Five held in €1m welfare fraud probe

beagle001 · 14-07-2011 05:48PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Yeah I agree , fingerprints would help big time.Not sure about photograph identity.If they can get birth certs they can likely get those as well.

There's no reason why social welfare cards shouldn't have a photo on them at minimum or at least link to a picture on file.

It's actually beyond belief that we do not finger print everyone who is claiming social welfare or any other benefits,at the very least your card should link to a photo of you straight away ffs even Cambodia has this technology at border entries and mist airports.
When you go for social welfare interview you should have a photo taken and each child benefit the child must go with the applicant at least on one occasion each year.
It's crazy when you think we are dealing with billions on this matter,but the usual people have not the balls to go and be controversial by implementing Amy of these strategies.

ejmaztec · 14-07-2011 05:49PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

The biggest frauds in Ireland were never on Social Welfare.

ilovesleep · 14-07-2011 05:53PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The biggest frauds in Ireland were never on Social Welfare.

Agree

With the way boards carry on at times you would swear the biggest frauds in the country are all on SW.

booboo88 · 14-07-2011 05:53PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

are you actually for real? some irish are the worst?????
people claiming while doing foxers:rolleyes:

booboo88 · 14-07-2011 05:54PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The biggest frauds in Ireland were never on Social Welfare.

Never a truer word said.

Wompa1 · 14-07-2011 05:56PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

The biggest frauds in Ireland were never on Social Welfare.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh No you didn't! It is racist but Nigerians in particular have a global reputation even within Africa as being untrustworthy. And of course there are many decent people but I am a bit narrow minded and can admit it. When I worked in a shop I would be untrusting Romanians and Travellers...Nigerians would just try to scam you other ways in the shop, not by straight out stealing...

In South Africa I believe Nigerians run the big crime gangs there.

MagicSean · 14-07-2011 06:04PM

beagle001 wrote: »

It's actually beyond belief that we do not finger print everyone who is claiming social welfare or any other benefits,at the very least your card should link to a photo of you straight away ffs even Cambodia has this technology at border entries and mist airports.
When you go for social welfare interview you should have a photo taken and each child benefit the child must go with the applicant at least on one occasion each year.
It's crazy when you think we are dealing with billions on this matter,but the usual people have not the balls to go and be controversial by implementing Amy of these strategies.

In a number of states in the U.S. you have to provide DNA evidence of parenthood in order to claim child support.

Aggers · 14-07-2011 06:11PM

I know in 2 of the areas listed it was travellers and not Nigerians, dont know about the other areas.

And the reason SW cards dont have photo id on them is because of the civil liberties people, this has held it up for years. Although they are now passed this and a card with a photo should be rolled out early next year. They will also be recording your voice to store on the computer system apparently.

ShadowHearth · 14-07-2011 06:12PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

Bull****. I am foreigner, I newer took a penny from government in 6 years, pay taxes like everyOne else.

I know a bunch or Irish and foreigners who are taking system for a ride. It is disgusting and I freaking hate it. Irish are no better then foreigners when it comes to milking social warfare.

Wasn't there something on rte about social warfare fraud lately?

beagle001 · 14-07-2011 06:14PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

ejmaztec wrote: »

The biggest frauds in Ireland were never on Social Welfare.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh No you didn't! It is racist but Nigerians in particular have a global reputation even within Africa as being untrustworthy. And of course there are many decent people but I am a bit narrow minded and can admit it. When I worked in a shop I would be untrusting Romanians and Travellers...Nigerians would just try to scam you other ways in the shop, not by straight out stealing...

In South Africa I believe Nigerians run the big crime gangs there.

Very true it's not just south Africa but all of African crime is spear headed by Nigerians and massively on the increase in Europe now the foot soldiers have made it here to sow the seeds for the gangs.
I have to say any negative encounters I have had were with Nigerians or Ghanains,in a previous post I was working with a uni in the Uk dealing with foreign doctors who were required to pass an English language examination before being permitted to practice medicine in the Uk or other fields.
We had strict guidelines and if you turned up without a passport you could not sit the test and must wait 3 mths for a resit.
They all knew the protocol but time after time Nigerians would turn up without a passport and scream at us to be seated,these were doctors etc but they thought by shouting abuse or producing copied documents we would let them sit the exam.
I had to call the police on many occasions as our security staff could not handle them and low and behold we were called racist etc but actually the rule was direct from the Home Office.
When the police followed up with us it turned out the people in over 60% of cases were impostering another person to sit the exam,had a fake passport or were in fact not even permitted to be practicing medicine,countless cases and vast majority Nigerians.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 14-07-2011 06:14PM

Not sure who's wrong but radio 1 reported earlier it was settled travellers,go to listen pop up and select welfare fraud story-

http://www.rte.ie/news/news1pm/

IRISH VEGAS · 14-07-2011 06:14PM

booboo88 wrote: »

are you actually for real? some irish are the worst?????
people claiming while doing foxers:rolleyes:

Up the foxer

ejmaztec · 14-07-2011 06:19PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh No you didn't! It is racist but Nigerians in particular have a global reputation even within Africa as being untrustworthy. And of course there are many decent people but I am a bit narrow minded and can admit it. When I worked in a shop I would be untrusting Romanians and Travellers...Nigerians would just try to scam you other ways in the shop, not by straight out stealing...

In South Africa I believe Nigerians run the big crime gangs there.

I think most of the African countries learned the art of corruption from their old colonial masters, who used to throw stuff at the big knobs just to keep them on their side.

One guy who was in Nigeria in the 70s was recruited to set up a business, and a lot of specialised machinery had to be shipped into Nigeria to get the venture started. He said that each time he went to the docks after a shipment, he had to pay bribes to several minor officials or the equipment would have disappeared.

He eventually got the factory started, and couldn't get back to the UK quick enough.

joseph brand · 14-07-2011 06:20PM

dvpower wrote: »

Irish people would NEVER do this. :rolleyes:

I was thinking of Travellers.

Is it true, btw, that travellers can claim SW in multiple places, between Ireland and the UK? Or is this just bullcrap?

tweedledee · 14-07-2011 06:29PM

i'm glad the Gov seems to be doing something about SW fraud,but really this is peanuts compared to the banking and construction frauds that were/are going on for more than 15 years.
The Gov are more worried about cents than chasing the billions of yoyos that bankers and shady business owe the state.
This Dole fraud is all about smoke and mirrors to distract the public away from the really big frauds going on,typical Irish Gov bull.
Regarding the dole why they dont use biometric scanners baffles me.They are very cheap to operate now.

Chinasea · 14-07-2011 06:36PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

Yea right - whip up the pack there and throw in a misspelt bogus made-up bit of Garda warble to trot out totally unsubstantiated hysterical rubbish

marcsignal · 14-07-2011 06:38PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm a civil liberties type but I would support finger printing for everyone collecting a welfare payment and not in the SW offices in the Post Office where everyone should collect their payments weekly.

This would include all payments (childrens allowance as well) which should be collected weekly too - if you're not there every week then you're considered absent from the state and cut off.

Don't like it? GTFO then.

I agree, but the problem then is, that because of the amount of cash they will be holding on the premises, the Post Offices are targeted by crime gangs to raid, because there are more of them, and they are far less secure than a bank. Easy pickings in most cases.

One solution might be for the post office to issue claimants a cheque, which must then be cashed in a bank. A lot of hassle you might say, but hey, people on the dole will generally have more time on their hands than most.

Liam Byrne · 14-07-2011 06:39PM

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Brothers with the same name?

Don't you know that nowadays that's handy for calling them for dinner ?

When these types of people want to call the kids individually she'll use their fathers' surnames.

Tehachapi · 14-07-2011 06:41PM

dvpower wrote: »

Irish people would NEVER do this. :rolleyes:

Incidentally it was Nigerians, heh. Irish people have a lot more to lose by participating in this kind of fraud, so naturally it usually tends to be foreigners. If they are caught and cut off completely, they can just get a flight home and resume the life they left behind. We don't have that option.

Sonnenblumen · 14-07-2011 07:11PM

Naikon wrote: »

You can't really fire civil service workers:P

"Can't really" is that civil service speak for NO? In fact, civil servants can be fired. Doesn't happen too often and nowhere near as often as it should.

Nodin · 14-07-2011 07:23PM

Im Only 71Kg wrote: »

€5'r say's they're foreign naitonals!

You us a fiver.

beagle001 wrote:

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

As it was settled travellers it looks like he told you bollocks.

I lovesleep wrote:

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud.

Really.....

tehachapi wrote:

Incidentally it was Nigerians, heh.

Incidentally, if you listen to the news clip below, no it wasn't.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0714/welfare.html#audio

Callan57 · 14-07-2011 07:28PM

Wonder how much the court cases & the appeals, the appeals of the appeals & the appeals of the appeals of the appeals will cost? And of course all on free legal aid!

Nodin · 14-07-2011 07:31PM

Callan57 wrote: »

Wonder how much the court cases & the appeals, the appeals of the appeals & the appeals of the appeals of the appeals will cost? And of course all on free legal aid!

?

Logical Fallacy · 14-07-2011 07:31PM

beagle001 wrote: »

I agree,reclaim all their assets and ban them and all their dependants from ever claiming welfare of any sorts.

Why their dependants? That's like banning you from driver due to your parents infractions on the road.

I'd happily ban the culprits themselves but this "sins of the father" shtick is a bit silly.

mackg · 14-07-2011 07:51PM

Irish people wouldn't do this? lol. The amount of Irish people that worked and claimed the dole when they were making huge money on sites during the good times was ridiculous. People who are abusing the system will ,in most cases, abuse it for all they can. The Zohan was bang on about the Paddy taking enough to get by being racist bull**** and I'm not the kind of person to go throwing the term racism around.

It has also been rightly said that the government should be going after the big fish and I hope they do. Hopefully all this will lead to our country growing up so to speak and changing for the better.

positron · 14-07-2011 07:57PM

On the topic of fingerprints - every Non-European foreign national coming into Ireland has to register with Garda/Immigration and get what they call a GNIB card. And during this process, they record BOTH thump impression of the individual. So it's not like they don't have the technology - they do, and they already have the fingerprints too - at least for foreign nationals.

amacachi · 14-07-2011 07:59PM

I certainly don't know of any Irish people who claim both here and in NI/England. No sirrreeee, definitely wouldn't know anyone doing that.

Nodin · 14-07-2011 08:05PM

amacachi wrote: »

I certainly don't know of any Irish people who claim both here and in NI/England. No sirrreeee, definitely wouldn't know anyone doing that.

Saints and scholars, thats us.

Toby Take a Bow · 14-07-2011 08:11PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Romanians

You mean Roma, right? Not in general people from Romania?

ilovesleep wrote: »

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

This is absolutely unbelievable ignorance with a shocking amount of naivety thrown in. So, there was no significant welfare fraud before immigration?

Crazy Horse 6 · 14-07-2011 08:35PM

Naikon wrote: »

Tip of the iceberg imo.

It is a huge problem unfortunately.

Five held in €1m welfare fraud probe

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