sexy girls have it easy(ier)

Silverfish · 22-05-2011 11:42PM

Nolanger wrote: »

I think this has more to do with looking less black/immigrant when she has the make-up on? Maybe the black/asian drivers are less inclined to refuse a 'white' girl's request for a free trip? Or maybe she looks more middle-class and respectable wearing the make-up and the drivers don't want to offend?

Can we ease up on the racism, please.

Wompa1 · 23-05-2011 12:49PM

I've started seeing a girl that's way out of my league and very good looking but she seems to dislike that she gets treated differently for her looks.

She's doing a course in college that is predominantly male. She over hears comments about her and can't go out for class parties anymore because any time she does one of the guys tries it on with her.

She say's too that a lot of women take an instant dislike to her and guys tend to think she's stupid and ditzy before they even know her.

At the same time she say's she does notice that a lot of guys are a lot more friendly and would go out of their way to help her.

Looks like a double edge sword to me..I'd still talk looks over what I got!!

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 01:14PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

She say's too that a lot of women take an instant dislike to her

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

ztoical · 23-05-2011 01:45PM

iguana wrote: »

While walking on with a crowd and smiling confidently at the bus driver might well mean he didn't notice you not touching your card off the reader. (Many London buses routes have no cash pay option, you must pre-pay, so the bus drivers don't always check if people touch their cards or not.)

+ 1 Also if a ticket inspector/surpvisor gets on the bus and the girl has just walked on the Driver can just say he/she missed her when she got on but if the driver said she didn't have to pay and your one tells the inspector this the driver would be all sorts of issues. Have seen plenty of bus drivers let people on for free for a whole heap of reasons not related to how the person looked, the majority of the time it's a case of look the other way rather then saying anything directly so they can cover their own asses...hell the only time I got a free bus ride was when I looked like utter crap after having a really bad day and my weekly pass had just run out and I think the bus driver just felt sorry for me.

Wompa1 · 23-05-2011 01:49PM

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

I've never heard or seen a girl treat a good looking girl like crap instantly before :rolleyes: SARCASM ALERT!!

There's instances even on Boards of girls hating good looking women for no logical reason and hiding the fact it's because of their looks. But again it's up to each of us to make up our own minds on I'd say because women who would dislike another woman because of her looks would never admit to that being the reason.

http://ms-jd.org/when-other-women-hate-you-because-you039re-beautiful

I'm neither a woman nor am I good looking myself but over the years of living, I've drawn my own conclusion that some women dislike good looking women because of their looks.

professore · 23-05-2011 01:55PM

_meehan_ wrote: »

I wonder what happens when they start to age...

They probably become bitter and twisted.

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 01:58PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I've never heard or seen a girl treat a good looking girl like crap instantly before :rolleyes: SARCASM ALERT!!

Yeah, and in many cases it might be entirely imagined. Also, if your GF's course is male-dominated, of course she's bound to get lots of attention, I bet most of the girls in the class do.

Wompa1 wrote: »

There's instances even on Boards of girls hating good looking women for no logical reason and hiding the fact it's because of their looks.

Examples, please.

No excuses, this site has a search facility.

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm neither a woman nor am I good looking myself but over the years of living, I've drawn my own conclusion that some women dislike good looking women because of their looks.

Some do, some don't. It's hard to muster sympathy TBH. Life is easier for good-looking people, undoubtedly, so it's easy to see where some resentment might happen.

Wompa1 · 23-05-2011 03:36PM

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Yeah, and in many cases it might be entirely imagined. Also, if your GF's course is male-dominated, of course she's bound to get lots of attention, I bet most of the girls in the class do.

Examples, please. No excuses, this site has a search facility.

Some do, some don't. It's hard to muster sympathy TBH. Life is easier for good-looking people, undoubtedly, so it's easy to see where some resentment might happen.

Will post examples later when I get back from work. I'm sure I remember quite a lot of Cheryl Cole jibes in threads over the years.

No disagreement on life being easier in a way. I'm sure good lucking people still have a lot of bad luck in terms of friends or family dying and different personal issues but I would think for good looking people the little things are easier. like getting a job!

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 03:55PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm sure I remember quite a lot of Cheryl Cole jibes in threads over the years.

Ah now, in fairness, I've heard men express dislike for her just as much as women. I think she's pretty but in a very thuggish, classless sort of way (well founded, I think, she is a convicted thug and that thuggishness shines through, IMO). No doubt that will put down to me being jealous. But I would never wish to trade with her. There are many famous women I think are breathtakingly beautiful and I feel not a bit of envy towards them.

But you seem to be saying that people criticising Cole for her past behaviour or whatever is down to them being envious of her looks. Do you really think that's fair? Many people, male and female, find her overrated looks-wise and are unimpressed by her behaviour in a nightclub bathroom all those years ago. It's not always envy.

Wompa1 · 23-05-2011 03:58PM

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Ah now, in fairness, I've heard men express dislike for her just as much as women. I think she's pretty but in a very thuggish, classless sort of way (well founded, I think, she is a convicted thug). No doubt that will put down to me being jealous. But I would never wish to trade with her.

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

Silverfish · 23-05-2011 04:02PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

If you can find it in this forum, then it may be relevant.
If it isn't on this forum, then I will ask you not to drag it in here.
We are not responsible for all opinions of women everywhere.

Other than that, women can comment on another woman's looks without it being jealousy. I've seen men comment negatively on some women, are they jealous also?

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:03PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

Compare pictures of her now to when she started out. Veneers and whatnot. Very brittle.

Silverfish wrote: »

If you can find it in this forum, then it may be relevant.
If it isn't on this forum, then I will ask you not to drag it in here.

Sorry, that's my fault, I asked for proof. My bad.

Silverfish wrote: »

Other than that, women can comment on another woman's looks without it being jealousy. I've seen men comment negatively on some women, are they jealous also?

+1

Wompa1 · 23-05-2011 04:10PM

Whoops. Ok nevermind! It's just my opinion anyway because it's a pretty subjective discussion.

liah · 23-05-2011 04:25PM

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

seenitall · 23-05-2011 04:32PM

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

Oh I believe it alright. It's the other side of the coin of telling over-weight women: "Ah you're grand, you don't need to get any thinner" (on which issue there was a thread on here recently); sure, some women who say this mean well, but if they are significantly thinner and get more attention for that reason than the overweight friend, I'd be wary of their motivations for encouraging the person to stay the same weight.

The same with super beautiful women; sure, some people may not like their personalities, but it would plain defy the odds of human nature if some nay-saying women weren't at it out of pure envy and feeling threatened (even if only subconsciously). With men's negative remarks, it's more clear cut because the competitive aspect is completely missing.

We all know how women today are both over- and under-valued in the society on the basis of their looks; it makes perfect sense to me that this is the area where all the inscurities, the competitiveness and the hidden agendas will come to the fore for women. When talking about looks, it is in comparison with others that we "fail" or "pass" the test. We all measure ourselves against others, every day, in different ways - it's an integral part of belonging to a society and a community.

Yahew · 23-05-2011 04:37PM

liah wrote: »

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

You're a bit more than average, based on the photos you post. However, I think that you are correct in that. A good looking girl who has not got the confidence that people think she should have, is in a very strange position. And tends to end up with Bad Boys.

On the other hand a confident sex[y hot girl has advantages: Cheryl Cole may be hated irrationally by some women ( she certainly doesn't come across as a thug to me); and she ended up with the Bad Boy; and yet, and yet. She is very rich. And she is rich because she is hot.

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:42PM

Yahew wrote: »

( she certainly doesn't come across as a thug to me)

Sorry, but I have to link this new story to show my views aren't unfounded:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3207822.stm

That is the actions of a thug. Yes, it's years ago now, but very few people would ever do what she did.

Back on topic!

HavingCrack · 23-05-2011 04:45PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I've started seeing a girl that's way out of my league and very good looking but she seems to dislike that she gets treated differently for her looks.

Am I the only one who finds this attitude kind of strange and self defeating? How is a woman out of your league when you're going out with her? Surely that mean's that she is in your league. How is your girlfriend out of your league when she is your girlfriend?

As far as I am concerned no one is ever out of your league and even thinking this way just seems very strange to me. I think this is kind of important as regards this thread. I know some lads who buy drinks for women that they think they won't ever be able to win over otherwise.

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:46PM

liah wrote: »

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

I agree but my problem is that often women who perceive other women to be jealous and men to lust after them have a over-inflated view of their own looks, and can often be fairly average. Then it gets a bit :rolleyes:.

It's not always the best looking women who think themselves great-looking. Now there's nothing wrong with confidence, whatever you look like, but when people start being accused of jealousy when they're patently not, that gets tiresome.

liah · 23-05-2011 04:48PM

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

I agree but my problem is that often women who perceive other women to be jealous and men to lust after them have a over-inflated view of their own looks, and can often be fairly average. Then it gets a bit :rolleyes:.

It's not always the best looking women who think they themselves are great-looking.

Of course, but they're not the ones I'm talking about; I think it was obvious given the context of the thread that I'm on about legitimately beautiful women and not just the type who have an overinflated ego?

HavingCrack · 23-05-2011 04:48PM

Yahew wrote: »

You're a bit more than average, based on the photos you post. However, I think that you are correct in that. A good looking girl who has not got the confidence that people think they should have, is in a very strange position. And tends to end up with Bad Boys.

On the other hand a confident sex[y hot girl has advantages: Cheryl Cole may be hated irrationally by some women ( she certainly doesn't come across as a thug to me); and she ended up with the Bad Boy; and yet, and yet. She is very rich. And she is rich because she is hot.

This post is a bit simplistic. The phrase 'bad boy' is so overused as to be a bit meaningless. Ashley Cole happens to be a footballer and a wealthy celebriety in hsi own right and I imagine that is what attracted her more than his 'bad boy' image. Birds of a feather and all that.

Also she is not rich becasue she is 'hot'. She is rich because she was a member of a very successful pop group. If she had never tried out for Girls Aloud or had not been selected it is very likely she would still be a no body (albeit a very attractive no body) in a Newcastle council estate.

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:52PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds this attitude kind of strange and self defeating? How is a woman out of your league when you're going out with her? Surely that mean's that she is in your league. How is your girlfriend out of your league when she is your girlfriend?

As far as I am concerned no one is ever out of your league and even thinking this way just seems very strange to me. I think this is kind of important as regards this thread. I know some lads who buy drinks for women that they think they won't ever be able to win over otherwise.

Yeah, I agree, this league stuff puts people on pedestals!

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:54PM

liah wrote: »

Of course, but they're not the ones I'm talking about; I think it was obvious given the context of the thread that I'm on about legitimately beautiful women and not just the type who have an overinflated ego?

Well, the thread is about sexy girls which can be distinct from legitimately beautiful girls. Sexy is a lot about attitude.

Yahew · 23-05-2011 04:55PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

This post is a bit simplistic. The phrase 'bad boy' is so overused as to be a bit meaningless. Ashley Cole happens to be a footballer and a wealthy celebriety in hsi own right and I imagine that is what attracted her more than his 'bad boy' image. Birds of a feather and all that.

Possibly. Controlling for everything else - the rich marry the rich, celebs marry celebs ( in general) - he did cheat on her.

Also she is not rich becasue she is 'hot'. She is rich because she was a member of a very successful pop group. If she had never tried out for Girls Aloud or had not been selected it is very likely she would still be a no body (albeit a very attractive no body) in a Newcastle council estate.

She is merely an ok singer. Now why do you think she got into that group? If you think looks have anything ( or most things) to do with it, then her looks have made her rich.

EDIT:

@TaraFoxGlove, fair enough - didnt know about Cheryl's past.

liah · 23-05-2011 04:55PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Also she is not rich becasue she is 'hot'. She is rich because she was a member of a very successful pop group. If she had never tried out for Girls Aloud or had not been selected it is very likely she would still be a no body (albeit a very attractive no body) in a Newcastle council estate.

In fairness though, would she have been in Girls Aloud if she were not good-looking?

TaraFoxglove · 23-05-2011 04:56PM

liah wrote: »

In fairness though, would she have been in Girls Aloud if she were not good-looking?

True.

seenitall · 23-05-2011 04:57PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Also she is not rich becasue she is 'hot'. She is rich because she was a member of a very successful pop group. If she had never tried out for Girls Aloud or had not been selected it is very likely she would still be a no body (albeit a very attractive no body) in a Newcastle council estate.

LOL at this. What was, IYO, the single most determining factor of her being selected for Girls Aloud?

Looks and image are everything in the showbiz of today. I'd bet that even her height as relative to the other members of the group had more to do with her being selected, than her singing ability did.

HavingCrack · 23-05-2011 05:01PM

Yahew wrote: »

Possibly. Controlling for everything else - the rich marry the rich, celebs marry celebs ( in general) - he did cheat on her.

I'm not sure what the cheating on her has to do with my point? Unless you're saying that some women are only attracted to men who are going to cheat on them?

Yahew wrote: »

She is merely an ok singer. Now why do you think she got into that group? If you think looks have anything ( or most things) to do with it, then her looks have made her rich.

No I am aware of that. But that wasn't really my point. My point is that her looks only had an indirect part on her wealth. Merely being good looking isn't a recipe for fame and fortune in itself. It requires something else, in this case the singing. I'm sure there are lots of women as good looking as Cheryl Cole out there who are not rich as a comparison. I'm not able to explain it in any better terms really.

liah wrote: »

In fairness though, would she have been in Girls Aloud if she were not good-looking?

Obviously not but that wasn't my point. I was trying to say that her looks alone didn't 'directly' lead to wealth. She needed something else, in this case Girls Aloud, to make some money. If she had never tried out for the band she would still be as good looking but without the money. I hope this makes sense.

liah · 23-05-2011 05:03PM

HavingCrack wrote: »

I'm not sure what the cheating on her has to do with my point? Unless you're saying that some women are only attracted to men who are going to cheat on them?

No I am aware of that. But that wasn't really my point. My point is that her looks only had an indirect part on her wealth. Merely being good looking isn't a recipe for fame and fortune in itself. It requires something else, in this case the singing. I'm sure there are lots of women as good looking as Cheryl Cole out there who are not rich as a comparison. I'm not able to explain it in any better terms really.

Obviously not but that wasn't my point. I was trying to say that her looks alone didn't 'directly' lead to wealth. She needed something else, in this case Girls Aloud, to make some money. If she had never tried out for the band she would still be as good looking but without the money. I hope this makes sense.

Yeah, it makes sense, except for the bolded bit - how do you explain the (swimsuit, page 3 type) modeling industry? They certainly make a pretty penny based on no more than their appearance. Unless you count posing in a fixed and sexy position as a skillset.

HavingCrack · 23-05-2011 05:04PM

seenitall wrote: »

LOL at this. What was, IYO, the single most determining factor of her being selected for Girls Aloud?

Looks and image are everything in the showbiz of today. I'd bet that even her height as relative to the other members of the group had more to do with her being selected, than her singing ability did.

Sigh, you've missed my point :pac:. Look I am not saying that she was not selected on the basis of her looks. What I am trying to say is that her looks alone did not bring her fame and fortune. She needed Girls Aloud to do that. If she never tried out for Girls Aloud she would still look the same but without the money. Without her looks she would not be a member of Girls Aloud but equally without Girls Aloud she would not have her wealth.

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