Five held in €1m welfare fraud probe

Paddy Samurai · 14-07-2011 05:03PM #1

I know we all talk about this on boards from time to time(like every day:D), but it's only when you see a story like this that you realise what this type of fraud is costing us all.

Five people have been arrested in Dublin as part of an investigation into social welfare fraud.
Gardaí and inspectors from the Department of Social Protection estimate that over €1m has been fraudulently claimed over the past few years...................One individual is believed to have claimed up to €100,000 in his own name and with a false identity and for eight children, even though he only has two.

Don't know how he did the eight kids,obviously he had eight real birth certs?.Brothers with the same name?.

Mods please delete if already up.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0714/welfare.html

Im Only 71Kg · 14-07-2011 05:08PM

€5'r say's they're foreign naitonals!

MagicSean · 14-07-2011 05:10PM

The crazy thing is it will probably cost more to put them through the courts and imprison them than to just cut them off completely and blacklist them.

beagle001 · 14-07-2011 05:11PM

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

Naikon · 14-07-2011 05:12PM

Tip of the iceberg imo.

beagle001 · 14-07-2011 05:12PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

The crazy thing is it will probably cost more to put them through the courts and imprison them than to just cut them off completely and blacklist them.

I agree,reclaim all their assets and ban them and all their dependants from ever claiming welfare of any sorts.

RachaelVO · 14-07-2011 05:13PM

Remember the scene from Into the West? A family was making a claim for childrens allowance, the officer actually physically counted them. He was counting kids from all over the neighbourhood!

How they can get away with that in this day and age is a wonder, someone in the SW office should be loosing their jobs!

Paddy Samurai · 14-07-2011 05:15PM

beagle001 wrote: »

I agree,reclaim all their assets and ban them and all their dependants from ever claiming welfare of any sorts.

Sounds good to me on the guilty parties.

Have we the laws to do that?.

MagicSean · 14-07-2011 05:15PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Remember the scene from Into the West? A family was making a claim for childrens allowance, the officer actually physically counted them. He was counting kids from all over the neighbourhood!

How they can get away with that in this day and age is a wonder, someone in the SW office should be loosing their jobs!

Because we don't have a national identity system or fingerprint/photograph identity check for welfare recipients.

Naikon · 14-07-2011 05:16PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

someone in the SW office should be loosing their jobs!

You can't really fire civil service workers:P

Morlar · 14-07-2011 05:17PM

One upside of the recession is that issues like this may finally be addressed.

Paddy Samurai · 14-07-2011 05:18PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Because we don't have a national identity system or fingerprint/photograph identity check for welfare recipients.

Yeah I agree , fingerprints would help big time.Not sure about photograph identity.If they can get birth certs they can likely get those as well.

goat2 · 14-07-2011 05:21PM

thank the lord, they are going after those who came here to sponge, i can never see the cash being paid back, i bet these people were housed, had medical cards, free heating, free schooling, and had fine holidays abroad

dvpower · 14-07-2011 05:21PM

Im Only 71Kg wrote: »

€5'r say's they're foreign naitonals!

Irish people would NEVER do this. :rolleyes:

IRISH VEGAS · 14-07-2011 05:22PM

beagle001 wrote: »

I agree,reclaim all their assets and ban them and all their dependants from ever claiming welfare of any sorts.

Bring back proper punishment for breaking the law, Westeran world has become weak in upholing the law, that guy should be publicly whipped and shown on TV see how many will try to attempt Fraud then

ejmaztec · 14-07-2011 05:24PM

Naikon wrote: »

Tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg imo.

fyp:(

mikom · 14-07-2011 05:24PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

Got caught when they hesitated to give their bank account details to complete the transaction, I'll bet.

Chuck Stone · 14-07-2011 05:25PM

I'm a civil liberties type but I would support finger printing for everyone collecting a welfare payment and not in the SW offices in the Post Office where everyone should collect their payments weekly.

This would include all payments (childrens allowance as well) which should be collected weekly too - if you're not there every week then you're considered absent from the state and cut off.

Don't like it? GTFO then.

Stinicker · 14-07-2011 05:25PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

If so they should be put on the next plane straight out of the country, deported and banned from ever setting foot in the EU ever again.

dvpower · 14-07-2011 05:26PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

How they can get away with that in this day and age is a wonder, someone in the SW office should be loosing their jobs!

Someone in the SW office was instrumental in detecting the fraud - shouldn't they be rewarded, not sacked?

RTE.ie wrote:

This morning's raids are part of a joint Garda and Department of Social Protection investigation into a family ...

orourkeda · 14-07-2011 05:30PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

Surprise surprise

Wompa1 · 14-07-2011 05:33PM

Going on the figures released earlier in the week it sounds like this is not an exceptional case and is likely to be pretty wide spread.

IRISH VEGAS · 14-07-2011 05:33PM

turn him into a Auction sale SLAVE, id buy the kids in all

IRISH VEGAS · 14-07-2011 05:36PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Going on the figures released earlier in the week it sounds like this is not an exceptional case and is likely to be pretty wide spread.

yes they will have to study the figures its been going on now for years:P

Nolanger · 14-07-2011 05:38PM

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

The crazy thing is it will probably cost more to put them through the courts and imprison them than to just cut them off completely and blacklist them.

They 'll end up paying back €5 per week from their JA!

danbohan · 14-07-2011 05:38PM

Im Only 71Kg wrote: »

€5'r say's they're foreign naitonals!

another £20 says they are not bankers /untouchables .

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-07-2011 05:40PM

Sitec wrote: »

How much would the person with 8 children be getting a week?

The childrens allowance would be €1332 a month dont know about the weekly payments

MagicSean · 14-07-2011 05:42PM

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Yeah I agree , fingerprints would help big time.Not sure about photograph identity.If they can get birth certs they can likely get those as well.

There's no reason why social welfare cards shouldn't have a photo on them at minimum or at least link to a picture on file.

Show Time · 14-07-2011 05:44PM

goat2 wrote: »

thank the lord, they are going after those who came here to sponge, i can never see the cash being paid back, i bet these people were housed, had medical cards, free heating, free schooling, and had fine holidays abroad

And don't forget all the money that they would have sent home is bound to have built a nice new house or two.

ilovesleep · 14-07-2011 05:45PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Nigerian nationals is what a member of an Garda Siochaina told me,they got busted apparently applying for so many back to school allowances and welfare sniffed a fraud hence they were caught.

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

TheZohanS · 14-07-2011 05:47PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Say what you will but in my opinion the irish wouldn't do that kind of fraud. If paddy is doing any fraud it would perhaps be a couple of hours work if available to top up his SW payment until a full time position becomes available.

Bullshìt. Racist bullshìt.

Additionally; fraud is fraud.

Five held in €1m welfare fraud probe

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