet in a car-park or somesuch. Having strangers in your house is part of the job description.

And don't worry, you'll get used to the editing function soon enough!

I will be honest in saying my research didn't, it brought a lot of breed sites I could join and get in contact with other owners. I purchased my dog off a good breeder but it is in the last year or so I actually heard of puppy farms (no tv - no time!) and I know a people who didn't know until recently.

It is common sense to have someone there but for the OP who didn't know of farms maybe it didn't seem abnormal, like not bringing the person to their house for safety, I know I wouldn't purchase unless I went to the house but we can't assume everyone knows of puppy farms and guidelines of buying a pup. IF like me they researched the breed and nothing came up about farms they wouldn't know. I agree with part of the job description etc but not everyone knows. The lady I purchased my dog off did retire, she was old, living alone and it gave her something to do, but she didn't feel safe because of people calling to the house - even when she didn;t have a litter for sale. The sooner legislation is brought in the better!

ISDW

liloldeme wrote: »

I will be honest in saying my research didn't, it brought a lot of breed sites I could join and get in contact with other owners. I purchased my dog off a good breeder but it is in the last year or so I actually heard of puppy farms (no tv - no time!) and I know a people who didn't know until recently.

It is common sense to have someone there but for the OP who didn't know of farms maybe it didn't seem abnormal, like not bringing the person to their house for safety, I know I wouldn't purchase unless I went to the house but we can't assume everyone knows of puppy farms and guidelines of buying a pup. IF like me they researched the breed and nothing came up about farms they wouldn't know. I agree with part of the job description etc but not everyone knows. The lady I purchased my dog off did retire, she was old, living alone and it gave her something to do, but she didn't feel safe because of people calling to the house - even when she didn;t have a litter for sale. The sooner legislation is brought in the better!

Sorry, but if someone wants to buy a breed that doesn't exist, why on earth would they think that a reputable breeder would have any? And to buy a dog without any papers from a car park - think of it as something other than a puppy. You want to buy a new TV, you see one for sale on an internet site. You meet the seller in a car park, give them your money and you take the TV with no receipt or guarantee. You know exactly what you're buying, its a stolen TV, from a warehouse or a shop if its still in its box. But hey, the price is right, so any scruples are forgotten.

liloldeme

ISDW wrote: »

Sorry, but if someone wants to buy a breed that doesn't exist, why on earth would they think that a reputable breeder would have any? And to buy a dog without any papers from a car park - think of it as something other than a puppy. You want to buy a new TV, you see one for sale on an internet site. You meet the seller in a car park, give them your money and you take the TV with no receipt or guarantee. You know exactly what you're buying, its a stolen TV, from a warehouse or a shop if its still in its box. But hey, the price is right, so any scruples are forgotten.

Hey hold on! I didn't say it was right at any stage so please keep comments aimed at me to yourself. I simply made a comment that the op may not have known about the farms, I didn't know they were buying a breed that doesn't exist - yorkie is the title. I at no stage said it was right or agreed to purchasing a dog from a car park either. I don't know why people on here attack people for their comments!