CHEMTRAILS

joebucks wrote: »

One of the things I find strange is that whenever there are planes flying over my house resulting in persistent contrails, these flights never appear on flighttracker and such websites.

i didnt know you could check them out...have you done so often? did you see what the planes look like that caused persistent trails?

joebucks wrote: »

Here's one of the sites here. There is a 15 minute delay.

http://www.flightradar24.com/
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cool thanks

clever_name wrote: »

Does the mainstream media discuss the fact that the sun will come up tomorrow? or that when clouds get dark rain is on the way?

Never heard these discussed in mainstream media, maybe because there are logical reasons for these events and they are not newsworthy... now take that one step further and think about it.

I would consider the forecasts put out by rte weather as part of mainstream media actually and dark clouds signifying rain is just the kind of thing i would expect to hear on one of those forecasts.

i dont really need you to understand (or care for that matter) what im talking about. clearly you think theres nothing to it and its just b******t so at this point im going to disregard your second and third (and any further) attempts to patronise and condescend my posts.

lolo62 wrote: »

I would consider the forecasts put out by rte weather as part of mainstream media actually and dark clouds signifying rain is just the kind of thing i would expect to hear on one of those forecasts.

i dont really need you to understand (or care for that matter) what im talking about. clearly you think theres nothing to it and its just b******t so at this point im going to disregard your second and third (and any further) attempts to patronise and condescend my posts.

No problem, ignore all you want, sounds like you are more than able to overlook things based on your previous posts.

Probably a good idea too, otherwise you might have to answer simple questions with real answers instead of saying that 2 planes in the sky are doing something naughty because... well because... they just are!

Good luck!:)

lolo62 wrote: »

youre wrong there...i have answered any questions that were asked in a respectful manner

Really? see you previous post.

lolo62 wrote: »

i dont really need you to understand (or care for that matter) what im talking about. clearly you think theres nothing to it and its just b******t so at this point im going to disregard your second and third (and any further) attempts to patronise and condescend my posts.

I think you still have not understood the basic flaw in you theory despite the fact that you have posted the best evidence against it being true.

lolo62 wrote: »

i dont know much about planes

lolo62 wrote: »

so i can only describe them as what looked to me like army jets....?

You have just said you dont know much about planes so you saying they look like army jets is meaningless.

lolo62 wrote: »

they were dark in colour and far too high up to make out any kind of detail other than the colour (which is why i say they could have been army jets)

And they also could have been standard passenger planes flying higher which could have caused a trail due to flying at a higher altitude.

Also passenger planes come in many different colours.

lolo62 wrote: »

i cant be sure that they were two unique planes.
i concluded that it was the same two because it looked like they were working together....once one went out of sight in one direction it would return in the opposite and there were two always going in opposite directions to eachother.

Again you could see no detail other than the colour and you stated that you could not be sure they were the same two planes... but you honestly think that the most logical reason is that its the same planee over and over again... any chance its just a busy route for planes?

lolo62 wrote: »

the emissions would stop and start so the trails were always focused in the same area and once they had built up what was like a grid of these trails, they merged into hazy clouds that were blocking the sun in what had previously been clear blue sky.

Clouds in the sky over Dublin? Well case closed, I mean a blue sky being covered up by clouds in Dublin, no other possible reason fo that is there...

lolo62 wrote: »

i did see a couple of other planes that were normal passanger airline flights. these were completely different.

How do you know they were normal flights?, you have stated you do not know much about planes so why can you say these were normal?

Maybe they were at a lower altitude and so you could make out more detail?

Please take a minute to think about what you are posting, what you are saying is no different than someone saying that they saw the same two birds fly over their house all day based on the fact that they were too far away to see detail and they kept going in the same directions.

clever_name wrote: »

Really? see you previous post.



I think you still have not understood the basic flaw in you theory despite the fact that you have posted the best evidence against it being true.





You have just said you dont know much about planes so you saying they look like army jets is meaningless.



And they also could have been standard passenger planes flying higher which could have caused a trail due to flying at a higher altitude.

Also passenger planes come in many different colours.



Again you could see no detail other than the colour and you stated that you could not be sure they were the same two planes... but you honestly think that the most logical reason is that its the same planee over and over again... any chance its just a busy route for planes?



Clouds in the sky over Dublin? Well case closed, I mean a blue sky being covered up by clouds in Dublin, no other possible reason fo that is there...



How do you know they were normal flights?, you have stated you do not know much about planes so why can you say these were normal?

Maybe they were at a lower altitude and so you could make out more detail?

Please take a minute to think about what you are posting, what you are saying is no different than someone saying that they saw the same two birds fly over their house all day based on the fact that they were too far away to see detail and they kept going in the same directions.

i dont know where you are getting the information from to put these arguments together but i have in fact answered the questions (as i have already said and you can see if you read clearly back through the thread) that were put to me in a respectful manner....as per the rules of the forum.

when i said i didnt know much about planes i was talking to 5uspect who was posting pictures of plane id numbers and varieties of military aircraft...i know the difference between a commercial flight and a military aircraft and you are taking me out of context there.

in relation to the planes being the same two - ive already addressed that

as for clouds over the sky in dublin....there were none where these planes were flying and i watched the trails form the clouds over a number of hours.

in relation to your last comment youre now going from cars to birds when talking about the planes i saw...well i just dont know what to say to that without breaking the rules of the forum.

i will post whatever i like....btw i hope you found what you were looking for on my profile page...ill try and make sure theres a bit more info on me there for next time

lolo62 wrote: »

when i said i didnt know much about planes i was talking to 5uspect who was posting pictures of plane id numbers and varieties of military aircraft...i know the difference between a commercial flight and a military aircraft and you are taking me out of context there.

From you previous post,

lolo62 wrote: »

i dont know much about planes so i can only describe them as what looked to me like army jets....? they were dark in colour and far too high up to make out any kind of detail other than the colour (which is why i say they could have been army jets)

You dont know much about planes (not many people do) all you could see was the colour so based on the colour that you could see they must be military? I would say that is possibly jumping to conclusions.

lolo62 wrote: »

in relation to the planes being the same two - ive already addressed that

Yes you have, the most important point imo is below.

lolo62 wrote: »

i cant be sure that they were two unique planes.

lolo62 wrote: »

as for clouds over the sky in dublin....there were none where these planes were flying and i watched the trails form the clouds over a number of hours.

So there were no clouds near these planes?, your previous post indicates that there was a lot of cloud, enough to block the sun.

lolo62 wrote: »

the emissions would stop and start so the trails were always focused in the same area and once they had built up what was like a grid of these trails, they merged into hazy clouds that were blocking the sun in what had previously been clear blue sky.

lolo62 wrote: »

i will post whatever i like....btw i hope you found what you were looking for on my profile page...ill try and make sure theres a bit more info on me there for next time

I encourage you to post anything you want, thats the whole point of a public forum. Yes I looked at your profile... dont know why its worth mentioning tbh.

lolo62 wrote: »

in relation to your last comment youre now going from cars to birds when talking about the planes i saw...well i just dont know what to say to that without breaking the rules of the forum.

Again I will returm to the same point that I have been trying to get across to you. You saw planes (with almost no detail visible) fly through the sky and leave you field of vision, you then saw planes fly in another direction, this went on for several hours.

Your conclusion is that they were the same two military jets creating chemtrails - correct?

A logical alternative is that it was many planes flying along a busy route over a number of hours, possible?

Or maybe it was military jets training and leaving contrails due to the altitude and speed at which they were moving, possible?

To presume something sinister based on what you have stated seems to be a mistake, maybe next time your watching the sky you could bring a camera and get some footage?.

5uspect wrote: »

I'm not sure you do know the difference. Your first post was that they were at it all day and makes no mention of how unusual they were. You only see fighter jets over Ireland on very rare occasions and these would have been noticed had they been flying around for so long.

Most military tankers are just refitted commercial jets for example. Also fast jets like the ones above are much smaller than your average commercial jet:


This tanker is based on the old 707 which is about as big as a modern 757.

Could they have been smaller sleeker looking aircraft like a BAE-146 or an MD-80?

Were you not able to take any photos during these hours?
Can you draw a representation of the aircraft?

my first post was put in that way because i am of the opinion that there is something dodgy going on around these trails..
i thought this, being a conspiracy theory thread on chemtrails, at least some of the people on here would be of the same opinion...

i dont buy into any NWO theories or anything of the like but i do believe there is something to the conspiracy theory from the perspective of geoengineering.

i didnt draw or take photos of the planes because i was in the park trying to enjoy the sunshine.

i know what i saw and it wasnt something that can be explained and filed away with any of the information that has been contributed here no matter how much people nit-pick at isolated elements of what i have said (although you have been respectful in the tone of your arguments and i appreciate that)
its the sum of everything that makes this an unsual and suspicious event for me

lolo62 wrote: »

i wouldnt be on this thread if that wasnt my argument to be honest and i havent had an opportunity to say anything past defending myself from ridicule so far.

how do you know a project like this couldnt be organised in secrecy? and if not the UN what about the US military?

To be fair saying the US military could do a better job of doing this is secret is a bit of a stretch.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Think about how much work, and how many people, and how much infrastructure would be required to coat an appreciable amount of the planet in contrails.

Why would they US military get involved at all? And how would they explain to every other government in the world why their planes are criss-crossing their air-space trailing funny clouds all the time?

good questions! i cant answer those questions (and neither can anyone else) but it doesnt stop there for me and i cant simplify all of the evidence down using that kind of rationale

from the research i have done it seems there are projects within the us military that the president/head of cia arent allowed access to....do you believe this to be true?