David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

ejmaztec · 02-06-2011 03:34PM

Opelfruit wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Have you got a problem Mr Opelfruit?

You forgot to highlight "sheep".:P

Spread · 02-06-2011 03:34PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Since he didn't as far I can see support O'Searcaigh in anyway, merely calling for a more in depth enquiry so that the public got the whole truth, no I won't change my mind.

Your prerogative.

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 03:35PM

Spread wrote: »

Exactly because of that. There has been a seismic shift in developments. A lot of people had paid scant attention to his mutterings so long ago. In light of this his ideas need to be revisited before casting a vote in his favour.

They are being revisited in light of the contraversy being raised and any normal thinking person can see what he said is being twisted. He specifically he finds the sexual abuse of children abhorrant while acknowledging that as a young MAN he would have liked to have been taken under the wing of an older MAN.

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 03:36PM

Spread wrote: »

Your prerogative.

Indeed it is. But you clearly think I am wrong, might I ask why?

RachaelVO · 02-06-2011 03:37PM

Batsy wrote: »

People are not genetically gay. If that was the case, nearly all the ancestors and nearly all the descendants of gay people would also be gay.

Don't be ridiculous! Parents with brown eyes can have a blue eyed baby! Parents with brown hair can have blonde haired babies. Your understanding of genetics and how they are carried needs a bit updating!

Spread · 02-06-2011 03:41PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

He never once said he supported what O'Searcaigh did and you know it.

I may be unaware of some of his musings but I haven't heard that he disapproved of O' Searcaigh's sexual shennanigans.

Batsy · 02-06-2011 03:41PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes it is and you know it is.

People don't choose their sexuality, they are born with it.

I wouldn't say being anti-gay is racist. Gays aren't a race.

If an Irishman is gay is he of the same race as a gay from Mongolia?

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 03:46PM

Spread wrote: »

I may be unaware of some of his musings but I haven't heard that he disapproved of O' Searcaigh's sexual shennanigans.

As I said he only ever called for a more in depth enquiry. There is link a few pages back to the Dail transcript.

Batsy wrote: »

I wouldn't say being anti-gay is racist. Gays aren't a race.

If an Irishman is gay is he of the same race as a gay from Mongolia?

No it's no racist. It is homophobic though.

Batsy · 02-06-2011 03:48PM

RachaelVO wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous! Parents with brown eyes can have a blue eyed baby! Parents with brown hair can have blonde haired babies. Your understanding of genetics and how they are carried needs a bit updating!

If homosexuality is genetic then why doesn't nature allow gay couples to naturally pass their gay genes down to the next generation?

And why hasn't natural selection acted against it?

ixoy · 02-06-2011 03:52PM

Batsy wrote: »

People are not genetically gay. If that was the case, nearly all the ancestors and nearly all the descendants of gay people would also be gay.

The evidence for this is overwhelming. Not only is there no gay gene, but why is it that homosexuality has survived natural selection when gay couples can't produce children? And if homosexuality was genetic, then everytime a set of twins is born if one is gay then the other would be, too, and that it not always the case.

Wow - I didn't know we had the world's preeminent geneticist posting here! Never knew genetics was so simple and that we had identified all genes and how it all interacts. Thanks for the update - I'll look forward to your article in Nature.

Spread · 02-06-2011 04:00PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Indeed it is. But you clearly think I am wrong, might I ask why?

Yes I do. But I may not be correct. It is the way I interpret the whole subject. Using my personal (social) mores and perhaps my hang ups, I find the whole Kathmandu thing distasteful. And Norris casting (what he thinks is) gravitas behind this, adds to my mistrust of what circulates inside his pate. As a President, one cannot get involved with these sorts of long winded interjections. This is one of the reasons why I think that he shoould not be in the Aras. And the accent! Good grief! Scrap Saturday would have to be resurrected. You may as well have Dustin. I also find his arrogance and self aggrandisement would not befit the office.

sensibleken · 02-06-2011 04:03PM

Batsy wrote: »

People are not genetically gay. If that was the case, nearly all the ancestors and nearly all the descendants of gay people would also be gay.

The evidence for this is overwhelming. Not only is there no gay gene, but why is it that homosexuality has survived natural selection when gay couples can't produce children? And if homosexuality was genetic, then everytime a set of twins is born if one is gay then the other would be, too, and that it not always the case.

care to cite your research materials? I'm sure we could all do with a laugh.

Daith · 02-06-2011 04:07PM

Batsy wrote: »

And why hasn't natural selection acted against it?

Cos it's natural.

Spread · 02-06-2011 04:16PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

As I said he only ever called for a more in depth enquiry. There is link a few pages back to the Dail transcript.

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The presents for the boys was admitted. The sleeping with the boys was admitted. That to me is sexual exploitation. More in dept enquiry?

yupyup7up · 02-06-2011 04:19PM

solely from looking at his website, I wouldn't ever vote for him.

Why does he insist on plaguing people with his sexuality?
I see a lot of people pulling the homophobia card out though if somebody doesn't agree with it. It's not my cup of tea but I am friends with gay people.

I don't mind people being gay, but don't rub it in our faces.

But I know people who are straight and don't shut up about sex and that annoys me too.

Why does he have a fake accent?
Couldn't care less about his religion(as long as it's not extremist).

He said the heroes of 1916 were terrorists didn't he?:mad:
and, he wants Ireland to rejoin the commonwealth which I disagree with.

He seems a bit too radical and seems to have a hidden agenda which I can't put my finger on, but I'm certainly not voting for him as he doesn't appear to be of presidential material.

By the way, he was born in the Congo, is he even qualified to run for the presidency? I'm not sure about the rules and regulations.

zuroph · 02-06-2011 04:27PM

yupyup7up wrote: »

Why does he have a fake accent?

his accent is genuine. posh, but genuine.

Couldn't care less about his religion(as long as it's not extremist).

He said the heroes of 1916 were terrorists didn't he?:mad:

No hie didnt, and the paper that said he did were forced to publish a retraction and apology

and, he wants Ireland to rejoin the commonwealth which I disagree with.

no he doesnt, another bit of media spin. He addresses both allegations in a video on his site. its the top on on the Ask David tab.

geuro · 02-06-2011 04:31PM

I like David Norris but I will vote for another candidate. He's just a bit too hyper and flamboyant and the west brit accent puts me off. He's too excitable. I'd be a bit embarassed by him to be honest.

I'd like to see Michael D get in..

RachaelVO · 02-06-2011 04:32PM

yupyup7up wrote: »

solely from looking at his website, I wouldn't ever vote for him.

Why does he insist on plaguing people with his sexuality?
I see a lot of people pulling the homophobia card out though if somebody doesn't agree with it. It's not my cup of tea but I am friends with gay people.

I don't mind people being gay, but don't rub it in our faces.

But I know people who are straight and don't shut up about sex and that annoys me too.

Why does he have a fake accent?
Couldn't care less about his religion(as long as it's not extremist).

He said the heroes of 1916 were terrorists didn't he?:mad:
and, he wants Ireland to rejoin the commonwealth which I disagree with.

He seems a bit too radical and seems to have a hidden agenda which I can't put my finger on, but I'm certainly not voting for him as he doesn't appear to be of presidential material.

By the way, he was born in the Congo, is he even qualified to run for the presidency? I'm not sure about the rules and regulations.

He is NO way plagues people with his sexuality, I sincerely hope you're looking at the right website and not the one organised by Enoch Burke who has devised a website that looks for all intents and purposes like it's actually the site from David Norris, that does nothing but go on and on about it.

mikemac · 02-06-2011 04:37PM

http://www.davidnorris4president.com/
http://www.norrisforpresident.ie/

Similar names but very different

RachaelVO · 02-06-2011 04:41PM

Batsy wrote: »

If homosexuality is genetic then why doesn't nature allow gay couples to naturally pass their gay genes down to the next generation?

And why hasn't natural selection acted against it?

OK, here we go, in genetics there are always two types of genes for each and every characteristic, including your gender. One is recessive and one is dominent. So, to expand on an example I gave earlier, genetic coding for eye colour is B for brown and b for blue. Brown being dominant and b being recessive so anyone with coding bb has blue eyes. Anyone with coding BB has brown eyes. Anyone with coding Bb has brown eyes but is a carrier for blue. So parents have brown eyes, they have a blue eyed baby, how can this be? They are clearly have the coding Bb, and they gave their child bb meaning that the child has blue eyes.

Same goes for all aspects of physical characteristics, even down to some tasts and flavours, whether you can roll your tongue, whether you have webbed toes. It's all connected!

As for natural selection, it appears to be a very fickle thing, which is glaringly obvious when you look at half of the opinions on this thread.

tayto lover · 02-06-2011 05:12PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Fair enough. I still believe for the most it isn't a choice.

Either way it is not something to be persecuted or critised for.

Not the young person but what about the person (older) who is grooming them towards a Gay lifestyle ? Say that after being groomed and experiencing the Gay sex lifestyle they come to the conclusion that they are not really Gay at all, do you not think that there could have been serious psychological damage done to them ?

orourkeda · 02-06-2011 05:16PM

I wouldn't have voted for him before this controversy broke.

I believe he is a bit too eccentric to be an effective president

tayto lover · 02-06-2011 05:22PM

Originally Posted by yupyup7up
solely from looking at his website, I wouldn't ever vote for him.

Why does he insist on plaguing people with his sexuality?
I see a lot of people pulling the homophobia card out though if somebody doesn't agree with it. It's not my cup of tea but I am friends with gay people.

Thats exactly how i found him too. However others who met him and who have posted here didn't seem to see that at all.

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 05:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Not the young person but what about the person (older) who is grooming them towards a Gay lifestyle ? Say that after being groomed and experiencing the Gay sex lifestyle they come to the conclusion that they are not really Gay at all, do you not think that there could have been serious psychological damage done to them ?

How exactly does one groom some-one to be gay?

I would have no issue at all with an older gay man encouraging a younger man who might be feeling confused about himself, to explore who he is, none at all.

You're making it sound as though gay men are paedophiles.

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 05:53PM

yupyup7up wrote: »

solely from looking at his website, I wouldn't ever vote for him.

I hope you are looking at the correct website and not that rubbish by Enoch Burke.

Why does he insist on plaguing people with his sexuality?

I see a lot of people pulling the homophobia card out though if somebody doesn't agree with it. It's not my cup of tea but I am friends with gay people.

I don't mind people being gay, but don't rub it in our faces.

He doesn't flaunt anything, neither does he hide it. He just is who he is.

I'm sorry but you do come across as homophobic. Would have a problem with a straight couple embracing or kissing or being affectionate in public.

If not then why do you feel that way about same-sex couples.

Annasopra · 02-06-2011 05:54PM

Spread wrote: »

Yes, he is guilty of sexually exploiting 16 yr old boys. He bought them stuff by way of grooming. He has admitted to that. He never said that he bedded young boys who were not privy to his sexual largesse. Next!

Which court found him guilty?

AudreyHepburn · 02-06-2011 05:56PM

Spread wrote: »

The presents for the boys was admitted. The sleeping with the boys was admitted. That to me is sexual exploitation. More in dept enquiry?

I don't know, perhaps he felt there was more O'Searcaigh had to answer for? Maybe for the sake of the boys he wanted to be sure every angle was covered?

I'm not actually denying what O'Searcaigh did by the way, I think he's a twisted creep.

Donkey Oaty · 02-06-2011 06:00PM

yupyup7up wrote: »

I am friends with gay people...

I don't mind people being gay, but...

Expect to hear a lot more of this as voting day approaches.

Nodin · 02-06-2011 06:03PM

yupyup7up wrote: »

solely from looking at his website, I wouldn't ever vote for him.

Why does he insist on plaguing people with his sexuality?

Absolutely. Last week he arrived and knocked at my door. Putting down a boom box he - wearing nothing more than a short leather skirt and rather dapper pair of thigh high boots - began to do the finale of riverdance, screaming "I'm Gay, Gay, Gay".

Imagine what might result from such flagrant in your face gaying. Already I've had to restrain myself from washing and putting on a nice shirt.

Donkey Oaty · 02-06-2011 06:05PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't know, perhaps he felt there was more O'Searcaigh had to answer for? Maybe for the sake of the boys he wanted to be sure every angle was covered?

I'm not actually denying what O'Searcaigh did by the way, I think he's a twisted creep.

Pro-David Norris people will want to give him the benefit of the doubt on this, but the fact remains that, for good or for bad, his comments were reported as being "supportive" of O'S.

I think that this one could be even more damaging than MagillGate.

David Norris for President....would you vote for him?

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