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Topgifts.ie gone into liquidation

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Anawil


    i finally got a reply from Top Gift after sending them several emails over several days, Unfortunately as i paid by laser i can't get a charge back. Does anybody know the name of their parent company??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭maxer68


    Anawil wrote: »
    i finally got a reply from Top Gift after sending them several emails over several days, Unfortunately as i paid by laser i can't get a charge back. Does anybody know the name of their parent company??
    they've gone bust - the company no longer exists as a trading entity. The only person that can talk on their behalf is the liquidator. And as there was very little of value in the company, unsecured creditors such as voucher holders who paid cash, cheque or laser are out of pocket and there is nothing that you can do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭RangeR


    200 balloons on a hawkwalk for a 60th birthday..WHO HAS MY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

    <SNIP> Ah come on... no allegations please

    dudara


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 arsefacefrmhel


    i feel like i`ve been robbed..might try that excuse with the bank..the old T.S. method..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭bumpydog


    redman wrote: »
    Cant believe this, just found out after getting email from the liquidator!

    My wife bought me a voucher for my 40th back in Nov 2009 by credit card, the voucher was to 9 March 2011. I got lots of cancelled dates and they confirmed by email this would be extended to June to cover the latest offered dates. It was for a CourseB Rally Session in Waterford.

    Any hope?

    Redman

    I would guess that the CC company should be happy with the extension confirmation. We certainly have had customers obtain refunds on vouchers that have gone beyond the stated expiry date.

    It's also worth adding that (as per TopGifts T&C's) "Once a booking has been made with an experience supplier, the voucher holder is bound by the terms and conditions of that supplier". Our Terms and Conditions (Irish Balloon Flights) clearly state that vouchers holders who have been cancelled three times during the validity period of their vouchers have their vouchers extended free-of-charge.

    Malcolm

    P.S Looking forward to the first Committee of Inspection meeting with the Liquidator tomorrow!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭redman


    bumpydog wrote: »
    I would guess that the CC company should be happy with the extension confirmation. We certainly have had customers obtain refunds on vouchers that have gone beyond the stated expiry date.

    It's also worth adding that (as per TopGifts T&C's) "Once a booking has been made with an experience supplier, the voucher holder is bound by the terms and conditions of that supplier". Our Terms and Conditions (Irish Balloon Flights) clearly state that vouchers holders who have been cancelled three times during the validity period of their vouchers have their vouchers extended free-of-charge.

    Malcolm

    P.S Looking forward to the first Committee of Inspection meeting with the Liquidator tomorrow!

    Thanks, yes they were okay with the extension past the validity date of the voucher itself , but there is apparent limit from the date of purchase to 540 days to be valid in Visa's T's&C's for a refund.

    "Unfortunately we are unable to dispute this transaction on your behalf under Visa rules and regulations Permanent tsb have up to 120 calendar days form the date the cardholder expected to receive the service but this frame must not exceeed 540 calendar days from the processing date of the transaction." aggggghrrrrrrrrrrr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Lmk_Lass


    I'm just after finding out about TopGifts liquidation.

    I had a voucher for a flight lesson with them.

    Just wondering how you are all getting on? Did any of you get any joy/money/word from them?

    I realise I am late in catching on. Followed the thread and wrote and e-mailed the EML crowd and also wrote to my bank. I think I paid for it by debit card....
    Like the rest of you was told put on waiting lists for dates and then fobbed off. As it turned out the voucher expired in May but they said no hassle.
    Turns out no hassle at all to them by the sounds of it. Grrr.
    Advise or update from anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭maxer68


    Lmk_Lass wrote: »
    I'm just after finding out about TopGifts liquidation.

    I had a voucher for a flight lesson with them.

    Just wondering how you are all getting on? Did any of you get any joy/money/word from them?

    I realise I am late in catching on. Followed the thread and wrote and e-mailed the EML crowd and also wrote to my bank. I think I paid for it by debit card....
    Like the rest of you was told put on waiting lists for dates and then fobbed off. As it turned out the voucher expired in May but they said no hassle.
    Turns out no hassle at all to them by the sounds of it. Grrr.
    Advise or update from anyone?

    as said above - if you paid by laser, the money is gone. there is absolutely nothing whatsoever you can do.
    If you paid by Visa Debit card or any credit card you need to apply to your issuing bank for refund.

    Otherwise, just put it down as a loss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Lmk_Lass




    I got an e-mail reply from EML associates this morning.

    ''If the purchase was made by credit card, and you wish to register a claim, please supply details of credit card holder, the amount claimed along with the relevant voucher number(s). If we receive the relevant details we can supply a letter confirming your claim.

    If the purchase was not made by credit card, we will note your details on file.''

    Grrrr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Lmk_Lass


    I have just found out that I paid by Credit Card. I am starting the ChargeBack with my bank. Any ideas how long this takes? Any idea if there is still money in the kitty to still pay back? When did people last get money back?

    Still hopeful........


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Lmk_Lass


    I have just found out that I paid by Credit Card. I am starting the ChargeBack with my bank. Any ideas how long this takes? Any idea if there is still money in the kitty to still pay back? When did people last get money back?

    Still hopeful........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭maxer68


    Lmk_Lass wrote: »
    I have just found out that I paid by Credit Card. I am starting the ChargeBack with my bank. Any ideas how long this takes? Any idea if there is still money in the kitty to still pay back? When did people last get money back?

    Still hopeful........

    When you pay by credit card a retailer gets charged 1% - 2.5%. A small amount of this is insurance issued by visa / mastercard. This is what you will be claiming from, not Topgifts or the liquidator, so unless visa goes bust (no chance), you'll have your money back in a couple of weeks.

    Nice way to start the weekend!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    My daughter bought me a 60min flying lesson from family hampers gone since 2010 bought by park plc the voucher from top gifts with a letter to reg, did this 2011 and was told by top gifts I would be contacted up to last week belive it or not I did not know of this dibacle. My voucher cost e250 and is valid to 31 jan 2012, when I went to find out I was given the run around treatment by all. told by the liquidator no money put you on file well I have them on file and I have seen that the contact name and address of one director as well as postal address plus fax no is operating another company NATURALLY IRISH GIFTS LTD What the hell is going here what is the director of corporate affairs doing about this. If it was up to me I would but a warrent out for their arrest and confiscate their assets. of which they still have with this other company????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    maxer68 wrote: »
    Unfortunately as Naturally Irish is a seperate company, though related, nothing can be done unless it can be proven that it operated in tandem with Top Gifts - a liquidator will check this out fairly quickly.
    NATURALLY IRISH SAME ADDRESS SAME FAX NO ON LETTER FROM TOP GIFTS SAME DIRECTORS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    MissRetro wrote: »
    I found on another forum that naturallyirish.ie are under the same management as TopGifts.ie. I tried ringing NaturallyIrish on 045837783(phone number difficult to find as they have taken it down from there website), got through, asked if I was through to NaturallyIrish, answer "Yes", asked what there plans for reimbursing the TopGifts customers were, "I cannot comment on that", asked if I could be put through to a manager who could comment on that, the girl then feebly tried to say that she didn't work for NaturallyIrish, I then asked why she would be answering phones for a company that she did not work for, she went blank while quick typing noises went on in the backround, I was then put on hold for 10 minutes and eventually hung up on :mad: Rang back again, same conversation, although sounding a little more pre-coached on her part this time. I finally left the conversation before losing my cool head with warnings that I would be taking this further.
    SAME ADDRESS. SAME FAX NO. SAME DIRECTORS. NEED I GO ON HOW FAR ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    maxer68 wrote: »
    From a legal point of view, once a company has gone into liquidaton, the former directors are prohibited from any dealings regarding the company and their positions have effectively been taken over by the liquidator.

    And as Dudara says, any approach to them by anyone can be construed as harrassment and they can have you arrested.

    On the plus side, you do need to make known to the liquidator all your issues and you can make representations to him which he must answer and include in his reports to the ODCE.

    It may take 18-24 months, but you should certainly be looking for a restriction on the directors, possibly even a case for a ban.
    The liquidator e mailed me to say no money left would put me on file, if the directors of top gifts have no assets or the company has no money left to pay back creditors why are they allowed to trade in the same address,same fax no as I have on my letter from top gifts, as well as the contact name of one of its directors company NATURALLY IRISH GIFTS LTD ??? LAWS WHAT LAWS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭maxer68


    clsta wrote: »
    The liquidator e mailed me to say no money left would put me on file, if the directors of top gifts have no assets or the company has no money left to pay back creditors why are they allowed to trade in the same address,same fax no as I have on my letter from top gifts, as well as the contact name of one of its directors company NATURALLY IRISH GIFTS LTD ??? LAWS WHAT LAWS

    clsta - you don't have much knowledge of company law, (not expected to either) so be careful what / how you say things.
    Most companies are Limited Lability companies - this includes the smallest and the Largest companies in Ireland.
    Limited Liability means the directors liability is limited to the shareholders funds UNLESS reckless / fraudulent trading is PROVEN.

    Unless a director has been restricted or banned - they can operate any other company they wish. Mistakes are made and many of today most successful companies have been built up after another compay went bust - including Dell Computers! If the mistakes / losses are made due to normal trading or overly optimistic forecasts, then there's nothing wrong - analysts gets things wrong, forecasters get things wrong, we all get things wrong.
    If however there wa s aconcerted plan to knowlingly take money out of the company in the knowledge that the company could not pay other commitments, then there is a case for fraud and it has to eb investigated - a thorough investigation can take 18 months. - Any faster and mitakes are made and people walk away.

    You may be unhappy about the loss of the voucher, but getting worked up about it won't bring it back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭redman


    maxer68 wrote: »
    clsta - you don't have much knowledge of company law, (not expected to either) so be careful what / how you say things.
    Most companies are Limited Lability companies - this includes the smallest and the Largest companies in Ireland.
    Limited Liability means the directors liability is limited to the shareholders funds UNLESS reckless / fraudulent trading is PROVEN.

    Unless a director has been restricted or banned - they can operate any other company they wish. Mistakes are made and many of today most successful companies have been built up after another compay went bust - including Dell Computers! If the mistakes / losses are made due to normal trading or overly optimistic forecasts, then there's nothing wrong - analysts gets things wrong, forecasters get things wrong, we all get things wrong.
    If however there wa s aconcerted plan to knowlingly take money out of the company in the knowledge that the company could not pay other commitments, then there is a case for fraud and it has to eb investigated - a thorough investigation can take 18 months. - Any faster and mitakes are made and people walk away.

    You may be unhappy about the loss of the voucher, but getting worked up about it won't bring it back.

    Well written

    However I can confirm in my case that I was actively encouraged and put off on a number of occassions by the staff of Top Gifts in using my voucher, due to reasons that were incorrectly being blamed on the Rally firm.
    :mad:
    This not only cost me €350 but also any chance of a refund from the Credit Card Company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭shayleon


    Many of my clients also told me that TG told them that I was busy and couldn't accept them, even though I was not. I also chased them for months and even asked them whether they are going out of business, which they denied. They lied to many people many times.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    MissRetro wrote: »
    I am just waiting for the CRO office to re-open(14.30). They should be able to tell me for definite if TopGifts is a stand alone company or a subsidiary, although I am thinking after that odd telephone conversation that it is a subsidiary.

    "If the business that has gone into liquidation were a subsidiary of a larger company, it may be possible to claim directly from the parent company"- quoted from consumerconnect.ie.
    what is the latest update about top gifts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    maxer68 wrote: »
    clsta - you don't have much knowledge of company law, (not expected to either) so be careful what / how you say things.
    Most companies are Limited Lability companies - this includes the smallest and the Largest companies in Ireland.
    Limited Liability means the directors liability is limited to the shareholders funds UNLESS reckless / fraudulent trading is PROVEN.

    Unless a director has been restricted or banned - they can operate any other company they wish. Mistakes are made and many of today most successful companies have been built up after another compay went bust - including Dell Computers! If the mistakes / losses are made due to normal trading or overly optimistic forecasts, then there's nothing wrong - analysts gets things wrong, forecasters get things wrong, we all get things wrong.
    If however there wa s aconcerted plan to knowlingly take money out of the company in the knowledge that the company could not pay other commitments, then there is a case for fraud and it has to eb investigated - a thorough investigation can take 18 months. - Any faster and mitakes are made and people walk away.

    You may be unhappy about the loss of the voucher, but getting worked up about it won't bring it back.
    yes you are correct I dont no anything about company laws, but I do know that I am owed e250 by this company so why should I be careful as I have every right to retrive my money without laws and excuses put in my way. And if you dont mind me saying so who broke the law here not me.and I also have the right to get as angry and as worked up as I want, maybe I wont get it back but justice needs to be served, if I took e250 out of your wallet and walked away and I told you [dont get worked up about it you wont be getting it back????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭whippet


    clsta wrote: »
    I am owed e250 by this company

    this is the key here, you are owed money by the company, who now no longer exist. A liquidation takes place and the company ceases to exist.
    clsta wrote: »
    I have every right to retrive my money without laws and excuses put in my way.

    Actually you don't have the right to anything with out legal resource. The Law is there for a reason and as a citizen of this country you must abide by these laws.
    clsta wrote: »
    And if you dont mind me saying so who broke the law here not me.

    If you feel a law was broken and can actually prove it, that would be a different matter. Accusing someone on a public forum of breaking a law without any real evidence based in company law couldn't be condoned on any website.
    clsta wrote: »
    and I also have the right to get as angry and as worked up as I want, maybe I wont get it back but justice needs to be served,

    You do have the right to be angry, but unless you can prove that there was fraudulent trading going on I don't think you will see the "justice" that you desire.
    clsta wrote: »
    if I took e250 out of your wallet and walked away and I told you [dont get worked up about it you wont be getting it back????

    A business transaction can't be compared to a mugging.

    While I sympathize with your situation, the reality is that this is a common occurrence in these economic times.

    The small company I work for has lost the guts of €300,000 from customers who have gone in to liquidation and us as unsecured creditors had no option but to swallow it. €300,000 to a SME is the difference between job security and social welfare for many staff.

    It's not a nice situation for yourself to be in, but you must look at it rationally rather than assume that you are entitled to something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Wellmum


    I've just found out that at least one of the owners of Topgifts and Naturally Irish is now running another business from that premises called <SNIP>.
    I am outraged that this should be allowed to happen.
    After all <SNIP>, why should <SNIP> be allowed to set up another business <SNIP>
    Grrrrrrrrr, soooooo angry!! :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    whippet wrote: »
    this is the key here, you are owed money by the company, who now no longer exist. A liquidation takes place and the company ceases to exist.



    Actually you don't have the right to anything with out legal resource. The Law is there for a reason and as a citizen of this country you must abide by these laws.



    If you feel a law was broken and can actually prove it, that would be a different matter. Accusing someone on a public forum of breaking a law without any real evidence based in company law couldn't be condoned on any website.



    You do have the right to be angry, but unless you can prove that there was fraudulent trading going on I don't think you will see the "justice" that you desire.


    A business transaction can't be compared to a mugging.

    While I sympathize with your situation, the reality is that this is a common occurrence in these economic times.

    The small company I work for has lost the guts of €300,000 from customers who have gone in to liquidation and us as unsecured creditors had no option but to swallow it. €300,000 to a SME is the difference between job security and social welfare for many staff.

    It's not a nice situation for yourself to be in, but you must look at it rationally rather than assume that you are entitled to something.
    this is my answer to you,if you want evidence AND I am abideing by the law, What transaction the money was paid and nothing in return, that is not a transaction prove read on This is a general email being sent out to those who have emailed info@topgiftsvouchers.comThis email address was set up to try to determine the number of unredeemed TopGifts vouchers that exist in the marketplace and this will probably be expanded to include advertising in the national press in order to understand the scale of the problem.You are probably aware that TopGifts Corporate Event Limited had ceased trading as of Wednesday 27th April owing most, if not all, of their partner companies a significant amount of money. Their business model was based on taking payment for the gift vouchers up front and then passing on the payment, less commission, to the activity providers after the activity had taken place. This means that the activity partners have not received ONE CENT for vouchers that have not been used. Once it was clear that TopGifts were not paying their partners for activities that had already taken place, it was only natural that the partners started to refuse to accommodate those holding TopGifts vouchers.In terms of your unused vouchers, we would suggest applying for a chargeback with the credit card company if they were purchased by that means. Unfortunately, those who paid by other means i.e. cheque, cash, Laser or Mastercard debit do not have that avenue available to them.There has been a creditors meeting called for Friday 13th May at Wynns Hotel, 35-39 Lower Abbey Street, Dublin 1. We are anticipating that this meeting will not be allowed to proceed, as the vast majority of the creditors i.e. the unredeemed voucher holders, have NOT been informed of the meeting, as required by law, forcing an adjournment.As an prior activity partner of TopGifts, we have teamed up with other partners and plan to include the services of an insolvency lawyer at that meeting to represent our interests.Those tuning into Joe Duffy’s show last week would have undoubtedly heard many stories of the TopGifts staff/directors telling outright lies to the voucher holders in a bid to have them not partake in their activity, many of whom now have expired vouchers. There are significant irregularities in the filed accounts with the CRO. They have stated on their filed B1 forms that they hold no other directorships, yet they continue to operate as Naturally Irish Gifts Limited, out of the same office at D9 Southern Link Business Park Naas and have filed a similar B1 form for that company. These premises belong to the three directors and are leased to TopGifts. They have also claimed sizeable ‘leasehold improvements’ on their accounts. Details of their accounts can be downloaded, for a small cost, from www.cro.ieThe directors of TopGifts are <SNIP>. This information is in the public domain and available on their filed B1 form with the CRO, available as above.A file is being prepared for the ODCE (Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement) in relation to TopGifts trading practices.We hope to shortly have a website available where voucher holders can provide more information regarding their voucher purchase and any dialogue relating to their communication with TopGifts when trying to partake in their chosen activity.We will provide further updates as they become available.Just to reiterate, we have no connection with TopGifts, other than being a former activity partner who is owed a substantial amount of money from TopGifts for activities already provided and not paid for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Addresses removed - I don't care if this information is in the public domain. I have removed it here before and I will remove it again. If people feel inclined to harass the directors, they can damn well go find the information themselves rather than obtaining it through Boards.

    Directors exist as separate legal individuals to the companies on which they sit. Until fraudulent trading is proved, they are free to start new businesses and trade. Please respect that fact on this forum, no matter how strongly you feel about it.

    dudara


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    dudara wrote: »
    Addresses removed - I don't care if this information is in the public domain. I have removed it here before and I will remove it again. If people feel inclined to harass the directors, they can damn well go find the information themselves rather than obtaining it through Boards.

    Directors exist as separate legal individuals to the companies on which they sit. Until fraudulent trading is proved, they are free to start new businesses and trade. Please respect that fact on this forum, no matter how strongly you feel about it.

    dudara
    you are right let justice take its course


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭maxer68


    clsta wrote: »
    yes you are correct I dont no anything about company laws, but I do know that I am owed e250 by this company so why should I be careful as I have every right to retrive my money without laws and excuses put in my way. And if you dont mind me saying so who broke the law here not me.and I also have the right to get as angry and as worked up as I want, maybe I wont get it back but justice needs to be served, if I took e250 out of your wallet and walked away and I told you [dont get worked up about it you wont be getting it back????

    So far no-one has PROVEN that any law has been broken. It is up to the liquidator to get the evidence.

    If you lodge a claim with the liquidator you will be clasified as a creditor of the company and you will receive the liquidator reports and details of what the directors say.

    Of course you're angry, but being angry won't get money back. I can get angry because various companies oweing me over €20,000 have gone bust over the years - most from pure bad luck and thew recession, a couple because the operators was scammers. - I have to accept these losses and learn from them (currently I do not extend credit to any customer - but in exchange dropped prices). But c'est la vie - there are risks out there and if wrong doing is proven the ODCE WILL take action - they have been known for taking very strong action where frauldulent trading is concerned and directors very often land in the High Court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 mmid


    Just found out top gifts are gone when i logged on to redeem a present! Any updates?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    bumpydog wrote: »
    Whilst I agree with some of your points, I do not believe for one minute that TopGifts suffered as much as they might suggest with their Christmas sales. We are (were) one of their high-ticket partners and we saw maybe a 5% drop in direct sales over Christmas, which leads me to believe that those who purchased vouchers from them at Christmas have been given the same run-around which is frequently being heard from the holders of said vouchers. We have not received a single enquiry since Christmas and I know that one TG voucher holder (who purchased their voucher last July) has been given countless excuses as to why they cannot partake in the activity, all of which were clearly untrue.

    It is my firm belief that the three directors of TopGifts should be held *personally* responsible for their work practice and ethics (or lack of). Watch this space!

    Malcolm.
    I agree with above any more on this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    bumpydog wrote: »
    OK, keep an eye on boards.ie and, possibly, the national press. I think that you'll find that this debacle isn't over just yet. I understand that there will be a request put out for all TopGifts voucher holders to complete a questionnaire to be followed by potential action against the 3 directors. Further details will become available following expert legal advice.

    Malcolm.[/QUOTE
    What further action has been taken against these directors would like anyone to give update on anything that has to do with this mess


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    shayleon wrote: »
    Many of my clients also told me that TG told them that I was busy and couldn't accept them, even though I was not. I also chased them for months and even asked them whether they are going out of business, which they denied. They lied to many people many times.
    yes lies lies is this not cause for concern when these people are still operating under a different company name going to trade events promoting thier products.???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 clsta


    lucyfur09 wrote: »
    If you didn't do it the first time send the copy again by registered post. Very easy for someone to say they didn't receive something.
    it wont do you any good I spoke to the liquidator and he said nothing left
    in this company look at what others are saying you may find it very entresting (directors of topgifts)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭bumpydog


    I am still awaiting a response from the liquidator as, I believe, he has to make his filing to the ODCE within 6 months of the creditors meeting ( or is it from the actual liquidation date?)

    Either way, based on the many reports of deceipt and the inexplicable accounts and fraudulent returns to the CRO, we have filed our own detailed complaint with the ODCE and have received a reply stating that all of our details have been noted and will be taken into account in the context of their offices examination of the behaviour of the directors under the section 56 reporting mechanism.

    If the liquidators report hasn't already been filed, it should be done shortly.

    Now, I'm sure that Jane/Jaqueline/James are watching this thread....have a great Christmas!!

    Love, Malcolm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭bumpydog


    >>If you feel a law was broken and can actually prove it, that would be a different matter. Accusing someone on a public forum of breaking a law without any real evidence based in company law couldn't be condoned on any website.

    The law has been broken and there is clear proof. For example, they are bound by law to invite ALL known creditors to the creditors meeting. More than 50% of the creditors by value (<SNIP>) were not invited or made aware of the creditors meeting. Sadly, the 'penalty' for this crime is a fine, not exceeding €100. Secondly, anyone can download their filed B1 forms from cro.ie which will show that they failed to identify themselves as directors of any other company (on *both* company B1 returns!)

    The issue of fraudulently providing a service with no intention to provide is a different issue which I am sure will be addressed in due course.


    Malcolm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Grizz


    Hi just discovered I have a voucher worth €250. I had tried to redeem it years ago but they kept saying the company (a make over company) couldnt take a booking for another few months. I gave up in the end.
    Has anyone got their money back from them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Mightycraic


    From Topgifts? No. Only those who managed to get a refund from their credit card providers. They spun that story with most voucher holders to avoid them being used.

    I believe that the issue with ODCE vs TopGifts still has yet to be fully addressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭shayleon


    Grizz, i provided services worth over 800 euro. gave it up .
    no chance. don't waste your time.


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