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Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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  • #632
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    I have to ask (may have been asked previously but I've not gone through thread fully in some time):

    In her time here in Ireland, where was she living / staying? if she was living in rented accomodation, who was paying the rent?

    During her court fairytales, who was footing the bill for her defense? and as the case escallated, and I'd assume the cost increased, who was paying for the defense lawyers?

    Just wondering.


  • #633
    solerina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭solerina


    aligator_am wrote: »
    I have to ask (may have been asked previously but I've not gone through thread fully in some time):

    In her time here in Ireland, where was she living / staying? if she was living in rented accomodation, who was paying the rent?

    During her court fairytales, who was footing the bill for her defense? and as the case escallated, and I'd assume the cost increased, who was paying for the defense lawyers?

    Just wondering.
    I like to know that too, Im assuming the answer is that you and I (the taxpayers) are, makes my blood boil.


  • #634
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,678 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The key point is that I think it wasn't her who was paying.
    Any average Irish person wouldn't stand a chance to go to
    court the amount of times she has. They'd be crippled.

    High Court? Would 10 K be a fair price for an appearance?
    She has been there many times..

    She really has shown the state up as very weak. The legal system
    has been exposed as stinking. Weak, bent, and completely unsure
    of itself. And, the EU isn't much better. The supposed best legal brains
    in Europe, and Pamela is still beating them up.


  • #635
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    walshb wrote: »
    The key point is that I think it wasn't her who was paying.
    Any average Irish person wouldn't stand a chance to go to
    court the amount of times she has. They'd be crippled.

    High Court? Would 10 K be a fair price for an appearance?
    She has been there many times..

    She really has shown the state up as very weak. The legal system
    has been exposed as stinking. Weak, bent, and completely unsure
    of itself. And, the EU isn't much better. The supposed best legal brains
    in Europe, and Pamela is still beating them up.

    And the question remains, during this long drawn out process, where was she staying? with friends? or in rented accommodation? if rented, then who was paying the rent? I think it's a fair question.

    Irrelevant of the other listed expenses being pushed on the taxpayer, where was she getting the money for rent?

    Who was footing the bill for this charlatan to play her games?


  • #636
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    This case is making me sick to the core, the likes of RAR have created a scenario whereby if you even question the legitimacy of a nigerian asylum claim you are branded a racist.

    The main issue with the likes of PI and her non legitimate asylum seeking neighbours is that they are not the sort of people you want to be importing, These 'social climbers', and that's all they are, are scamming their way into a life of lazy luxury at our expense, they heard of this place thats stupid enough to give out thousands and thousands of euro for nothing more than a few porkies and having a load of kids, and they came in droves, amazing that Nigeria was one of the first countries to recognise the weakness of the good Friday agreement.

    I have met many many of them ( asylum seekers, the vast majority of whom are nigerian) over the years and their arrogant sense of entitlement would put John O'Donoghue to shame! They are all remarkably well versed on their 'rights' too.

    The social problem hasn't even started yet, in a few years when the children of the scammers grow up they will have had the wonderful example of their parents with their hands out to show them how to milk the system, they reproduce at a ridiculous rate and will exponentially milk our system forever, unless we do something about it.

    Every claim should be re-reviewed with an instant no quibbles deportation (like in the UsA) if it's not 100% kosher.

    A bit like the bank guarantee is there no way to reverse decisions that were in hindsight made for the right reasons but not airtight enough to prevent exploitation? That's a serious question by the way


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  • #637
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Victor_M wrote: »
    This case (.....)by the way

    Anecdotes, generalisations and total shite. Thats almost a perfect post.


  • #638
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    Anecdotes, generalisations and total shite. Thats almost a perfect post.

    And as long as there are enough people like you who to charge to the defence of the asylum seekers regardless of the almost comical reputation for dishonesty that Nigeria has at this stage they will continue to exploit your trust/ our stupid loop holes.

    Answer this, why pre-GFA were there almost no asylum seekers from Nigeria in Ireland? Did something terrible happen in Nigeria at the same time the GFA was signed that just led to a huge influx of heavily pregnant Nigerian women arriving to our shores?

    You have by far the largest number of posts in this long and old thread, why I wonder?


  • #639
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Victor_M wrote: »
    And as long as there are enough people like you who to charge to the defence of the asylum seekers regardless of the almost comical reputation for dishonesty that Nigeria has at this stage they will continue to exploit your trust/ our stupid loop holes.
    ?

    So asylum seekers=Nigerians now? Do explain this sudden turn of events.


  • #640
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    So asylum seekers=Nigerians now? Do explain this sudden turn of events.

    No turn of events, I presumed my comment regarding Nigerias comical reputation as possibly the most dishonest nation on earth, in a thread about a lying criminal Nigerian asylum seeker would have been enough.

    But to clarify for Nodin, to prevent him derailing any further, I'm specifically making reference to Nigerian 'asylum seekers'*

    * not to be mistaken with real genuine asylum seekers, whose lives are actually miserable and whom are in genuine need of asylum.


  • #641
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Victor_M wrote: »
    No turn of events, I presumed my comment regarding Nigerias comical reputation as possibly the most dishonest nation on earth, in a thread about a lying criminal Nigerian asylum seeker would have been enough..

    Dear jesus - did one of them run over your cat and say they didn't do it or something?

    You did say earlier
    I have met many many of them ( asylum seekers, the vast majority of whom are nigerian) over the years and their arrogant sense of entitlement would put John O'Donoghue to shame! They are all remarkably well versed on their 'rights' too.

    so its not exactly a wild bit of speculation on my part to think thats what you meant. Do you have any statistics to show that Nigerians make up the "vast majority" of Asylum seekers?

    Victor_M wrote: »
    But to clarify for Nodin, to prevent him derailing any further, I'm specifically making reference to Nigerian 'asylum seekers'*..

    So you're saying theres no reason anyone from Nigeria might need to seek asylum...?


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  • #642
    The High King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭The High King


    It appears that we really are going to have to legalise marijuana sooner rather than later. This is just not good. Who does this woman think she is ?


  • #643
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The High King wrote: »
    It appears that we really are going to have to legalise marijuana sooner rather than later. This is just not good. Who does this woman think she is ?

    You know you were killed by the Vikings?


  • #644
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying theres no reason anyone from Nigeria might need to seek asylum...?

    You tell me why a Nigerian would come all the way to Ireland to seek asylum, & not a neighbouring country, let's not forget, Asylum isnt a lifestyle enhancement it's supposed to be to protect people whose lives are at risk, not those who want a 42" plasma and a free apartment. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    As I said in an earlier post, I have met many asylum seekers, most of them nigerians, and the most arrogant lazy pompous ones are the nigerians.

    Do you agree that fraudulent cases should result in immediate deportation, or should every PI that's waiting in the shadows be afforded hundreds of thousands of euro worth of benefit of the doubt?

    Retrospective fraudulent claims should result in deportation too, replace every deported Nigerian with an actual asylum seeker and this country would be a better place for it.


  • #645
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Nodin it is a known fact in Nigeria that Ireland is a soft touch and easy pickings.
    I have visited Nigeria and in remote parts people were showing me their Irish passport with a big grin.
    Only middle class or scam artists can afford passage to Ireland from Nigeria,you need to wake up and look around you it's all a scam and predominantly abused by Nigerians.
    I have spoken to many here they joke about and will take as much as they can it's their mission to bleed the system and this country with people like you arehelping them continue the party.


  • #646
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Victor_M wrote: »
    You tell me why a Nigerian would come all the way to Ireland to seek asylum, & not a neighbouring country, let's not forget, Asylum isnt a lifestyle enhancement it's supposed to be to protect people whose lives are at risk, not those who want a 42" plasma and a free apartment. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    My understanding is that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in (within Europe), now unless there's are some secret teleportation pads spread throughout Africa (in this case) that lead directly to Ireland, I'm not sure how these individuals can claim aslyum here as I'd imagine they likely landed somewhere else first.

    So if they landed in Spain first, was the done thing to pass on the AS to Ireland?


  • #647
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Victor_M wrote: »
    You tell me why a Nigerian would come all the way to Ireland to seek asylum,..

    So they don't get bumped off, for one....
    http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=7996
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Saro-Wiwa
    http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/comment/34801
    Victor_M wrote: »
    & not a neighbouring country, let's not forget, Asylum isnt a lifestyle enhancement it's supposed to be to protect people whose lives are at risk, not those who want a 42" plasma and a free apartment. Etc. Etc. Etc..

    I'm sorry, but whats this about a free apartment and plasma tv?

    Victor_M wrote: »
    As I said in an earlier post, I have met many asylum seekers, most of them nigerians, and the most arrogant lazy pompous ones are the nigerians. ..

    So are you trying to present that wonderful anecdote as a fact that represents the actual situation, or just your own personal experience, filtered thru your biases, which may not reflect the overall state of affairs? If the former, I'd appreciate some stats to back it up, please-the bit about them being the majority, not your generalised crap.
    Victor_M wrote: »
    Do you agree that fraudulent cases should result in immediate deportation, or should every PI that's waiting in the shadows be afforded hundreds of thousands of euro worth of benefit of the doubt..

    Fradulent cases should result in deportation after proper investigation. PI's documentation was only established as fradulent in Feb-March 2009. One might wonder precisely why it took that long to properly examine a claim and assess its merits, rather than just offer refusals without procedure.


  • #648
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    aligator_am wrote: »
    My understanding is that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in (within Europe),.....?

    That isn't the case.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=3


  • #649
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    Dear jesus - did one of them run over your cat and say they didn't do it or something?

    You did say earlier



    so its not exactly a wild bit of speculation on my part to think thats what you meant. Do you have any statistics to show that Nigerians make up the "vast majority" of Asylum seekers?




    So you're saying theres no reason anyone from Nigeria might need to seek asylum...?
    aligator_am wrote: »
    My understanding is that you must claim asylum in the first country you land in (within Europe), now unless there's are some secret teleportation pads spread throughout Africa (in this case) that lead directly to Ireland, I'm not sure how these individuals can claim aslyum here as I'd imagine they likely landed somewhere else first.

    So if they landed in Spain first, was the done thing to pass on the AS to Ireland?

    That is a common mistake, a rule, ironically known as the Dublin convention/regulation allows asylum seekers claim asylum in any member state not nessecarily they first one they land in.


  • #650
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    beagle001 wrote: »
    Nodin it is a known fact in Nigeria that Ireland is a soft touch and easy pickings..

    ...despite the fact we've consistently one of the lowest rates of approval for Asylum seekers in Europe? waiting years for claims to be processed? 19 Euro a week?
    beagle001 wrote: »
    I have visited Nigeria (.............)ue the party.

    Your convincing anecdote has changed my mind utterly.




    No, really.


  • #651
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Nodin you obviously have no experience with these folk or never encounter many.
    Open your eyes and have a look around any housing estate with Nigerians.
    Most often they are in a government housing scheme,nice car outside and the unemployment rate amongst working males is amazingly high I wonder why.


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  • #652
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    beagle001 wrote: »
    Nodin you obviously have no experience with these folk or never encounter many.
    Open your eyes and have a look around any housing estate with Nigerians.
    Most often they are in a government housing scheme,nice car outside and the unemployment rate amongst working males is amazingly high I wonder why.

    My translator makes that
    'Jaysus nodin, I'll just ignore all those inconvenient facts ye threw in and counter with an anecdote'

    Nobody has mentioned 'Ivory Tower', 'PC' or 'Liberal' in ages....


  • #653
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    beagle001 wrote: »
    unemployment rate amongst working males is amazingly high I wonder why.

    The unemployment rate amongst Nigerian asylum seekers is high?


  • #654
    beagle001
    Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Can you please use any other word but anecdote


  • #655
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Victor_M wrote: »
    That is a common mistake, a rule, ironically known as the Dublin convention/regulation allows asylum seekers claim asylum in any member state not nessecarily they first one they land in.

    Ah Ok, I stand corrected on this, so that means that an individual can arrive in any EU member state then pick which one they chose to migrate to?

    Seems if that is the case then it made Ireland a perfect target to "offload" AS' on in the eyes of other EU member states.


  • #656
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    beagle001 wrote: »
    Can you please use any other word but anecdote


    Well I thought it more polite than the alternatives that occurred to me.


  • #657
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    aligator_am wrote: »
    Ah Ok, I stand corrected on this, so that means that an individual can arrive in any EU member state then pick which one they chose to migrate to?

    Seems if that is the case then it made Ireland a perfect target to "offload" AS' on in the eyes of other EU member states.

    http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-29032011-AP/EN/3-29032011-AP-EN.PDF
    In 2010, the highest number of applicants were registered in France (51 600 applicants) followed by Germany
    (48 500), Sweden (31 900), Belgium (26 100), the United Kingdom (23 700), the Netherlands (15 100), Austria
    (11 100), Greece (10 300), Italy (10 100) and Poland (6 500). These ten Member States accounted for more than
    90% of applicants registered in the EU27 in 2010.

    ....Ireland (1 940)


  • #658
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    Time for me to get the nearest plane out of Ireland. We're too thick, inassertive and gullible to do anything about freeloaders in this country. I've seen beggars handing out paper towels in the toilets being given two euro coins by gobsh!tes regularly. Our country is being destroyed by these parasites and we're too thick to react

    LOL you are being deliberately ironic aren't you?!



    I always find that the strength of an argument in AH is usually in inverse proportion to the amount of anecdotes used to back it up, and vice versa...


  • #659
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...despite the fact we've consistently one of the lowest rates of approval for Asylum seekers in Europe? waiting years for claims to be processed? 19 Euro a week?



    Your convincing anecdote has changed my mind utterly.




    No, really.

    http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171

    Have a read of this dating back to 2005 when the flood gates were well and truly wide open.

    In particular this

    The Minister stated:

    "A small but well placed minority of commentators have sought to create the impression that Ireland's treatment of asylum seekers is harsh and unfair. They have consistently concealed the real facts from the Irish people. Moreover, they have sought to create the impression that anyone who points out the true situation is engaging in political racism. They hint at international comparisons which do not exist.

    They refuse to address the very large abuse of asylum protection in Ireland. They claim to believe that it is wrong to point out what is happening lest it create prejudice against genuine asylum seekers. They are engaging in a form of verbal intimidation of those who would tell the truth."

    Thats Michael McDowell talking sense back in 2005, but the likes of Nodin, RAR etc scream at the top of their lungs whenever anyone suggests, despite the overwhelming evidence that the Nigerian Asylum seekers are taking total and utter advantage of our lack of experience in dealing with lying chancers.


  • #660
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,678 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Oh Nodin, how I crave to live in your world, where all runs so smoothly..

    Victor nailed it, and nailed you in the process, Nodin.

    I said it earlier, it's not the scam artists and asylum seekers who are the problem, it is those defending, encouraging, and down playing it all.


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  • #661
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,678 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Victor_M wrote: »
    That is a common mistake, a rule, ironically known as the Dublin convention/regulation allows asylum seekers claim asylum in any member state not nessecarily they first one they land in.

    Yes, and yet they still bypass other countries to get to this one, why?
    They do not land in Eire first.


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