Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

jajjay · 16-06-2011 10:13AM

Legal costs for this case are now well in excess of €4,000,000... paid by who? Us the tax payers!!
So we have A&E being closed..... social welfare about to be cut and there goes €4million on Pamela.... and thats not even her first name.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 12:19PM

Victor_M wrote: »

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171

Have a read of this dating back to 2005 when the flood gates were well and truly wide open.

(.................)evidence that the Nigerian Asylum seekers are taking total and utter advantage of our lack of experience in dealing with lying chancers.

We have consistently had one of the lowest rates of acceptance in Europe, so when were these "flood gates" open?

And given those extremely low rates of approval, how and when were we being taken "total and utter advantage of"?

You've evaded clarifying your position as to whether Nigerians consitute a majority or not as requested in post 648.

walshb wrote:

Oh Nodin, how I crave to live in your world, where all runs so smoothly...

As oppossed to WalshB world, where every day is a struggle. Fighting off the hordes of scammers, queing up for the quarter weetabix thats your daily food ration, as all else is shipped off to Africa to make mobile phones and sports cars. Living in terror as gangs of machete wielding Concern, Gorta and Trocaire fight it out in the streets for the right to demand protection money off the locals....O The Horror!!!!!!

Count Dooku · 16-06-2011 12:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

We have consistently had one of the lowest rates of acceptance in Europe, so when were these "flood gates" open?

Lowest rates apply only to those who got "refugee status", but doesn't include those who been granted "Leave to remain in Ireland" on humanitarian grounds or through Irish born child

Nodin · 16-06-2011 12:33PM

Count Dooku wrote: »

Lowest rates apply only to those who got "refugee status", but doesn't include those who been granted "Leave to remain in Ireland" on humanitarian grounds or through Irish born child

And you've stats on those?

Count Dooku · 16-06-2011 12:56PM

Nodin wrote: »

And you've stats on those?

Under the IBC(05) Scheme, 16,693 non-nationals were granted leave to remain on the basis of their parentage of children born in Ireland before 1 January, 2005.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2006-05-03.1917.0

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2005-11-08.1936.0

Table 3 — Persons granted temporary leave to remain.
Year 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 until 31 October
Number of persons 19 77 158 86 175 103

Victor_M · 16-06-2011 02:07PM

The acceptance percentage means nothing.

A) it's totally dependant on the number of applicants in the first place

Just because an Asylum claim is refused, less than 1 in 5 failed applicants actually get deported.

The reality....... drive around west Dublin (amongst many other places, just happens to be where I live) for a few hours if you really want to see how low our acceptance rate is in reality.

Take a look at the attached graph, now you tell me what happened in or around 2008* that caused a huge spike in the number of Nigerians landing in Ireland, flying, with passports through at least one other country, then arriving here empty handed, no passports or ID claiming asylum (whilst 8.5 months pregnant in many cases)

But unless Nodin see's a video blog of a scammer planning his or her scam on camera, he's going to give the no questions asked benefit of the doubt, even if you did see a video blog you'd probably claim it was falsified by a racist based on anecdotal jibber jabber, so at this point I'm giving up as you are blinkered from reality.

* for those that aren't aware of the answer, it's the Good friday agreement was signed, one problem was solved and a whole other one was created.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 02:15PM

Victor_M wrote: »

The acceptance percentage means nothing.

A) it's totally dependant on the number of applicants in the first place
Just because an Asylum claim is refused, less than 1 in 5 failed applicants actually get deported..

So 'screw your statistics, I'm on a mission.'

Victor_M wrote: »

The reality....... drive around west Dublin (amongst many other places, just happens to be where I live) for a few hours if you really want to see how low our acceptance rate is in reality. .

More convenient tales.

Victor_M wrote: »

Take a look at the attached graph, now you tell me what happened in or around 2008* that caused a huge spike in the number of Nigerians landing in Ireland, flying, with passports through at least one other country, then arriving here empty handed, no passports or ID claiming asylum (whilst 8.5 months pregnant in many cases)

Perhaps its my eyesight, but I can't see "nigerian" anywhere on that graph.......

You still haven't clarified your position as requested in post 648 - any reason?

Nodin · 16-06-2011 02:21PM

Count Dooku wrote: »

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2006-05-03.1917.0

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2005-11-08.1936.0

Thanks for that.

It has to be said that 17,000 (rounding for the sake of it) works out at about 2,500 per year from the Good Friday agreement to the referendum, so again, hardly massive numbers.

Tis a window now closed anyhoo.....

Nodin · 16-06-2011 02:24PM

Victor_M wrote: »

The acceptance percentage means nothing.

A) it's totally dependant on the number of applicants in the first place
.

So whats 1.5% of the roughly 2,000 applicants in 2010? A "horde"?

Count Dooku · 16-06-2011 02:57PM

Nodin wrote: »

So whats 1.5% of the roughly 2,000 applicants in 2010? A "horde"?

For example in 2002 before IBC loophole was closed first time, from 11,634 asylum seekers 893 were granted at first instance, 1,099 after appeal, 3,113 through IBC, 382 on other grounds
http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2005-02-16.722.0
i.e. it was nearly 50% when Ireland had highest number of asylum seekers per capita in Europe

thebigbiffo · 16-06-2011 03:09PM

Nodin wrote: »

Thanks for that.

It has to be said that 17,000 (rounding for the sake of it) works out at about 2,500 per year from the Good Friday agreement to the referendum, so again, hardly massive numbers.

Tis a window now closed anyhoo.....

i disagree - over 2,000 AS's every year is very large number for an island nation on the edge of western Europe. Each one housed, fed, clothed etc and the cost gets into many millions.

If this particular Biffo here ruled the world I'd change things - and what I'd do is this. Allow in not 1 asylum seeker. The vast majority of applicants who just happen to arrive here are simply seeking a better life at the expense of our society.

What I would do is take the money saved and fly a few planes every year out to countries where people are suffering, get those who are in need and bring them back and give them asylum.

I've no issue with charity - it's being robbed blind I've an issue with...and make no mistake, the system as it is is a joke and the vast majority of applicants are nothing but chancers.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 03:10PM

Count Dooku wrote: »

For example in 2002 before IBC loophole was closed first time, from 11,634 asylum seekers 893 were granted at first instance, 1,099 after appeal, 3,113 through IBC, 382 on other grounds
http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2005-02-16.722.0
i.e. it was nearly 50% when Ireland had highest number of asylum seekers per capita in Europe

Yes, but the 3,000 or so under the IBC would have been built up over a previous period, so it wouldn't be correct to throw them in there with 'ordinary' asylum applicants as part of the years stats.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 03:11PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

............and the vast majority of applicants are nothing but chancers.

...and the grounds for that statement are.....?

(not to mention that the vast majority are rejected...)

thebigbiffo · 16-06-2011 03:33PM

Nodin wrote: »

...and the grounds for that statement are.....?

(not to mention that the vast majority are rejected...)

Firstly, check out the definition of Asylum Seeker: a person who, from fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, social group, or political opinion, has crossed an international frontier into a country in which he or she hopes to be granted refugee status

if you're in Ireland you've already probably crossed at least 5 international frontiers but probably alot more - they do not seek asylum in any of these countries so it's fair to say they specifically want to come to Ireland. It's not f'ucking interrailing these people are doing, it's not sightseeing. I wouldn't even mind so much if they were in a wheel well of a jumbo from Lagos but they're not...they pay a lot of money and travel a huge distance to come here. That's not seeking asylum, that's f'ucking emigrating. so i conclude it's a scam to get residency in a rich nation - as any reasonable person would see.

secondly, we've been over that issue before. less than 20% are actually deported and the rest of the people rejected appeal and appeal and appeal costing the state an absolute fortune in the process. Please dont bring that point up again - just because we've a high rejection rate doesn't mean the vast majority don't stay here. in fact the low acceptance rate is a huge part of the problem due to the cost of appeals.

beagle001 · 16-06-2011 03:41PM

Nodin you have to be the most blinkered poster on boards,unbelievable how you are still championing a lost case.

meanmachine3 · 16-06-2011 04:12PM

jajjay wrote: »

Legal costs for this case are now well in excess of €4,000,000... paid by who? Us the tax payers!!
So we have A&E being closed..... social welfare about to be cut and there goes €4million on Pamela.... and thats not even her first name.

is this just here say or is it fact. if it's fact i'd love to see the paper work get a strongly worded letter to my local T.D.

Victor_M wrote: »

As I said in an earlier post, I have met many asylum seekers, most of them nigerians, and the most arrogant lazy pompous ones are the nigerians.

not true. alot of them are driving dodgy taxi's

Nodin wrote: »

...despite the fact we've consistently one of the lowest rates of approval for Asylum seekers in Europe? waiting years for claims to be processed? 19 Euro a week?

chrst if i was getting that a week i'd be pleading with the authorities to deport me before my second foot landed on irish soil
all you have to do is look around our cities and ask yourself if things are really that bad why aren't they begging on our streets in their droves.
thousands of genuine people have lost and many more will loose their homes, yet our hard earnt taxes are being flushed down the toilet providing to their every needs. we need to close this country and close it now. we cant afford to look after our own let alone anyone else.
slightly off the topic: it wasn't to long ago when the asylum seekers went on hunger strike in mosney because the food wasn't good enough and that was when they had their own chefs F.F.S this country isn't a charity. jasus if i was able to get half the good meals they got i'd be a happy camper. i'm sorry but the do-gooders and the mary robinsons alike have completely destroyed this country with their cead mile failte's. unfortunately most people were afraid to speak out at the time but the tide is starting to turn slowly and people are getting pissed of with this racist ****e. you look at a nigerian the wrong way and your a racist.in fact it's to a stage that in most cases if you challenge a nigerian your a racist.
if this woman wins her case we might as well all pack our bags and leave the country to the nigerians .it'll prove once and for all who actually runs this country and i dear say it wont be anyone living here it'll be those beaucrats from brussells.

Kumejima · 16-06-2011 04:35PM

Here's what I'd do, employ people like the Tim Roth character in Lie to me. When these people arrive at the airport and apply for asylum, detain them, question them. If they're lying send them on the next plane back, if they're genuinely in fear of their lives let them move to temporary accomodation before granting them access to social protection. But do it quickly, don't let them stew, give them the right to social welfare, the right to work. Since we know theyre genuine, who would begrudge them the chance of a new life.

The main issue is people who are undeserving getting the cream be they bogus asylum seekers, social welfare fraudsters, bankers etc.

Remove the doubt about the veracity of their stories and alls good in the hood.

mecanoman · 16-06-2011 04:55PM

So would it be true to say that the vast amount of Nigerians in Ireland
are here illegally.

Taking advantage of the social system, thru Housing, medical card,
Fuel, school allowance.

They have right to stay because they have
the "anchor child" or "passort baby" as soon as they arrive.

Then havin large amounts of children to gain the extra social benefits.

This Pamela has been found out to be the absolute crook that she is and should be deport as soon as possible.

Victor_M · 16-06-2011 05:18PM

Nodin wrote: »

...and the grounds for that statement are.....?

(not to mention that the vast majority are rejected...)

The grounds for his statement are, given the low scammer acceptance rate, aka asylum application, It stands to reason that they are rejected on the grounds that they are lying.

Combined with the fact that fewer than 20% of the rejected applicants actually get deported, we are left with a hell of a lot of rapidly reproducing lying Nigerian scam artists in Ireland, thanks by the way in no small part in no small part due to the likes of you, RAR, a few greedy lawyers and our crazy 'if you don't like the outcome just keep appealing' judicial system.

Nodin, you clearly haven't seen the reality on the streets, answer me this were you ever in a maternity hospital between 2002 & 2008? I was plenty of times and the place was bursting at the seams with heavily pregnant Africans.

This argument is futile at this stage, you are dismissing my first hand experience as drivel, my statistics and quotes, you are quietly ignoring, you are indeed a very effective troll as you are discreetly selecting what to latch on to and what to ignore.

You are part of, and I'll re-quote then Minister Michael McDowell for those who missed it first time around

Statement by the Minister for Justice regarding the Real Facts about the Asylum and Deportation Systems

"A small but well placed minority of commentators have sought to create the impression that Ireland's treatment of asylum seekers is harsh and unfair. They have consistently concealed the real facts from the Irish people. Moreover, they have sought to create the impression that anyone who points out the true situation is engaging in political racism. They hint at international comparisons which do not exist.

They refuse to address the very large abuse of asylum protection in Ireland. They claim to believe that it is wrong to point out what is happening lest it create prejudice against genuine asylum seekers. They are engaging in a form of verbal intimidation of those who would tell the truth."

I have absolutely nothing what so ever against genuine Asylum seekers, what irritates me so much (apart from your relentless blinkered perspective) is that these scumbag, lazy, con artists are not only putting a huge burden on our social welfare system, the HSE & generally not contributing to Irish society in any meaningful way, but they are depriving genuine Asylum seekers from a chance at a decent life.

Your naivety is a bit sad, a bit like the RAR crowd, who just quietly shut up once PI was exposed as the low life that she is.

These chancers tug the emotional heart strings, hide behind a completely disingenuous religious belief system, basically they say and do anything they need to in order to get as much for themselves with as little effort as possible.

Oh yeah remember THIS GUY All the support he received, via the same modus operandi and he was arrested in Dublin Airport taking part in an ATM card Scam after having his deportation revoked.

meanmachine3 · 16-06-2011 05:36PM

Victor_M wrote: »

Oh yeah remember THIS GUY All the support he received, via the same modus operandi and he was arrested in Dublin Airport taking part in an ATM card Scam after having his deportation revoked.

thanks for reminding me victor. the amount of F.N.'s that have received citizenship then gone on to commit serious crimes really alarms me. again it goes back the system. there is nothing in law that allows for deportation or the revoking of citizenship if serious crimes are committed after citizenship has been granted.to me that is totally mind boggling.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 06:39PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

Firstly, check (.........)to the cost of appeals.

They don't have to apply in the first country they land in.

Given the rejection rate, its hardly the most favourable site to pick. I'll stop bringing up the point when its been refuted with some actual numbers as oppossed to opinion.

Seeing as there were only 7,000 asylum seekers resident in Ireland 2009/2010, you'll pardon me not being worried too much about it.

beagle001 wrote:

unbelievable how you are still championing a lost case..

What "lost case" am I championing?

#15 · 16-06-2011 06:45PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

If this particular Biffo here ruled the world I'd change things - and what I'd do is this. Allow in not 1 asylum seeker. The vast majority of applicants who just happen to arrive here are simply seeking a better life at the expense of our society.

What I would do is take the money saved and fly a few planes every year out to countries where people are suffering, get those who are in need and bring them back and give them asylum.

Jesus christ. This can't be a serious post.

thebigbiffo wrote: »

just because we've a high rejection rate doesn't mean the vast majority don't stay here.

That's a ridiculous claim.

There is a mechanism where those rejected can leave voluntarily before they are deported. They receive assistance. They are officially rejected, but not officially deported.
They should really make this clear, because people like you seem to think that there are hordes of former asylum seekers going about their daily business after receiving their final notification.

Nodin · 16-06-2011 07:02PM

meanmachine3 wrote: »

chrst if i was getting (........)living here it'll be those beaucrats from brussells.

19 Euro a week, 9.80 for a child. The entitlements are up on various sites on the net. Those are the facts. Your hearsay and rant does not counter fact. It's funny, but still, we're not in a comedy competition.

Victorm wrote:

Combined with the fact that fewer than 20% of the rejected applicants actually get deported, we are left with a hell of a lot of rapidly reproducing lying Nigerian scam artists in Ireland, thanks by the way in no small part in no small part due to the likes of you, RAR, a few greedy lawyers and our crazy 'if you don't like the outcome just keep appealing' judicial system.
.

See above re those still here. Don't like the figure then produce one from an authoritative source.

You aren't very good at this, are you? Again, where is the evidence that the majority of applicants are Nigerian? You've been asked 3 times at least now, and have failed to come up with the goods.

You still haven't explained how or what your wee graph from earlier had to do with Nigerians.....other than a further indication of your obsession.

Victorm wrote:

Nodin, you clearly haven't seen the reality on the streets,.

Is this going the brown faces=Nigerian route?

Victorm wrote:

answer me this were you ever in a maternity hospital between 2002 & 2008? I was plenty of times and the place was bursting at the seams with heavily pregnant Africans.,.

...by jaysus it is. what were you doing every year in a maternity hospital for 6 years, raring a football team? Seeing as the Irish born child thing ran out in 2005, you might have tailored your "first hand experience" a bit better.

Victorm wrote:

you are dismissing my first hand experience as drivel,.....

.....anecdotal shite and bollocksology, yep, guilty as charged.

Victorm wrote:

my statistics
,.

You've presented one graph that doesn't allude to what you stated it did. If you want to present statistics, do so on what you've been asked for.

meanmachine3 wrote: »

thanks for reminding me victor. the amount of F.N.'s that have received citizenship then gone on to commit serious crimes really alarms me.
,.

I'd no idea there was such a problem. I trust you've some facts to back up that assertion?

Kingser · 16-06-2011 07:03PM

[QUOTE=Victor_M;

Oh yeah remember THIS GUY All the support he received, via the same modus operandi and he was arrested in Dublin Airport taking part in an ATM card Scam after having his deportation revoked.[/QUOTE]

Can you back this up? I know the guy from school days, when he first came everyone was shocked that he was considered our age (17-18) he looked so much older. Also failed his leaving first time around, that was his 2nd time during the deportation.

He did break 2 traffic laws (driving with no insurance was one!) and I seen him few months back, living with his girlfriend and also has a baby by her too!

Victor_M · 16-06-2011 07:23PM

Nodin wrote: »

...and the grounds for that statement are.....?

(not to mention that the vast majority are rejected...)

Kingser wrote: »

Can you back this up? I know the guy from school days, when he first came everyone was shocked that he was considered our age (17-18) he looked so much older. Also failed his leaving first time around, that was his 2nd time during the deportation.

He did break 2 traffic laws (driving with no insurance was one!) and I seen him few months back, living with his girlfriend and also has a baby by her too!

He and another fella were arrested in Dublin airport years ago trying to take out money with a false passport can't remember the exact details of it, other than the huge support he managed to drum up and as a sign of gratitude to the Irish nation he felt sufficiently above the law to drive without T&I and carry on like a rockstar due to the publicity he got.

Victor_M · 16-06-2011 07:40PM

#15 wrote: »

Jesus christ. This can't be a serious post.

That's a ridiculous claim.

There is a mechanism where those rejected can leave voluntarily before they are deported. They receive assistance. They are officially rejected, but not officially deported.
They should really make this clear, because people like you seem to think that there are hordes of former asylum seekers going about their daily business after receiving their final notification.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0830/1224277855268.html

Kingser · 16-06-2011 07:47PM

Victor_M wrote: »

He and another fella were arrested in Dublin airport years ago trying to take out money with a false passport can't remember the exact details of it, other than the huge support he managed to drum up and as a sign of gratitude to the Irish nation he felt sufficiently above the law to drive without T&I and carry on like a rockstar due to the publicity he got.

Totally agree with you and I can remember that incident too. While I would consider him a friend after been in the same classes for four years, after all this, I wouldn't even say hello to him! Now he has fathered a kid, (the mother is Irish) is he entitled to stay now?

Monife · 16-06-2011 07:57PM

Victor_M wrote: »

As I said in an earlier post, I have met many asylum seekers, most of them nigerians, and the most arrogant lazy pompous ones are the nigerians.

Huge sweeping generalization there...

Nodin · 16-06-2011 08:06PM

Victor_M wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0830/1224277855268.html

...evidence that the majority of asylum seekers are Nigerian? Do you have it?

What does your graph in post 668 have to do with Nigerians?

Monife · 16-06-2011 08:11PM

mecanoman wrote: »

So would it be true to say that the vast amount of Nigerians in Ireland
are here illegally.

Taking advantage of the social system, thru Housing, medical card,
Fuel, school allowance.

They have right to stay because they have
the "anchor child" or "passort baby" as soon as they arrive.

Then havin large amounts of children to gain the extra social benefits.

This Pamela has been found out to be the absolute crook that she is and should be deport as soon as possible.

They do not have the right to stay. After the referendum that was passed in (I think) 2005, at least one parent has to be legal for at least 3 years prior to the child's birth before the child was entitled to Irish citizenship. They have no right to stay unless the child is an Irish citizen and/or are in a relationship with an EU citizen. An Irish spouse does not confer any residency rights.

Kingser wrote: »

Totally agree with you and I can remember that incident too. While I would consider him a friend after been in the same classes for four years, after all this, I wouldn't even say hello to him! Now he has fathered a kid, (the mother is Irish) is he entitled to stay now?

If he plays an active role in the child's life, then yes.

Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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