Junior Cert 2011: History

Mr. Rager · 15-06-2011 08:20PM

Am I the only person that wrote about the monk in early Christian Ireland?

spurious · 15-06-2011 08:21PM

Just reading the posts here - were you given six events in close proximity and asked to put them in chronological order?
That's a very specific skill which many people do not develop until their 20s, if at all - a very difficult question for Junior Cert level.

anirishlad · 15-06-2011 08:24PM

President wilson was the repersentative for america i think

And yeah thats it spurious it didnt look that bad though(didnt do that question though)

shadowninty · 15-06-2011 08:24PM

Yup:
Hitler entering Rhineland
Germany leaving League of Nations
Anschluss (union with Austria)
Munich conference
Nazi-Soviet non aggression pact

--There was one other one which I can't recall.

shadowninty · 15-06-2011 08:25PM

anirishlad wrote: »

President wilson was the repersentative for america i think

That's what I said

flump_master · 15-06-2011 08:36PM

shadowninty wrote: »

Yup:
Hitler entering Rhineland
Germany leaving League of Nations
Anschluss (union with Austria)
Munich conference
Nazi-Soviet non aggression pact

--There was one other one which I can't recall.

It was:
Germany leaving league of nations (1933)
The remiltarisation of the rhineland (1936)
The Rome-Berlin axis (1936)
Anschluss (1938)
Munich confrence (1938)
Nazi Soviet Non-agression pact (1939)

Desire. · 15-06-2011 08:38PM

robinrobin wrote: »

Am I the only one who just crammed for five minutes before the exam?

I did! :pac:

robinrobin wrote: »

I started writing and I wrote three pages!

I got two good pages per essay!

Just saying, but you don't need to write that much at all. You're probably writing too much.

ohdechertig · 15-06-2011 08:41PM

flump_master wrote: »

It was:
Germany leaving league of nations (1933)
The remiltarisation of the rhineland (1936)
The Rome-Berlin axis (1936)
Anschluss (1938)
Munich confrence (1938)
Nazi Soviet Non-agression pact (1939)

Yes! I got it!

I knew the Nazi Soviet Non-Aggression pact was last, since they signed that JUST before they invaded Poland.

shadowninty · 15-06-2011 08:44PM

flump_master wrote: »

It was:
Germany leaving league of nations (1933)
The remiltarisation of the rhineland (1936)
The Rome-Berlin axis (1936)
Anschluss (1938)
Munich confrence (1938)
Nazi Soviet Non-agression pact (1939)

I forgot the Axis thanks

All right so, hopefully that 3% will get me an A

robman60 · 15-06-2011 08:55PM

Huh, looks like another six marks have gone... :rolleyes:

I would have known if that part of my brain had developed dammit!

Slow Show · 15-06-2011 09:09PM

spurious wrote: »

Just reading the posts here - were you given six events in close proximity and asked to put them in chronological order?
That's a very specific skill which many people do not develop until their 20s, if at all - a very difficult question for Junior Cert level.

Really? I didn't find it to be too bad, it was a bit annoying how I knew some things had happened in the same year, it really was just a matter of trying to remember what came first in my textbook. I just put one in the wrong place, I think, I don't know how they'll mark it though...

FatRat · 15-06-2011 09:21PM

Problem with that question was that if you made a mistake with the first one and got the rest in the right order ........ you'd get 0.

For example, at first, I had the munich conference as the first thing that happened. I had everything after that in right order as in the next was germany leaving the league of nations etc.....
But if I had kept that, germany leaving the league would have been no.2 remilitirization of rhineland no.3 and so on.
I would have gotten EVERYTHING wrong. Thank god I remembered that the Munich conference was later on. I said it was last. I got it wrong but at least I only lost 2 marks docked as opposed to 6.
I sure people made the mistake I just mentioned and it could cost them a lot. So Spurious is right. It was too difficult. Why not just another match up question? They should have given the dates and told us to match them up with the right ones.

spurious · 15-06-2011 09:24PM

FatRat wrote: »

Problem with that question was that if you made a mistake with the first one and got the rest in the right order ........ you'd get 0.

Exactly - it's an unfair question.
There will be a merry discussion about that at the marking conference.

VERY few people will have it completely correct.

Lucan Bohs · 15-06-2011 09:26PM

fjsanchez wrote: »

Am I the only person that wrote about the monk in early Christian Ireland?

No.

robman60 · 15-06-2011 09:28PM

The marking scheme will probably be ammended to allow marks for having one event before another eor after another, if you get what I mean. I couldn't believe the question when I saw it to be honest. Especially given how close together the events were. it would have been fairer if some of the events were before the war, then during the war, then after the war, although that would probably be too easy.

SChique00 · 15-06-2011 09:36PM

Sources and Pictures: a bit of a bitch, especially the bit about civilisation effected by the war, but only 30 marks altogether, and attempted everything
Short Answer questions: Dead handy, did the 10 required then went back to do an extra four
People in History: Exactly as I had predicted, the Reformation and and Age of Explorations featured; I had prepared five of the six so was really happy that I had a choice. Ended up writing a page for Luther and a page for Columbus (had them learned off)
Sources question: Again, as I had predicted, the Industrial Revolution came up (bloody good thing too, because it was the only essay I prepared for! Up yours, Age Of Revolutions!). Chose the essay on housing and diets, and wrote about 3/4 to a page for it.
Short Answer/Essay: Let me down BIG TIME. Well, when I say big time I mean I was literally the only person in my year who did Social Change question, and people either took a sharp inhalation of breath or laughed in my face when I told them. I thought I did well enough; I tried really hard not to waffle (I'm a waffler at heart) and supported any points I made with reference to other points in the course. Did women and transport. Question C was going grand til I reached the bit where it said do 2 essays(!) I'd written about the Civil War in the Mocks (and got an A; go me!) and I winged it over the parts I was a bit dodgy on. Even more luckily I'd read a bit on the Inter-Party government JUST BEFORE I WENT IN, so I did good on that one.
My prediction: everyone told me that my doing the Social Change question was an invitation to fail, so my confidence has taken a plunge since 4.30 today. I'm aiming for a high B, low A (but let's not ask for miracles). Did anybody else do social change? What did you think?

Slow Show · 15-06-2011 09:36PM

FatRat wrote: »

Problem with that question was that if you made a mistake with the first one and got the rest in the right order ........ you'd get 0.

I kinda doubt that's how it would happen though...I'd say if you put one in the wrong place, you'd just lose 1 mark, and they'd continue with...well, it's hard to explain but I ended up saying Germany left the league of nations right before the Nazi-Soviet Pact (ughhhhh why did I do that, I had some idea they left before invading Czechoslovakia) so I had that as 5...which if you wanted to be harsh, only the Nazi-Soviet Pact would be right. But everything else was in a correct order (except one place forward), so I think I'll get 5/6....hopefully. That's one marking scheme I look forward to seeing, I reckon there'll be a dispute over it at the marking conference, and most people there are teachers who will probably consider it a very unfair question, and mark it accordingly.

Hopefully.

Mr. Rager · 15-06-2011 09:40PM

Lucan Bohs wrote: »

No.

Well your just swell

FatRat · 15-06-2011 09:45PM

Slow Show wrote: »

I kinda doubt that's how it would happen though...I'd say if you put one in the wrong place, you'd just lose 1 mark, and they'd continue with...well, it's hard to explain but I ended up saying Germany left the league of nations right before the Nazi-Soviet Pact (ughhhhh why did I do that, I had some idea they left before invading Czechoslovakia) so I had that as 5...which if you wanted to be harsh, only the Nazi-Soviet Pact would be right. But everything else was in a correct order (except one place forward), so I think I'll get 5/6....hopefully. That's one marking scheme I look forward to seeing, I reckon there'll be a dispute over it at the marking conference, and most people there are teachers who will probably consider it a very unfair question, and mark it accordingly.

Hopefully.

Thats how it should be marked, but thats not how it was asked. You said germany left the league as number 5? That means you should only get 1 mark, because the only one you got right is number 6, the nazi soviet pact one. For example this is what I suppose you had:

1. Demilitarisation. - Answer is 2
2. Rome-Berlin axis - Answer is 3
3. Anschluss - Answer is 4
4. Munich conference - Answer is 5
5. Germany leave league - Answer is 1
6. Nazi-Soviet Pact - You got this right

So, if you look at it, all you had right was number 6!
Yeh, I doubt they will mark it like this, but you'd never know. They better not though.

Lucan Bohs · 15-06-2011 10:17PM

fjsanchez wrote: »

Well your just swell

.

MadameBlahBlah · 15-06-2011 10:21PM

I honestly thought history was going to be one of my highest scoring exams in the junior cert my average is 99%. In the pre I got 98% and my teacher finds it hard to mark me down in test as everything is in there. (not boasting) The pictures and documents were alot harder than previous years. The documents did not contain half the answer like they usually do and were really confussing. Eg. The Eamon De Velera one asked about Japan and Germany but they didn't mention Japan or Germany in the piece!

The short questions were ok until I was ready to go down and do my ww2 questions to find there were none!What a joke! The syllabus says Irish OR european history and they let the people who studied european history come up short!!!

Wasn't expecting a landowner so I got half marks in the essay. But did a really good monk so hopefully....

The questions in question 5 were stupid and never seen before....eviction has never been asked like that before...and 2 reasons blight created the famine...2!! I could only think of one without repeating my self.

What did you say for the bailiff question?Anyone?

Question 6a was ok not the best, but really rushed as I was strapped for time,
6d brought me to tears! I knew everything but what they asked for, what was up with the first question they were all so close together (P.S. IT WAS ONE MARK PER RIGHT QUESTION 1x6 BUT IF YOU GOT ONE WRONG ANOTHER MUST BE OUT OF SEQUENCE SO THERES 2 MARKS MAYBE 3....)

Will be lucky to get a b....:( Totted up the worst case scenario...gone from a straight a student to 60% scraper!

AllisonB · 15-06-2011 10:28PM

SChique00 wrote: »

Sources and Pictures: a bit of a bitch, especially the bit about civilisation effected by the war, but only 30 marks altogether, and attempted everything
Short Answer questions: Dead handy, did the 10 required then went back to do an extra four
People in History: Exactly as I had predicted, the Reformation and and Age of Explorations featured; I had prepared five of the six so was really happy that I had a choice. Ended up writing a page for Luther and a page for Columbus (had them learned off)
Sources question: Again, as I had predicted, the Industrial Revolution came up (bloody good thing too, because it was the only essay I prepared for! Up yours, Age Of Revolutions!). Chose the essay on housing and diets, and wrote about 3/4 to a page for it.
Short Answer/Essay: Let me down BIG TIME. Well, when I say big time I mean I was literally the only person in my year who did Social Change question, and people either took a sharp inhalation of breath or laughed in my face when I told them. I thought I did well enough; I tried really hard not to waffle (I'm a waffler at heart) and supported any points I made with reference to other points in the course. Did women and transport. Question C was going grand til I reached the bit where it said do 2 essays(!) I'd written about the Civil War in the Mocks (and got an A; go me!) and I winged it over the parts I was a bit dodgy on. Even more luckily I'd read a bit on the Inter-Party government JUST BEFORE I WENT IN, so I did good on that one.
My prediction: everyone told me that my doing the Social Change question was an invitation to fail, so my confidence has taken a plunge since 4.30 today. I'm aiming for a high B, low A (but let's not ask for miracles). Did anybody else do social change? What did you think?

dont be so hard on yourself with the social change question. The whole thing of invitation to fail is myth. If you backed up answers and supplied facts you'll be grand

robman60 · 15-06-2011 11:39PM

I've never heard this critiscism of the Social Change question before, and I think that people saying it's impossible to get a good mark in it is untrue. I think i got 25/30 in the mocks for very mediocre answers.

shadowninty · 16-06-2011 08:16AM

robman60 wrote: »

I've never heard this critiscism of the Social Change question before, and I think that people saying it's impossible to get a good mark in it is untrue. I think i got 25/30 in the mocks for very mediocre answers.

...and the mocks are corrected terribly

matthew8 · 16-06-2011 01:24PM

shadowninty wrote: »

...and the mocks are corrected terribly

I was told our guy in the mocks was a guy who our teacher trusted and gets every year (And the teacher who said this was one who we could trust) and I got 26/30 on social change. At least half of the people doing social change in our year hadn't studied it more than an hour the night before (Or the break between French and History) so it would make sense if it was terribly answered. I don't think that any marker would not give you the marks if you provide a 3/4 page essay that had facts everywhere.

Cakeplease · 16-06-2011 01:33PM

I was really annoyed that the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't come up, but I knew the Berlin Blockade fairly well so it wasn't too bad. The first part of the International Relations question was horrible! I completely guessed:
Germany withdraws from league of nations
Remilitarisation of the Rhineland
Anschluss with Austria
Munich Conference
Rome-Berlin Axis
Nazi-Soviet Pact

Does anyone know how many marks I might get for that? I'm aware it's wrong, but I'd hate to lose the whole six marks!
I don't really know the little details about World War II so I hadn't planned to do it, but the other questions were nice and I LOATHE Social Change so I decided to go for it. I think I possibly got near enough to full marks on the rest of the question, maybe lost a mark or two on the Berlin Blockade question. I couldn't think of enough facts and only got about half a page done, as opposed to the page-and-a-bit I had learned off. Oh well, I was happy with the rest of the paper.
I skipped all of second year history so the Industrial Revolution and the Famine was a bit of a shock, but I'm fairly sure I was able to make it up pretty well. I also got to write about Martin Luther and Christopher Columbus, the only two essays I knew well enough to get close to full marks on. I'm awful happy.

SChique00 · 16-06-2011 02:30PM

robinrobin wrote: »

Am I the only one who just crammed for five minutes before the exam?
The Roman essay was great, I hoped that would come up.

I didn't know any essay in 4b, but remembered that I had written about Columbus last year. I started writing and I wrote three pages!

I hate the Celts, and haven't looked at them since whatever year we did them in. I was really surprised when I got two good pages per essay! I did the one about arts and crafts, and it was wonderful! I got to write about weaving, dying, metalwork, shoe making, tanning leather, shoe making, jewelry....
I also did the one about houses, and it went fine.

The short q's, pictures and documents are always easy!

I got 93% in my mock, and I did even less prep then, so I think an a.

I'm the exact same! I crammed like mad for Irish and Social Change questions for 6 because I knew **** all about WW2 and you can never tell what's gonna come up on the A part. Thank god I looked at the Inter-Party government just before I went in; managed to scrape 3/4 of a page together about their succession to De Valera, their leader John Costello, Noel Browne's TB drugs and their eventual downfall. Civil War was a little harder to write about because I'd written it for the mocks but hadn't looked at it since, but I bluffed my way through it and eventually some accurate statements came back.

Social change went well; immediately after everyone laughed at me when
I told them I wrote about it, so I'm assuming I was the only one to attempt it. Looking back, I thought it went pretty well; I never took it to be an easy question - even though most people would - and the only reason I did it was because I got full marks for it in the mocks (and I bull****ted my way through it that time with no study!)

I KNEW the Famine or Industrial Rev. would come up - in your face Age Of Revolutions! Got a good page for my answer there, and a page each for my PIH questions.

Overall, my optimism would set me at a low A, but I would be ok with a B (I wish they would release exact percentages though - at least that way you could guage what level you're really at. It's all well and good if you get an A, but a B has a huge range!) How'd science go for everyone? I screwed up BIG TIME there, and got given out to for leaving early :L

Joe95 · 16-06-2011 02:40PM

I actually found this test very easy. I got 25% in my pre's without any study, and I didn't do any study for the JC. I was only planning on spending 30 minutes writing in History, but I ended up doing 8 pages. I thought I wouldn't care what I get, but now I hope I get a B or a C. and yeah, I did honours.

Laurenn · 16-06-2011 03:56PM

I got 32% in my pres. I am terrible at history but this test wasn't too bad. Wrote 2 pages on Megellan for Q4 B (i) and around half a page for the rest of the essays. I am hoping for a high D... or maybe a C. But I think that's asking for too much, haha!

Junior Cert 2011: History

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