Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2009-2011

Daysha · 12-06-2011 11:05PM

shockframe wrote: »

For those quick to knock Davy Fitz he makes some very important decisions at vital times in games.Under Justin Waterford would not have made the comebacks against Galway in 2009, Cork in 2010 and todays win against Limerick.Bringing in Eoin Kelly against a tiring Limerick back line was not a bad move likewise calling on declan prendergast and ken mcgrath for the clare game last year.

That's true actually. Do you remember some of Justin's sideline decisions down the years? A few of them drove us up the wall. He spent most of 2006 playing Brick at full-forward.....Brick!

Fentdog84 · 12-06-2011 11:06PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Thurles is as much a home ground for the Waterford lads at this stage in fairness. They love playing there.

No.It's Tipp's home pitch. And they got a pretty good record there. Waterford might play there once or twice a year, Tipp maybe 6 or 7 times a year plus they train there. And for any match there they would bring a stronger support. i think they would have an advantage..

Daysha · 12-06-2011 11:08PM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

No.It's Tipp's home pitch. And they got a pretty good record there. Waterford might play there once or twice a year, Tipp maybe 6 or 7 times a year plus they train there. And for any match there they would bring a stronger support. i think they would have an advantage..

Tipp will have a stronger support regardless of if the game is in Thurles, Cork or Limerick. In fact going by the current trends you could have it in Walsh Park and you'd still wouldn't be surprised if there were more Tipp fans there.

premierstone · 12-06-2011 11:08PM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

No.It's Tipp's home pitch. And they got a pretty good record there. Waterford might play there once or twice a year, Tipp maybe 6 or 7 times a year plus they train there. And for any match there they would bring a stronger support. i think they would have an advantage..

They dont train there and when was the last time they played 6 or 7 times in one year there?

shockframe · 12-06-2011 11:11PM

Is it definitely Tipp in the final.

Did clare give a walkover or something.

flahavaj · 12-06-2011 11:14PM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

No.It's Tipp's home pitch. And they got a pretty good record there. Waterford might play there once or twice a year, Tipp maybe 6 or 7 times a year plus they train there. And for any match there they would bring a stronger support. i think they would have an advantage..

Well you said you' won't even be going so I'm not sure why you're do bothered. I know those who do give a f*ck would prefer to travel to Thurles than Limerick or Cork. This notion of "home" advantage is vastly overstated in GAA. Its not like soccer where a team plays in a ground overy 2 weeks and has 90% of the tickets allocated to their own fans. There will be equal numbers available to bothe counties and it will be on a pitch Waterford love playing on and have a superb record in over the years. If it was played in Cork or Limerick, Tipp would probably still have more fans.

Fentdog84 · 12-06-2011 11:21PM

shockframe wrote: »

Is it definitely Tipp in the final.

Did clare give a walkover or something.

No but they might as well do

STIG83 · 13-06-2011 12:01AM

We should be happy Waterford in a Munster Final, grand a few improvements are needed but we are avoiding the qualifer route and we are guaranteed at least an AI Quarter Final place but hopefully a AI semi final place.

egpower · 13-06-2011 08:17AM

Cake Man wrote: »

Looking at the highlights, I thought Clinton could have stopped the first LK goal, it skidded on the greasy surface but you would have expected him to save it. Bit disappointed with that one. But I very much doubt he'll be dropped now.

Would agree. It's always a big call to change a goalie (even at U10 level believe me!). I watched him in the warmup - I would say he saved about 10% of the shots that were fired at him.

calvin_zola · 13-06-2011 08:49AM

chinguetti wrote: »

Got out of jail but nothing to get excited about today.

Well you'll probably find alot of people excited at the prospect of another Munster Final

calvin_zola · 13-06-2011 08:51AM

egpower wrote: »

Would agree. It's always a big call to change a goalie (even at U10 level believe me!). I watched him in the warmup - I would say he saved about 10% of the shots that were fired at him.

Do you think he should have been jumping around and giving 110% saving balls in the warm up and risking injury?

I wouldn't blame him for any goal, he got touch on the first one, can't do an awful lot after that considering the conditions.

calvin_zola · 13-06-2011 08:53AM

KevIRL wrote: »

Christ I really hope this isnt the case. Just put it on in Thurles. The Munster hurling final should be held there every season imo.

Was there some motion put forward last year that all Munster Finals would be played in Thurles regardless of the teams contesting it.

egpower · 13-06-2011 09:09AM

Daysha wrote: »

That's true actually. Do you remember some of Justin's sideline decisions down the years? A few of them drove us up the wall. He spent most of 2006 playing Brick at full-forward.....Brick!

I won't get into the Davy is a muppet / hero discussion but I will say this. Sometimes you make a change and it works - manager = hero. Sometimes you make a change and it doesn't work / make no change and it ends badly - manager = muppet.

What would you regard as Brian Cody's top 3 tactical changes (personel switches) that worked so well for them in the last few years ? Likewise what did Liam Sheedy do as regards switches that was so impressive in recent years ? The point I am making is that you are taking a punt by making any change (or deciding not to). Any punt that you take is not guranteed.

calvin_zola · 13-06-2011 09:28AM

if any of ye are looking at replay of the match have a listen to the 67' minute, Marty Morriseys words -

"and limerick from division 2 have come under the guidance of Donal O Grady and knocked waterford out of the munster championship"

fast forward 2 mins

"a rocket nobody in limerick saw"

I think the only person who didn't see it coming was Marty, f**kin pleb want to sort his make up and commentary skills out

egpower · 13-06-2011 09:37AM

calvin_zola wrote: »

Do you think he should have been jumping around and giving 110% saving balls in the warm up and risking injury?

I wouldn't blame him for any goal, he got touch on the first one, can't do an awful lot after that considering the conditions.

No, he shouldn't be jumping around - what kind of a question is that ? But he should be able to save most of them. It's been said by many that he is not a great shot stopper but that he is a solid presence back there especially for high balls. In my view both comments are true.

The first one absolutely should have been stopped. No chance with Downes' goals.

Deise Tom · 13-06-2011 10:00AM

Fentdog84 wrote: »

So you would be happy to give Tipp home advantage then?

Didnt we want to give it to Cork last year. 2009 was a bit different. The Munster Final had to be in Thurles regardless of who was in it, given the year that was in it.

deisebhoy17 · 13-06-2011 10:01AM

Daysha wrote: »

. Brick as a potential FB is an awkward one. We tried that with Ken in 2008 and we ultimately learned that you cannot take your best player out of position just to make up numbers somewhere else.

Agreed. When Ken was taken back out of full back after that period there in 2008 his confidence was shot, and imo was never the same player since. Hed a nightmare all ireland final in 08 and it was just one injury after another from then on. If Davy gets it into his head that Brick is the man for fullback he obviously hasnt learned from his mistakes. Hes already contributed to the downfall of one of our greatest players we could do without a repeat of that. It was the right and obvious call to put Brick back there yesterday in an emergency situation but its not the long term answer.

Mountainlad is calling for Lawlor to be put in fullback praising his performances against Cork and Clare last year but fails to mention that he had a nightmare in the all Ireland semi against Tipp. I think he'll start there the next day as hes an alternative to Hutchinson. not necessarily because hes a better option.

The argument between Hennessey and Power for goals is a non-runner imo. Power might be better better at stopping close range shots but you wont see goals conceded going in over Hennesseys head or underneath his body like weve seen Power do in the past. We need a cool head and reliabilty in around the goal area which Hennessy provides. Shot stopping is just a bonus as far as hurling goalkeeping is concerned. The main thing is a safe pair of hands and a cool head under pressure.

Deise Tom · 13-06-2011 10:02AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Waterford would not object to a final in Thurles either would any Waterford supporter. Sure the Dublin Footballers played almost all of there Leinster finals in Croke Park which is in Dublin.

The difference however is that while Croke Park is in Dublin it is not owned by the Dublin County Board. Parnell Park is their home ground.

deiseach · 13-06-2011 10:12AM

I've knocked some time off any stay in purgatory by going to that game. Or perhaps I'm in hell. If you want to do some penance yourself you could read my match report here

premierstone · 13-06-2011 10:20AM

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

. Shot stopping is just a bonus as far as hurling goalkeeping is concerned. The main thing is a safe pair of hands and a cool head under pressure.

Thats a very simplistic view tbh, of course shot stoping is an integral part of being a goalkeeper, its what seperates the greats from the also rans Fitzhenry, Cummins and that lunatic of a manager of yers

they were/are all capable of making match winning saves, I can honestly say I have never seen Hennesy make any such save, its also one of the very reasons Galway have failed to deliver on all their talent, they havent had a decent keeper in donkeys years.

egpower · 13-06-2011 11:12AM

premierstone wrote: »

Thats a very simplistic view tbh, of course shot stoping is an integral part of being a goalkeeper, its what seperates the greats from the also rans Fitzhenry, Cummins and that lunatic of a manager of yers they were/are all capable of making match winning saves, I can honestly say I have never seen Hennesy make any such save, its also one of the very reasons Galway have failed to deliver on all their talent, they havent had a decent keeper in donkeys years.

I don't normally agree with Tipperary folk

but - well put !

STIG83 · 13-06-2011 11:12AM

Anyone know will Davy be in trouble for swearing at the ref? and there must have been a mic nearby to pick him up? I dont think i ever heard a manager caught on camera like that.

Henno30 · 13-06-2011 11:43AM

STIG83 wrote: »

Anyone know will Davy be in trouble for swearing at the ref? and there must have been a mic nearby to pick him up? I dont think i ever heard a manager caught on camera like that.

What I'd love to know is why RTE made such an effort to pick him up. I've never seen that done before, and they clearly went out of their way to do it as the background sound was turned back up to normal levels immediately once he started swearing. It was bizarre.

Also, anyone who was shocked by it can never have played a championship game in their lives. That's what it's like in actual sport, not the version you get on telly.

deisebhoy17 · 13-06-2011 11:43AM

premierstone wrote: »

Thats a very simplistic view tbh, of course shot stoping is an integral part of being a goalkeeper, its what seperates the greats from the also rans Fitzhenry, Cummins and that lunatic of a manager of yers they were/are all capable of making match winning saves, I can honestly say I have never seen Hennesy make any such save, its also one of the very reasons Galway have failed to deliver on all their talent, they havent had a decent keeper in donkeys years.

My point is that the goalkeeper needs to instil confidence in those around him. Its well and good being able to pull off a miraculous save every now and then which the goalkeepers you mentioned were well able to do but the keeper needs to get the baics right first and foremost. Clintion is very calm under pressure and a great reader of whats going on in front of him. Very neaty and tidy around the danger zone aswell. The alternatives to Hennessy cannot necessary guarantee that even though they may be better shot-stoppers thus thats why he's selected. In fact our sub keeper Adrian Power is one of the finest shot-stoppers Ive seen.

detective · 13-06-2011 12:27PM

As a Limerick supporter in amongst the Waterford crowd yesterday I just want to say well done to Waterford hurling. I'm delighted to finally see Limerick back competing again. What a game. Great fans on both sides. Great new talent on both sides. Unlimited heartbreak - the story of Limerick hurling came true again.

Best of luck in the final.

PTH2009 · 13-06-2011 12:48PM

If the match finished a draw would you travel up to the replay.???

Id say the crowd would be very poor if the game went to a replay.

Imagine having to pay E30/E25 again for the ticket ,petrol money,food/drink etc for the replay.

They could of played yesterdays match in Walsh Park and they would be still space left there

deiseach · 13-06-2011 01:12PM

I'd have definitely gone to any replay. I didn't expect it to be anywhere near as entertaining as it was (and to be honest I'd have been happier if it were less 'exciting'). But I take the point. It's not just the money, it's a whole day out of your life. Watching it on the telly seems attractive when you haven't bought a ticket in advance

Jeddah · 13-06-2011 01:26PM

It was a poor scrappy match , the only thing that made it exciting was because it was so close. Limerick were very poor in their full backline. Mullane got gifted 1-1 by Condon. Limerick forwards had too many wides in the first half. Waterford couldnt win a puckout and Sully and Shanahan were very poor. Sully also gave away a silly free near the end.Full forwardline played well when the ball was played in fast to them.Midfield just about held their own. Davy got seriously confused at one point in the second half when limerick moved all their forwards around and ended up leaving the Fives marking Downes on the edge of the square. This shouldnt have been allowed happen , but Davy was too slow to see it.

Overall we have to be happy to get out of Thurles with a win , but dont think we have seen the All Ireland champions for this year playing yesterday. Well done to Mahoney on getting MOTM fully deserved.

Professey Chin · 13-06-2011 01:29PM

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Mountainlad is calling for Lawlor to be put in fullback praising his performances against Cork and Clare last year but fails to mention that he had a nightmare in the all Ireland semi against Tipp. I think he'll start there the next day as hes an alternative to Hutchinson. not necessarily because hes a better option.

To be fair theres not much he could do with the Tipp game. We dropped so deep every ball was sent clean over our half backs onto him. He was under a stupid amount of pressure that entire game.

deiseach · 13-06-2011 01:33PM

Jeddah wrote: »

Overall we have to be happy to get out of Thurles with a win , but dont think we have seen the All Ireland champions for this year playing yesterday. Well done to Mahoney on getting MOTM fully deserved.

Thought Donal O'Grady was the best player on the pitch with Wayne McNamara running him a close second. They were immense

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