Science TR071

NeuroCat · 19-05-2011 01:08PM

Pyruvte dehydrogenase was bound to come up though, there was only 1 lecture for Amir Khan and it was based solely on Pyruvate Dehydrogenase!!

Still was definately the worst exam for me, I completely blanked on Bioenergetics. Only managed to waffle on about the 4 complexes and a bit about Mitchell's chemiosmotic theory.

I wrote a page about Prophyrias... biggest amount of BS I have ever written lol.

Personally I was hoping for Glycolysis, but, c'est la vie. It seems the majority of people are in the same boat anyways.

Roll on Evolution!

amacachi · 19-05-2011 01:58PM

Stupid Metabolism, first it being slow ruined my physique and now it's ruined my summer.

Jammyc · 19-05-2011 06:26PM

How does one go about studying for evolution? There are no definite topics, just a few general ideas!

NeuroCat · 19-05-2011 08:44PM

How does one go about studying for evolution? There are no definite topics, just a few general ideas!

It seems to be the general consensus that Fares material is the easiest to cover considering everything you need is in his notes. Whereas Marples expects a lot of extra reading in addition to her material.

I'm doing an all nighter and studying Fares, hoping for the best tbh! Gonna skim over Marples stuff aswell a bit.

(I'm sure this was incredible uninformative, but I am still recovering from the crushing blow that was Metabolism.)

amacachi · 19-05-2011 10:26PM

I'm guessing from how ye're talking about Metabolism ye're disappointed with a low pass? :pac:

For evolution just about everything is in the slides I think. I was looking at the past paper and lectures last night and I knew 70-80% of the short questions and the rest was on the slides.

NeuroCat · 19-05-2011 10:46PM

I'm guessing from how ye're talking about Metabolism ye're disappointed with a low pass?

I've be delirious if I passed lol! I think I almost definately failed lol. Although in first year, I did write some amount of crap and I managed to pass, so... here's hoping :L

21-05-2011 02:38PM

Thank god for question 3 today, I almost had a heart attack when I saw the first two questions.

I was witty and used a graph. My graph had no units but it sure had attitude. That's what they look for.

Morgase · 23-05-2011 01:00PM

Would some of you lovely SF (going into JS) scientists tell us what books you found particularly useful in the past year?

I'm (hopefully) going to be in SF year this September and am hoping to make a bit of a head start on getting my materials ready for the next academic year.

I'm particularly interested in the maths, biology and chemistry modules.

Ta very much!

banjopaul · 23-05-2011 01:06PM

Morgase wrote: »

Would some of you lovely SF (going into JS) scientists tell us what books you found particularly useful in the past year?

I'm (hopefully) going to be in SF year this September and am hoping to make a bit of a head start on getting my materials ready for the next academic year.

I'm particularly interested in the maths, biology and chemistry modules.

Ta very much!

Don't know about maths and chemistry, but for biology don't bother buying any books for sure, there's so many that it's impractical. Just learn to use the library properly and get requests in on time around exams.

As for what books to use, have a look at the lectures on BTC for whatever modules you're planning on doing, the lecturers include the recommended textbooks in the slides.

Morgase · 23-05-2011 01:10PM

Thanks banjopaul! I wasn't really planning on buying them as such

but I thought there might be particularly useful books to keep an eye out for. Something like the way Campbell was great for JF.

Jammyc · 23-05-2011 01:29PM

For Cell structure/function and metabolism, Biochemistry by Stryer is the reccommended, I also liked Harper's Illustrated Biochem.

For Immunity, Janeway's Immunobiology was also popular.

Chemistry lecturers used a lot of books, but Chemical Bonding by Mark Winter was small and covered the lectures on M.O. Theory. There are too many courses and books to name briefly but try take a look at the notes and that'll be more than an headstart for next year.

Like banjopaul said, lecturer's slides reccommended books, so I'd go with those.

banjopaul · 23-05-2011 01:37PM

Morgase wrote: »

Thanks banjopaul! I wasn't really planning on buying them as such but I thought there might be particularly useful books to keep an eye out for. Something like the way Campbell was great for JF.

Unfortunately because SF biology has crazily broader content than JF, no one book will cover anything in nearly enough detail! It's on average 2 textbooks per module I'd say, but only specific parts of the books.

As for not buying them as such, good plan, they're readily available and I've acquired a copy of pretty much every textbook in that manner during the year. Still prefer the real thing though!

If you're doing Maths, chemistry and biology you'll only be doing 4 biology modules I think right? Which ones are you planning on?

23-05-2011 01:53PM

To be honest I still find Campbell really useful. I've a behaviour exam tomorrow and it is pretty helpful. Biology wise, the only other book I've used is the Biochemistry one already mentioned.

Chemistry is actually pretty hard this year as far as the consensus goes. I'd actually recommend you read some of the lectures over the summer as a head start would be pretty useful.

Morgase · 23-05-2011 02:02PM

I'm in human genetics, so we don't get to pick our modules in SF. AFAIK I'm doing the following:

BY2201: Cell Structure and Function
BY2203: Metabolism
BY2204: Evolution
BY2205: Microbiology
BY2208: Genetics
BY2209: Infection and Immunity

banjopaul · 23-05-2011 02:13PM

Morgase wrote: »

I'm in human genetics, so we don't get to pick our modules in SF. AFAIK I'm doing the following:

BY2201: Cell Structure and Function
BY2203: Metabolism
BY2204: Evolution
BY2205: Microbiology
BY2208: Genetics
BY2209: Infection and Immunity

BY2201: Essential Cell Biology is really useful, as is Biochemistry - Stryer.
BY2203: Stryer again for most things, Lehninger if you want another option.
BY2204: Evolutionary Analysis by Freeman and Herron.
BY2205: Microbiology by Prescott, Harley and Klein, and Molecular Biology of the Gene for yeasts.
BY2208: Genetic Analysis covers most.
BY2209: Janeways Immunobiology, and Microbiology as above.

Check the slides on BTC for specific chapters etc.

Dingle Ranger · 23-05-2011 02:30PM

It should be noted that it would be very stupid to go out and buy all of those books. While some of them are hard to get your hands on now, the library has sufficient supply 99% of the time.

That and don't, don't, don't (really stressing) throw yourself into study now. Trust me. Throughout the year is grand. If you get sick of the stuff at this stage of the year next year, you'll find it extremely difficult to keep going through the exams. A lot of people ive talked to are just sick of it at this stage. The SF science timetable is one of the most gruelling by far so I really do recommend that you don't launch yourself into it.

banjopaul · 23-05-2011 02:50PM

Dingle Ranger wrote: »

That and don't, don't, don't (really stressing) throw yourself into study now. Trust me. Throughout the year is grand. If you get sick of the stuff at this stage of the year next year, you'll find it extremely difficult to keep going through the exams. A lot of people ive talked to are just sick of it at this stage. The SF science timetable is one of the most gruelling by far so I really do recommend that you don't launch yourself into it.

Would agree with this, unless your finding something hard already, don't stress yourself too much till September. Just keep on top of it during the term time and you'll be grand.

Morgase · 23-05-2011 02:58PM

Thanks for the help, that's really useful.

I like to have some idea of what I'm getting into, even if I'm not going to do major studying over the summer. Just a small bit of familiarisation.

Wouldn't dream of buying a pile of books though, I am a starving student after all

teenagedream · 24-05-2011 08:30PM

Quick question.
If I chose to study science in TCD and then picked genetics as the subject I want to study in 3rd year, would the modules and that covered in 3rd and 4th year by the same as the Human Genetics course?

NeuroCat · 24-05-2011 09:04PM

The modules are largely similar I believe other than that Genetics students study plant genetics, and have less emphasis on human genetics than the direct entry Human Genetics course.

Jammyc · 16-06-2011 11:21PM

Good luck to everyone tomorrow, JF, SF and JS!:)

Padgeman · 17-06-2011 08:36AM

Jammyc wrote: »

Good luck to everyone tomorrow, JF, SF and JS!:)

The waiting is the worst bit :pac:

amacachi · 17-06-2011 03:16PM

Any shocks? Have to say I'm amazed at how accurate my prediction was.

Padgeman · 17-06-2011 03:20PM

amacachi wrote: »

Any shocks? Have to say I'm amazed at how accurate my prediction was.

I did worse than I thought. Totally and utterly failed Chemistry. Again. For the third time.

amacachi · 17-06-2011 03:24PM

Hard luck, just the one?

Padgeman · 17-06-2011 03:25PM

amacachi wrote: »

Hard luck, just the one?

Nah, both

How did you get on?

amacachi · 17-06-2011 03:27PM

Anywhere near compensation for them or did you need to pass for whatever you're going for next year?

I failed 4 biology subjects. I knew I failed 1, was pretty certain about another 2 and had a feeling I'd fail at least one more. Got over 35 in two of them though so I just need to focus on the 2 I did worst in for the repeats. Still, for never staying more than 35 minutes in the exams it's a decent return. :pac:

Padgeman · 17-06-2011 03:46PM

Ah well. At least there's always August anyway.

Lawliet · 17-06-2011 04:30PM

One fail, which I was expecting due to my complete lack of any kind of work or effort in that subject.
Pretty pleased with my chemistry results; ended up being my highest. Would not have called that

Scrappychimow · 17-06-2011 04:32PM

Lawliet wrote: »

One fail, which I was expecting due to my complete lack of any kind of work or effort in that subject.
Pretty pleased with my chemistry results; ended up being my highest. Would not have called that

Are you JF? are the results online ? I can't find them

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