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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭conscious


    it's sickening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Threads merged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    did anyone see the chemtrails over dublin today? they were at it literally all day


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    At what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    5uspect wrote: »
    At what?

    ....two planes going back and forth and up and down, creating hazy clouds from a grid of trails.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    You got their registration numbers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    5uspect wrote: »
    You got their registration numbers?

    is that supposed to be a contribution?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    lolo62 wrote: »
    is that supposed to be a contribution?
    I guess the point is, how do you know it was the same two planes? Were they flying so low that you could see their livery? And if so, why not take their numbers while you were at it?

    I looked at the video linked at the top of the page again. Two points: a text comes up at :57 stating that they stop spraying until they come to a part of the sky that already has 'chemtrails' in it and then they start spraying again in a 'sick' attempt to 'create patterns'. :rolleyes: Wouldn't it make more sense that they've just come to part of the sky that is laden with enough moisture that the moisture condenses over the wings? And the same happened with the last plane that passed through that spot?

    Secondly, even though the video highlights 'nozzles' under the wings (which I'm sure an aviation fan would identify as something else) and claims the 'spray' is coming out of them, you can clearly hear an eyewitness on the video stating that the 'spray' is coming from the top of the wings, not the 'nozzles'. So just the wings 'pulling vapour', then?

    work.7014953.1.flat,550x550,075,f.usaf-f15-strike-eagle-low-and-pulling-vapour.jpg


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    lolo62 wrote: »
    did anyone see the chemtrails over dublin today? they were at it literally all day
    lolo62 wrote: »
    ....two planes going back and forth and up and down, creating hazy clouds from a grid of trails.
    5uspect wrote: »
    You got their registration numbers?

    If you saw what you claim you surely have their unique registration numbers.
    How do you know it was two aircraft rather than dozens simply ferrying passengers as they do every day?

    Or are you jumping to unfounded conclusions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    5uspect wrote: »
    If you saw what you claim you surely have their unique registration numbers.
    How do you know it was two aircraft rather than dozens simply ferrying passengers as they do every day?

    Or are you jumping to unfounded conclusions?

    how would i 'surely' have the unique registration numbers of two flying planes?

    there was a system to what they were doing, they were focusing on specific areas...i watched it for hours.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    lolo62 wrote: »
    there was a system to what they were doing, they were focusing on specific areas...i watched it for hours.
    You kept eyes on the same two planes for hours over (busy) Dublin skies, and they never once went over the horizon, or out of sight? But they weren't so clear that you could see their livery or anything that might identify them?

    Ok.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    Secondly, even though the video highlights 'nozzles' under the wings (which I'm sure an aviation fan would identify as something else) and claims the 'spray' is coming out of them, you can clearly hear an eyewitness on the video stating that the 'spray' is coming from the top of the wings, not the 'nozzles'. So just the wings 'pulling vapour', then?

    They're the fairings for protecting and streamlining the flap actuators. You can see them here with the flaps extended:
    800px-FedEx_912.jpg

    and also here:
    5295001743_f3cff92045.jpg
    This is a DC-10, the civilian version of the KC-10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    You kept eyes on the same two planes for hours over (busy) Dublin skies, and they never once went over the horizon, or out of sight? But they weren't so clear that you could see their livery or anything that might identify them?

    Ok.

    i thought this was a conspiracy theory forum?
    i dont have the time or energy to explain myself to people who clearly think this is a load of rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    lolo62 wrote: »
    i thought this was a conspiracy theory forum?
    No, you're in the right place alright.
    lolo62 wrote: »
    i dont have the time or energy to explain myself to people who clearly think this is a load of rubbish.
    That's fair enough, but you can't expect us to take your claims seriously if you can't be arsed defending them. :)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    In case anyone is unclear as to what an Aircraft Registration Number is.

    Three foot tall numbers painted on the underside of the wing.
    800px-Airfrance.a318-100.f-gugj.arp.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭clever_name


    lolo62 wrote: »
    how would i 'surely' have the unique registration numbers of two flying planes?

    there was a system to what they were doing, they were focusing on specific areas...i watched it for hours.

    You watch planes fly through the same route in the sky for hours and are 100% sure they were the same ones while at the same time you were unable to to see anything unique about them during all this time?

    Thats like saying you saw the same two cars drive down your road all day because you saw a lot of red cars and it must be the same ones, ever think it might be the same route with many planes flying over it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    ...Thats like saying you saw the same two cars drive down your road all day because you saw a lot of red cars and it must be the same onesQUOTE]

    :rolleyes:....sorry but no its not...i suppose i better specify here that the planes were in the sky and i was on the ground


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    So were there two unique planes or not? How can you be sure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    5uspect wrote: »
    So were there two unique planes or not? How can you be sure?

    i dont know much about planes so i can only describe them as what looked to me like army jets....? they were dark in colour and far too high up to make out any kind of detail other than the colour (which is why i say they could have been army jets)

    i cant be sure that they were two unique planes.
    i concluded that it was the same two because it looked like they were working together....once one went out of sight in one direction it would return in the opposite and there were two always going in opposite directions to eachother.

    the emissions would stop and start so the trails were always focused in the same area and once they had built up what was like a grid of these trails, they merged into hazy clouds that were blocking the sun in what had previously been clear blue sky.

    i did see a couple of other planes that were normal passanger airline flights. these were completely different.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    lolo62 wrote: »
    i dont know much about planes so i can only describe them as what looked to me like army jets....? they were dark in colour and far too high up to make out any kind of detail other than the colour (which is why i say they could have been army jets)
    The Irish Air Corps doesn't have any jets other than a couple of tiny Fouga training planes (if they even still fly them?) and the government jets. So they must be foreign military jets. Nice of the Irish government to allow them to mysteriously coat our skies without asking any questions of the foreign government who owns them.
    lolo62 wrote: »
    i cant be sure that they were two unique planes.
    Fair enough. I respect that you acknowledge that. :)
    lolo62 wrote: »
    i concluded that it was the same two because it looked like they were working together....once one went out of sight in one direction it would return in the opposite and there were two always going in opposite directions to eachother.
    Would it not make sense then that these were just commercial jets following 'roads in the sky', routes that commercial jets have to follow when travelling through Irish airspace?
    lolo62 wrote: »
    the emissions would stop and start so the trails were always focused in the same area and once they had built up what was like a grid of these trails, they merged into hazy clouds that were blocking the sun in what had previously been clear blue sky.
    I think I gave a plausible explanation for that earlier - perhaps only certain parts of the sky had enough moisture in them for the planes to condense with their wings as they passed through, causing these dramatic contrails?
    lolo62 wrote: »
    i did see a couple of other planes that were normal passanger airline flights. these were completely different.
    How so? I usually can't tell when looking at planes with the naked eye from miles away, and beneath.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Ok conspiracy theory aside that the government is spraying chemicals or engaged in some sort of geoengineering experiments, what is clear is that on certain days aircraft can have a huge effect on the sky. Today beautiful blue skies were ruined in parts of the country due to the effect of aircraft.

    Is there anything being done or can anything be done to prevent this from happening or at best reduce it so it is barely noticeable??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    joebucks wrote: »
    Is there anything being done or can anything be done to prevent this from happening or at best reduce it so it is barely noticeable??
    Ration flights so that only the wealthiest people can afford to travel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    The Irish Air Corps doesn't have any jets other than a couple of tiny Fouga training planes (if they even still fly them?) and the government jets. So they must be foreign military jets. Nice of the Irish government to allow them to mysteriously coat our skies without asking any questions of the foreign government who owns them.

    Fair enough. I respect that you acknowledge that. :)

    Would it not make sense then that these were just commercial jets following 'roads in the sky', routes that commercial jets have to follow when travelling through Irish airspace?

    I think I gave a plausible explanation for that earlier - perhaps only certain parts of the sky had enough moisture in them for the planes to condense with their wings as they passed through, causing these dramatic contrails?

    How so? I usually can't tell when looking at planes with the naked eye from miles away, and beneath.


    i think these are foreign jets and the government are either giving permission or they are as oblivious to whats really going on as most people

    it would make sense that they were commercial flights if it wasnt for the colour of the planes, the concentration of the trails and the consistency of the activity.

    where the planes were producing trails was where the sky was bluest so im not so sure about the moisture/condensing wings thing....

    i spend a lot of time looking at the sky and this i have never seen before...what i could definitley see is these were dark in colour and the other passanger planes were white.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Ration flights so that only the wealthiest people can afford to travel?

    Fly at different altitudes or adapt the engines/wings in some way to prevent trails having such an effect on the environment. I am not an aviation expert so I don't know if these things are even being considered.

    A levy on any flights causing these trails could be an option but that would inevitably be passed on to the customer and access to air travel would be restricted to the Ubermensch. However a levy on flights may force airlines to consider trying to find a solution to this problem.

    Do you find it a problem or are you not too bothered by it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    joebucks wrote: »
    Fly at different altitudes or adapt the engines/wings in some way to prevent trails having such an effect on the environment. I am not an aviation expert so I don't know if these things are even being considered.

    A levy on any flights causing these trails could be an option but that would inevitably be passed on to the customer and access to air travel would be restricted to the Ubermensch. However a levy on flights may force airlines to consider trying to find a solution to this problem.

    Do you find it a problem or are you not too bothered by it?

    dont you think though that this would all be openly discussed in the mainstream media if there was a rational and acceptable explanation for it? its the fact that its just being ignored that makes me lean to the conspiracy theory side of things..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    lolo62 wrote: »
    dont you think though that this would all be openly discussed in the mainstream media if there was a rational and acceptable explanation for it? its the fact that its just being ignored that makes me lean to the conspiracy theory side of things..

    well discovery channel or one of those channels did a show on chemtrails before but the results from the tests they did were inconclusive as they were not allowed to test military aircraft. It has been widely acknowledged that contails affect the temperature too.

    One of the things I find strange is that whenever there are planes flying over my house resulting in persistent contrails, these flights never appear on flighttracker and such websites.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    lolo62 wrote: »
    i dont know much about planes so i can only describe them as what looked to me like army jets....? they were dark in colour and far too high up to make out any kind of detail other than the colour (which is why i say they could have been army jets)

    What kind of plan form did they have?

    This:
    5d899d30bd9a2f5fa267f15a34a3_grande.jpg
    or this:
    large_468154623_f-15e+planform+tico+airshow+march+2008+%28Custom%29.jpg

    Most modern military jets are light gray in colour to make them difficult to spot. Low flying attack aircraft and helicopters tend to be camouflaged and dark looking.

    The Air Corps currently have PC-9s:
    15404631.jpg
    They're quite small turboprops.

    They also have a pair of these:
    CN235MP_7.jpg

    The Government Jets look like private jets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭clever_name


    lolo62 wrote: »
    .

    :rolleyes:....sorry but no its not...i suppose i better specify here that the planes were in the sky and i was on the ground

    Ok allow me to simplify my post for you, you state that you saw planes in the sky (where they usually are) but you could not see anything unique about them.

    Based on this you stated that it was the same two planes all day, again planes that had nothing unique about them other than that you could see other than being in the sky.

    I used the example that this was like stating that the same two cars were using a road simply because cars of the same colour were on the road.

    I used this simple example to ask a question which you failed to answer, ever think it might be the same route with many planes flying over it?

    make sense now? If not send me a PM and I will draw you a diagram.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭clever_name


    lolo62 wrote: »
    dont you think though that this would all be openly discussed in the mainstream media if there was a rational and acceptable explanation for it? its the fact that its just being ignored that makes me lean to the conspiracy theory side of things..

    Does the mainstream media discuss the fact that the sun will come up tomorrow? or that when clouds get dark rain is on the way?

    Never heard these discussed in mainstream media, maybe because there are logical reasons for these events and they are not newsworthy... now take that one step further and think about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭lolo62


    5uspect wrote: »
    What kind of plan form did they have?

    This:

    large_468154623_f-15e+planform+tico+airshow+march+2008+%28Custom%29.jpg

    thanks for the pics 5uspect. the above one looks most like the two i saw.


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