Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

bertiesrasher

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1106/breaking64.htm

Supreme Court hears Izevbekhai case


Nigerian mother Pamela Izevbekhai has told the Supreme Court a sworn statement from a doctor asserting she never had a child who died as a result of complications from female genital mutilation (FGM) is untrue. She claims she has a certificate from another doctor to prove the child’s death.
Representing herself in the Supreme Court today after her fourth set of lawyers withdrew over what they described as a threatening anonymous postcard, Ms Izevbekhai said her first child Elizabeth died in July 1994 and she has obtained evidence from another doctor certifying this.
Her case was before the court today following an application from the State to have her entire appeal against the deportation of herself and her two daughters dismissed as an abuse of court process.
This application was adjourned but she unsuccessfully opposed the State’s application to admit additional affidavits containing new evidence disputing her case.
She said the affidavits were not true, that they affected her credibility and that she had no knowledge that a previous affidavit and death certificate submitted on her behalf were forged.
Those affidavits include one by Dr Joseph Unakajo, a Nigerian gynaecologist, whose name was used to support a death certificate and FGM allegations concerning Elizabeth during earlier hearings of Ms Izevbekhai’s asylum application.
In the affidavit, sworn after Irish officials travelled to Nigeria to investigate the case further, Dr Unakajo said Ms Izevbekhai’s first child was born in 2000 and she did not have a child prior this this. He said she had tried to get him to issue a certificate in relation to Elizabeth but he refused.
In an affidavit from Irish embassy official, Cormac McHenry, he said he went last February to a local government office in Nigeria, from which the original death certificate (used in Ms Izevbekhai’s asylum application) had allegedly issued, and found no such certificate on file in that office.
Ms Izevbekhai, in a replying affidavit, said she “entirely rejected” the doctor’s claim that she gave birth to her first child in 2000. The death certificate which she originally supplied was obtained through a friend and she did not accept it was forged because she did not know, she said.
Addressing the court, Ms Izevbekhai said Dr Unakajo was there at the death of her child while a Dr E Ori later carried out a post mortem. She had since obtained a death certificate from this second doctor through her brother in Nigeria.
She said she believed Dr Unakajo was acting under influence and she did not even know if this was the same doctor she knew. She said her credbility was being seriously affected especially because the chief justice of Nigeria and the Nigerian ambassador had said she was causing embarrassment to their country.
Earlier the court heard an anonymous postcard was sent to Ms Izevbekhai’s solicitors telling them to “back off” and claiming she was “the greatest con-artist ever”.
As a result solicitors Murphy McElligott from Dun Laoghaire, Dublin, asked that they be allowed to withdraw from representing Ms Izevbekhai.
The court initially refused the application to allow them to withdraw. However, after they lodged a formal application saying Ms Izevbekhai wanted to represent herself because she did not want anybody to be under threat, they were permitted to withdraw.
Sharon McElligott of Murphy McElligotts solicitors, said in an affidavit an anonymous postcard received at their office on October 23rd last had been taken extremely seriously and the gardai were investigating.
In the handwritten postcard, the writer states: “Take my advice, back off now, Pamela is the greatest con artist ever.” The writer says Ms Izevbekhai’s husband was deported from England and Italy and she was “making a fool out of the Irish people and costing tax to Irish people.” The writer added: “I know, I am Nigerian, she manipulates everybody.”
Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman, presiding, said threats were made all the time to lawyers and they had to overcome them. After accepting the formal application to allow Ms Izevbekhai represent herself, he told counsel for Murphy McElligott it was “a pity that had not been done in the first instance instead of a solicitor making an application to come off record on the basis of an anonymous postcard”.

RoadKillTs

There is something a bit off about this case. I don't know. Just have a weird feeling about it.

Who would have contacted the solicitors?

Pedro K

^
There's nothing off about this case at all.. She should be sent back to Nigeria.

This has been discussed in depth on the politics forum.

PCPhoto

I'm not in any way sticking up for her - but OUR legal system allows her to be here - so according to OUR system she's entitled to be here.

- we have so many appeal processes and so many levels of courts - even if unsuccessful in Supreme (why am I saying "Even" - she cant win.... WHEN unsuccessful in Supreme court).

she can then appeal the decision to the European courts.... allowing her (and kids) to remain in the country until that hearing goes ahead.

she cant do anything if she was picked up and deported - she was very quick to hide when there was a deportation order made in her name and attempts were made to execute it. (of course she got help from the usual Civil Rights activists)

cmpunk

Why is she still here ?

mikemac

She was on her fourth set of lawyers!
She must be super rich, very few people in Ireland could afford to hire this and take appeal after appeal.

Or was she getting it from free? Are her civil rights supporters paying?

PCPhoto

showmered wrote: »

Why is she still here ?

because the legal system allows her to remain in the country to complete an appeals process....personally I would have picked her up and shipped her home once she came out of hiding to start her legal action.


who pays for her legal fees ?

EDIT: Mikemac - I like yer thinking :P

The_Minister

1. Her appeal is getting paid for (I don't know by whom)
2. This seems to be yet ANOTHER delay. I think the Sc should put their foot down.

PCPhoto

The_Minister wrote: »

1. Her appeal is getting paid for (I don't know by whom)
2. This seems to be yet ANOTHER delay. I think the Sc should put their foot down.

todays action was her legal team asking can they come off record (ie. not represent her)

so she now faces the prospect of a supreme court action - on her own (without proper legal advice).... which means she will have a strong case to have the matter adjourned for at least 12months.

In fairness today was one of the first times I didnt see ANY of the usual Civil Rights Activists turning up to the courts in support of her - I think maybe they have abandoned her.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I'm not sure who's paying for her, to date, 22 court appearances but according to The Curious case of Pamela Izevbekhai her legal costs are running to €500,000.

Tbh, I'd have thought it was more. God only knows what the final figure will be.

Why is she still here, dunno. Probably for the same reason that other guy, Kunal (was that his name) is still here. We're too bloody soft thats why.

MAB83

Monroe CoolS Turpitude wrote: »

I'm not sure who's paying for her, to date, 22 court appearances but according to The Curious case of Pamela Izevbekhai her legal costs are running to €500,000.

Tbh, I'd have thought it was more. God only knows what the final figure will be.

Why is she still here, dunno. Probably for the same reason that other guy, Kunal (was that his name) is still here. We're too bloody soft thats why.

Exactly. Only in Ireland! :rolleyes:

netwhizkid

If she is not removed from Ireland she should be imprisoned here. She is more than likely being bankrolled by the Labour party and Amnesty. Ireland is the laughing stock of Africa and if we do not close the doors on immigration then soon there will be no Ireland left. It is a disgrace and she should be deported along time ago. People have even sent her lawyers "death threats" no doubt an attempt to flash the race card in an attempt to get sympathy from some liberal idiots here.

mikom

I'll be thinking of her on budget day.

Borneo Fnctn

What are those Nigerians playing at?

Karoma

netwhizkid wrote: »

If she is not removed from Ireland she should be imprisoned here. She is more than likely being bankrolled by the Labour party and Amnesty. Ireland is the laughing stock of Africa and if we do not close the doors on immigration then soon there will be no Ireland left. It is a disgrace and she should be deported along time ago. People have even sent her lawyers "death threats" no doubt an attempt to flash the race card in an attempt to get sympathy from some liberal idiots here.

Did you send any postcards recently?

BlitzKrieg

Representing herself in the Supreme Court today after her fourth set of lawyers withdrew over what they described as a threatening anonymous postcard,

anyone have any more info on these postcards?

Edit: I see it was whizz kid then, ok.

Karoma

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

anyone have any more info on these postcards?

A postcard or post card is a rectangular piece of thick paper or thin cardboard intended for writing and mailing without an envelope, but we don't have time for this, Roger.

ilovelamp2000

I can't believe she has the neck to take things this far.

Firstly her asylum claim should have never been heard in this country. The first "safe" country she landed in was the UK.

Secondly regardless of the merits of her FGM case, Nigeria is a member of ECOWAS - meaning Nigerians can move to 14/15 other neighbouring countries without the need for a visa. Just like we can move elsewhere in Europe. So she has options open to her if she feels she is being persecuted, international protection (i.e. asylum) is supposed to be a last resort.

Thirdly FGM is not practised in all of Nigeria, it's outlawed in a good proportion of Nigerian states meaning she does not even have to leave Nigeria to avoid FGM.

She has absolutely no case under the Convention and shouldn't be entertained in any way.

BlitzKrieg

Karoma wrote: »

A postcard or post card is a rectangular piece of thick paper or thin cardboard intended for writing and mailing without an envelope, but we don't have time for this, Roger.

smeghead

Rev. BlueJeans

Why am I not surprised that this shyster is still here?

Disappointed, yes, but not surprised.

phasers

Freeloading bitch

PCPhoto

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

anyone have any more info on these postcards?
.

from what I heard it was posted from Spain or one of the Spanish Islands (cant remember) and as the article says Take my advice, back off now, Pamela is the greatest con artist ever.” The writer says Ms Izevbekhai’s husband was deported from England and Italy and she was “making a fool out of the Irish people and costing tax to Irish people.” The writer added: “I know, I am Nigerian, she manipulates everybody.”

Rented Mule

PCPhoto wrote: »

from what I heard it was posted from Spain or one of the Spanish Islands (cant remember) and as the article says Take my advice, back off now, Pamela is the greatest con artist ever.” The writer says Ms Izevbekhai’s husband was deported from England and Italy and she was “making a fool out of the Irish people and costing tax to Irish people.” The writer added: “I know, I am Nigerian, she manipulates everybody.”

You left out

My name is Pamela Izevbekhai .I work in the credit and accounts department of Union Bank of NigeriaPlc,Lagos, Nigeria. I write you in respect of a
foreign customer with a Domicilliary account. His name is Engineer Manfred
Becker. He was among those who died in a plane crash here in Nigeria
during the reign of late General Sani Abacha.

dvpower

Earlier the court heard an anonymous postcard was sent to Ms Izevbekhai’s solicitors telling them to “back off” and claiming she was “the greatest con-artist ever”.
As a result solicitors Murphy McElligott from Dun Laoghaire, Dublin, asked that they be allowed to withdraw from representing Ms Izevbekhai.

A mild mannered postcard from Spain. Is that all it takes to scare off members of the legal profession these days?

omahaid

dvpower wrote: »

A mild mannered postcard from Spain. Is that all it takes to scare off members of the legal profession these days?

Actually, this is a bit odd isn't it? This is a tidbit of info I'm storing away in case I have a divorce or something.

walshb

The lastest scam that the lawyers are making out that they won't represent her because of death threats. Complete bollox. It's because the womans case is a complete freaking fraud. How it got this far? Well, this is Ireland. Can you imagine any Irish person making trip after trip to the High Court No, I cannot.

Well, another load of money wasted in this sh1t hole...:mad:

BTW, I do not blame her at all. She is simply doing the best she can to stay here; we are the actual problem, the system!

Bandit12

Way to ride the system Pam :rolleyes:

okioffice84

Why would she want to stay in this Sh!thole?

Lollipops23

As mentioned before, FGM is not commonly practiced in Nigeria these days nor for sometime. Now I was all supportive of her case when it was reported on originally, because, having written a paper on FGM for college, I was horrified at it.

However, how that woman can lie about something so savage in order to stay in this shíthole of a country is beyond me!The neck of her, still going at this stage trying to stay in the cushy set up she's got here...she should be kicked out and back to Nigeria.

Victor_M

Despite the monumental case against this absolute time and money wasting fraudster, I'm surprised that at least one member of the boards.ie high horse PC brigade hasn't paid a visit, there were loads of do-gooders supporting her before forged death certificates evidence was produced.

I'll gladly chip in for a one way ticket to Lagos for her if that the only thing keeping her here.

TheZohanS

I think it's called due process...I might be wrong. If it IS anything else then it's wrong.

johnathan woss

Victor_M wrote: »

Despite the monumental case against this absolute time and money wasting fraudster, I'm surprised that at least one member of the boards.ie high horse PC brigade hasn't paid a visit, there were loads of do-gooders supporting her before forged death certificates evidence was produced.

I'll gladly chip in for a one way ticket to Lagos for her if that the only thing keeping her here.

They will be quieter and quieter in the coming months, then will stop posting altogether, and then will return and probably be more right-wing in their opinions than most of the people they used to condescend to.

Ziggurat

As opposed to the moral proselytizing from boards right-whingers? Don't act as if it's only the left-wing posters that are guilty of maintaining a holier-than-thou attitude.

ham_n_mustard

jackpalance wrote: »

What are those Nigerians playing at?

normally its online poker

but on a serious note, the whole third world knows we're a soft touch race at this stage

ascanbe

I'm about to bring some left - wing holier than thouness to the party right now; or at least some sanity.
Why is this woman being treated as some despicable criminal on here for using the judicial process of this country in order to do what she percieves as benifiting her and her children?
I have no idea if she has told lies; when she has exhausted the legal avenues available here if she is found to have done so she will be deported.
Let's just say she has told some lies? Does that make her so awful?
I'm pretty sure that everyone on here is related to, knows or is someone who has lied and flouted the laws of another country for their own benifit.
Should all the Irish people who have lived and worked illegally in America over the years be regarded as terrible people?
I don't think so. So why should she?
Really can't understand the vilification of her by some on here; presuming you're all motivated by rationale and justice.
If not then I suppose I can.

aftermn

Part of me understands where she is coming from in following this thing to the very end.

it appears that her use of false documents has been proven, but maybe if I was in her position i would have done so to.

However the question on hand is why is she still here. The answer to this has nothing to do with her. It has to do with the manner in which our own legal profession is funded, and the willingness of our judges to continue/facilitate that funding.

She is not paying for the representation, we are.

Other convicted persons have over 80 previous, but are also 'facilitated' by our judges. Such 'facilitation' may suit the profession but does nothing for our society.

netwhizkid

ascanbe wrote: »

I'm about to bring some left - wing holier than thouness to the party right now; or at least some sanity.
Why is this woman being treated as some despicable criminal on here for using the judicial process of this country in order to do what she percieves as benifiting her and her children?
I have no idea if she has told lies; when she has exhausted the legal avenues available here if she is found to have done so she will be deported.
Let's just say she has told some lies? Does that make her so awful?
I'm pretty sure that everyone on here is related to, knows or is someone who has lied and flouted the laws of another country for their own benifit.
Should all the Irish people who have lived and worked illegally in America over the years be regarded as terrible people?
I don't think so. So why should she?
Really can't understand the vilification of her by some on here; presuming you're all motivated by rationale and justice.
If not then I suppose I can.

She is a lier and has claimed she had a kid in 1994 which was lies, she came to Ireland under false pretences and has contributed nothing to Ireland other than tying up our legal system and costing the state money. She is not welcome in Ireland in my opinion over this. Oh yes the "Irish in America" argument, if this counts for anything it is that Americans are welcome in Ireland, I can't remember too many Irish settling in Nigeria over the centuries on the other hand.

There is fairness and justice but this woman has no place in Ireland and god help our future generations if people have not even got enough backbone to stand up and say enough is enough and deport her immediately.

I suggest anyone feeling sympathetic to this woman take two spoons of this stuff at night and eventually you may see sense. Even the most liberal marxists have now distanced this selves from her cause.

ascanbe

netwhizkid wrote: »

She is a lier and has claimed she had a kid in 1994 which was lies, she came to Ireland under false pretences and has contributed nothing to Ireland other than tying up our legal system and costing the state money. She is not welcome in Ireland in my opinion over this. Oh yes the "Irish in America" argument, if this counts for anything it is that Americans are welcome in Ireland, I can't remember too many Irish settling in Nigeria over the centuries on the other hand.

There is fairness and justice but this woman has no place in Ireland and god help our future generations if people have not even got enough backbone to stand up and say enough is enough and deport her immediately.

I suggest anyone feeling sympathetic to this woman take two spoons of this stuff at night and eventually you may see sense. Even the most liberal marxists have now distanced this selves from her cause.

Your 'Americans welcome here' bit makes no sense. What has that got to do with anything?
Nigerians emigrating here are more akin to the first Irish to emigrate to America.
God help our future generations? Yeah, God help them if we abandon due process and instead rely on whether the likes of you consider people 'welcome' here.
As for the rest of your post; I couldn't be bothered responding.

ascanbe

aftermn wrote: »

Part of me understands where she is coming from in following this thing to the very end.

it appears that her use of false documents has been proven, but maybe if I was in her position i would have done so to.

However the question on hand is why is she still here. The answer to this has nothing to do with her. It has to do with the manner in which our own legal profession is funded, and the willingness of our judges to continue/facilitate that funding.

She is not paying for the representation, we are.

Other convicted persons have over 80 previous, but are also 'facilitated' by our judges. Such 'facilitation' may suit the profession but does nothing for our society.

My post didn't go into the whether our judicial process is currently ideal; not many of the previous posts referred to this and those that did didn't bother to use any fact, coherent argument etc.
This tread had degenerated into an attack on her character and then, by extension, other Nigerians, immigrants etc; that's what I was taking issue with.
Our judicial process is as it is at the moment; that's why she is still here.
People who take issue with our current legal system and feel it should be changed are entitled to that view.
I never said they weren't.

netwhizkid

ascanbe wrote: »

Your 'Americans welcome here' bit makes no sense. What has that got to do with anything?
Nigerians emigrating here are more akin to the first Irish to emigrate to America.
God help our future generations? Yeah, God help them if we abandon due process and instead rely on whether the likes of you consider people 'welcome' here.
As for the rest of your post; I couldn't be bothered responding.

There is no due process she has already admitted she is a fraud and should be deported. Nigerians immigrating to Ireland are nothing similar to the Irish going to america. The differences are incalculable. Irish immigrants were settling a new continent where people were wanted and needed; themselves, the Germans and Brits built America to where it is today and created the worlds greatest superpower.

In Ireland we have more people than we have employment for and our economy has collapsed, Irish people are leaving yet people still advocate inward migration into Ireland, this is a ludicrous situation and must be stopped immediately.

green123

Rosco1982 wrote: »

I can't believe she has the neck to take things this far.

Firstly her asylum claim should have never been heard in this country. The first "safe" country she landed in was the UK.

Secondly regardless of the merits of her FGM case, Nigeria is a member of ECOWAS - meaning Nigerians can move to 14/15 other neighbouring countries without the need for a visa. Just like we can move elsewhere in Europe. So she has options open to her if she feels she is being persecuted, international protection (i.e. asylum) is supposed to be a last resort.

Thirdly FGM is not practised in all of Nigeria, it's outlawed in a good proportion of Nigerian states meaning she does not even have to leave Nigeria to avoid FGM.

She has absolutely no case under the Convention and shouldn't be entertained in any way.

great post

the pamela case is just the tip of the iceberg.
there should be almost no nigerians in this country.

they have lots of chances to claim asylum before they arrive in ireland, so why dont they ?

aftermn

But your question did ask why she was still here.

My answer makes no mention of her colour, gender or ethnicity. In fact I state that her presence has more to do with the funding of our legal system.

She is not failing in any way, our system is.

green123

our system is way too soft and too easy to exploit.
they know that, they are told that when they are deciding where to go to claim asylum.
thats why they dont claim asylum in other countries nearer to them or other countries along the way.
it is all a big scam.
economic asylum

opo

Perhaps she is representing herself so that she may apply to come off record (following threats or whatever found in an email or overheard on the bus) and have the case dismissed.

That might be worth another dozen appeals and five years or so in the courts?

arybvtcw0eolkf

aftermn wrote: »

She is not failing in any way

From day one she has failed to tell the truth = EPIC FAIL.

Bandit12

We are suckers that's why. To many do gooders in this country.

Agent Smith

Good to see my Income tax Being put to good use.


I have no Problem with ireland being a safe-haven for people who Need protection, But Not for people who are scrounging off the state.

Joey the lips

Two things come to mind on this case

1. Its clearly the legal system that is at fault. We seem to be a terriable country when it comes to laws. We can pass carbon laws in 6 months, plastic bag taxes in 6 days and water rates in 6 min's. How long has the pamela sh1t been going on. Bet the loopholes still have not been closed yet!

2. If she had no kids then i think she would be gone. I think the law is more protective when someone has kids. While this is good. This is where i think the problem lies and they know this when they come here!

PoleStar

The crux problem in this case is the Irish legal system.

Unlike most other countries, in Ireland you have an automatic right to appeal to a higher court. This is not the case in other countries. Therefore she can keep going with her appeals right to the top.

This illustrates a great flaw with "the system". The system was created by the people (via our elected representatives). It is not a tangible "thing", it is a set of rules set down by us. And yet now it is not us that rules the system but it is the system that rules us.

Most of us would recognise that while all deportees should have the right to a fair hearing, the idea of going through appeal after appeal is a very injudicious use of resources. And yet the system allows it. Surely it should be a simple matter for a bill to be passed which states that deportation cases can be dealt with in the circuit courts and allow appeal there in certain circumstances.

In any case, under the Geneva Convention, agreed by European countries, asylum seekers must seek asylum in the first county where they land. Therefore as there are no direct flights to Ireland from Nigeria, not a single Nigerian is entitled to seek asylum in this country. I simply dont understand why they cant be sent back to the other European country from which they flew into Ireland.

By the way, I do feel that Ireland should offer asylum to those who are genuinely in need of our help. However it is cases like this that sour the views of Irish people against them, and generate anger towards groups such as Residents Against Racism. What I dont understand is how such groups support cases like this. If they were to stand against her and recommend her deportation, it would generate more support for genuine asylum seekers.

Victor_M

green123 wrote: »

great post

the pamela case is just the tip of the iceberg.
there should be almost no nigerians in this country.

they have lots of chances to claim asylum before they arrive in ireland, so why dont they ?

Unfortunately this is not the case, due to the aptly named Dublin Convention, effectively a loophole for economic migrants to travel via a few countries to get to the most generous soft touch country which suits their lifestyle needs best.
If an Asylum seeker, lets call her Pamela for example gets wind that there are loads of hand outs and free stuff in this small little cold country half a world away, she can book a flight to Dublin via a Schipol normally, as long as she doesn't leave the airport on the way, Ireland is deemed to be her first port of entry.

It's a bloody disgrace, there are so many actual genuine asylum seekers who really need the protection and hospitality of the Irish nation, she (Pamela) has done immeasurable damage to the plight of real asylum seekers, the sort of people who are genuinely fearing for their lives and their kids lives, not repeating a well rehearsed line that gets them through customs and straight to the department of Foreign Affairs in a taxi with the hands out.

Between the Dublin convention and the Nice treaty we were the laughing stock of Nigeria for 10 years.

Terry

Pedro K wrote: »

^
There's nothing off about this case at all.. She should be sent back to Nigeria.

This has been discussed in depth on the politics forum.

Yeah, but it hasn't been discussed AH style.

netwhizkid wrote: »

If she is not removed from Ireland she should be imprisoned here. She is more than likely being bankrolled by the Labour party and Amnesty. Ireland is the laughing stock of Africa and if we do not close the doors on immigration then soon there will be no Ireland left. It is a disgrace and she should be deported along time ago. People have even sent her lawyers "death threats" no doubt an attempt to flash the race card in an attempt to get sympathy from some liberal idiots here.

The person who sent the postcard claimed to be Nigerian.
Race card is null and void.