sexy girls have it easy(ier)

musicmonky

im getting me a nice dress , a bit of slap and maybe a wig :rolleyes:


http://vimeo.com/12030156

Silverfish

Interesting.

I've noticed this myself, when I have makeup on, hair done etc people are a lot nicer to me and a lot more helpful than when I haven't.

However, my attitude is probably a lot more different on days where I feel more confident and I'm not worrying about how if my hair is a mess or whatever, so it could be them.... Or it could be what I am projecting.

I noticed her attitude differed between her two 'characters' as well.

Still, not worth the risk, I better stick with the makeup!

serenacat

not surprising at all, however it was partly confidence as she was way more confident in the dress

Yahew

yes, but sexy girls would be ( more confident).

musicmonky

mind = blown .

I am lost for words.

its a long video but just watch the first 2 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex33wtqnNz8&feature=feedwll

Ickle Magoo

Sorry, what point are you making?

Julybreeze

I'm sorry but the 'not sexy' version was too extreme, she looked like a homeless person who needed a good scrub. The video is very well made but her efforts are flawed as the 'sexy' her is much more flirtatious and confident and c'mon was the bum bag really necessary?!

Video aside, I agree sexy girls have it easier but only when the vendor is male or lesbian i'd imagine.

I absoloutely use this to my advantage.

Men are just too easy.

Silverfish

Deleted User wrote: »

I absoloutely use this to my advantage.

Men are just too easy.

Please read the charter with regards to generalisations of either gender.

Thanks.

CaliforniaDream

Had she dressed normally (for lack of a better word) and acted the same, there's a chance she's get the same treatment.

Saying prettier people get more based on that video is ridiculous. Confident people get more.

I'd like to see her do a video where's she's dressed in jeans, casual top and runners compared to the dressed up version, and being as persistent. We'd probably have a different outcome.

pseudonym1

Ya but its more of a confidience thing

My (sexy) mate insists on spending very little on a night out. Instead she gets guys to buy her drink. I no longer go out with her as its not my idea of a good time.

People are suckers for a pretty face. I've seen this happen with hot guys as well though, so I don't think it's just about women.
And I think it's more about confidence too. Notice with the buses Ms.Plain was "Oh, could I get on for free?" whereas Ms.Sexy just walked on. With that attitude it's easy for the driver to just assume she has an oyster card or something.

Wolflikeme

Deleted User wrote: »

I absoloutely use this to my advantage.

Men are just too easy.

Yeah but there are some of us who aren't stupid and will just tell you to jog on!

I was abused in a club once because I wouldn't order a girl a drink. She knew what she was doing and so did I.

I think it's worth noting too that men know what women are doing, but some just don't care that much and think 'ah why not'. It's not like they're being manipulated like you seem to think.

Wolflikeme

pseudonym1 wrote: »

Ya but its more of a confidience thing

My (sexy) mate insists on spending very little on a night out. Instead she gets guys to buy her drink. I no longer go out with her as its not my idea of a good time.

Who are these morons who willingly buy women drink all night? I don't know any of them!

Ickle Magoo

Wolflikeme, please read the forum charter and heed the ethos of this forum.

TaraFoxglove

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Yeah but there are some of us who aren't stupid and will just tell you to jog on!

Absolutely and it's heartening to see!

I have an acquaintance who tries to use her feminine wiles to get her way. Depressingly, it works a fair bit (she has a cutesy vibe going on), but happily not always, especially with men who have got to know her better. I have seen a few men :rolleyes: at her behaviour.

Wolflikeme wrote: »

I think it's worth noting too that men know what women are doing, but some just don't care that much and think 'ah why not'. It's not like they're being manipulated like you seem to think.

Yeah, they've just got an easy-going personality but are no fools at the same time.

greengiant09

pseudonym1 wrote: »

Ya but its more of a confidience thing

My (sexy) mate insists on spending very little on a night out. Instead she gets guys to buy her drink. I no longer go out with her as its not my idea of a good time.

yeah, there's something about this behaviour that reeks of desperation and is really not attractive or noble. i mean drink isn't that expensive!...plus, would you want all the crap that comes with it. it's not a million miles away from those eejits who go round robbing other peoples drinks in clubs.....something very pathetic about it.

from a guys perspective, i really don't think i could be arsed trying to impress someone for a measly drink....

tigerblob

Julybreeze wrote: »

Video aside, I agree sexy girls have it easier but only when the vendor is male or lesbian i'd imagine.

I don't agree; I think very attractive people are better treated whether they are male or female and whether the vendor is male or female.

On another note I really need to start making an effort lol, I had no idea wearing make up and high heels could get you free chocolate! In fairness though I don't think dolled-up me gets the same attention as she gets. People can still be horrible

Truley

I only watched the first two segments but I'm not convinced of what she's trying to prove. I think she deliberately makes her acting far less convincing when she's 'unsexy'. On the bus she went straight up to the driver and asked could she get on for free, the second time she just walked past. Of course it's going to be easier to get on that way. Also, as another poster pointed out, when she's dressed down she looks way OTT, like she might be homeless or a bit deranged. I think this clip is saying more about class identity than gender stereotypes.

I do agree it all boils down to confidence and/or cockiness when it comes to getting what you want.

Wolflikeme

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Absolutely and it's heartening to see!

I have an acquaintance who tries to use her feminine wiles to get her way. Depressingly, it works a fair bit (she has a cutesy vibe going on)

That 'cutesy' vibe can come across as just plain dim at times! Tell her to be careful...or not!

TaraFoxglove

Wolflikeme wrote: »

That 'cutesy' vibe can come across as just plain dim at times! Tell her to be careful...or not!

She actively likes coming across as dim, a bit "little girl lost".

iguana

Truley wrote: »

On the bus she went straight up to the driver and asked could she get on for free, the second time she just walked past. Of course it's going to be easier to get on that way.

I switched off at that point. What a load of nonsense. Of course asking a bus driver if you can ride for free will get you nowhere. While walking on with a crowd and smiling confidently at the bus driver might well mean he didn't notice you not touching your card off the reader. (Many London buses routes have no cash pay option, you must pre-pay, so the bus drivers don't always check if people touch their cards or not.)

Faith

I also only watched a minute or two because it wasn't a good experiment. You can't make any real conclusions from it.

However, I do notice that in every day life. When I'm dressed up, with nice clothes and make up, people are much friendlier to me. Yesterday morning I was at the shop. I was hungover to shíte, had no make up on, and had just taken the dog for a walk in the damp so my hair looked awful and I was wearing a big windbreaker. I stopped at the butcher's counter and the young guy working there just looked through me. He looked at me standing there, and then looked to see if there was anyone else to serve first. Even though I was perfectly friendly and smiling, he barely even made eye contact. If I'd looked well, or even average, he would have been a lot friendlier.

I am very aware of it happening. It could be a confidence thing - I feel better when I look well, but either way it's not a great thing to happen.

Teddy_Picker

Silly video. Why would anyone assume that they could get something for nothing? It's probable that the "hot" version of her was also refused point blank, only it wasn't shown. I'm sure she has a valid point to make, but as a social experiment, this is useless.

Salty

greengiant09 wrote: »

yeah, there's something about this behaviour that reeks of desperation and is really not attractive or noble. i mean drink isn't that expensive!...plus, would you want all the crap that comes with it. it's not a million miles away from those eejits who go round robbing other peoples drinks in clubs.....something very pathetic about it.

from a guys perspective, i really don't think i could be arsed trying to impress someone for a measly drink....

I think sometimes it goes beyond just wanting a free drink. They like using their "aesthetics" to prove to themselves that they have power over other people, particularly men unfortunately. It's about the ego boost and the power-trip more than the drink. They know they look good, and find it fun to prove to themselves over and over again that this can get them freebies/drinks/jobs or whatever. They have a control of sorts. I wonder what happens when they start to age...

TaraFoxglove

_meehan_ wrote: »

I wonder what happens when they start to age...

It doesn't work for them any more. Simple.

I_am_LOST

The video isn't great for evidence of this. But I do agree that sexy girls have it easier. I wear little makeup and casual clothes most of the time, unless I'm going out at night or on special occasions etc. So I notice that when I'm done up in makeup, hair done, wearing a dress etc. everybody is MUCH friendlier to me than if I wasn't dressed up.

Sad but that's the way life is I suppose!

On a similar note, I never get hit on or asked out by guys unless I'm done up, in make up etc. Although I suppose that's a separate issue and most would argue that's fair enough

micayla

I have actually found the opposite, I don't get hit on when I'm out and dressed up and wearing make-up, whereas I have been hit on when I'm looking a mess, hungover etc. I find people are nice regardless once I'm friendly

convert

I think a lot of it has to do with confidence - most people tend to be more confident if they're dressed nicely, compared with when they're not.

In general, I do find people are more helpful if you're dressed better, but as for getting hit on when I'm really dressed up, I don't think that's entirely accurate for me ('tho I think it has a lot to do with the fact that when I'm on a night out, I'm generally in the company of guys, so not exactly an encouraging situation for guys to approach me). I've been asked out when wearing jeans and an ordinary top, and, more bizaarely, when wearing riding gear (helmet, jodhpurs and boots) by a guy I'd only just met - he couldn't see most of my face! :eek: That said, however, when I have been hit on quite a lot when at black tie events.

So it would appear that unless I'm dressed down or wearing a ball gown, I'm of no interest to the opposite sex! Go figure!

Nolanger

convert wrote: »

I think a lot of it has to do with confidence -

I think this has more to do with looking less black/immigrant when she has the make-up on? Maybe the black/asian drivers are less inclined to refuse a 'white' girl's request for a free trip? Or maybe she looks more middle-class and respectable wearing the make-up and the drivers don't want to offend?

dammitjanet

I think she knew what she wanted her end result to be when she started her "experiment" so didn't try the same way as the "not sexy" her as with the "sexy" her. It would have been better to make the point of how people treat you differently if you're confident/not confident (and to be honest she seemed to be fliting to get what she wanted [as proved by how she got asked out, along with her free cake]). All in all, pretty pointless video- if you're not going to subject the two options to the same conditions, it's not worth doing an experiment

Science is fun :pac:

Silverfish

Nolanger wrote: »

I think this has more to do with looking less black/immigrant when she has the make-up on? Maybe the black/asian drivers are less inclined to refuse a 'white' girl's request for a free trip? Or maybe she looks more middle-class and respectable wearing the make-up and the drivers don't want to offend?

Can we ease up on the racism, please.

Wompa1

I've started seeing a girl that's way out of my league and very good looking but she seems to dislike that she gets treated differently for her looks.

She's doing a course in college that is predominantly male. She over hears comments about her and can't go out for class parties anymore because any time she does one of the guys tries it on with her.

She say's too that a lot of women take an instant dislike to her and guys tend to think she's stupid and ditzy before they even know her.

At the same time she say's she does notice that a lot of guys are a lot more friendly and would go out of their way to help her.

Looks like a double edge sword to me..I'd still talk looks over what I got!!

TaraFoxglove

Wompa1 wrote: »

She say's too that a lot of women take an instant dislike to her

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

ztoical

iguana wrote: »

While walking on with a crowd and smiling confidently at the bus driver might well mean he didn't notice you not touching your card off the reader. (Many London buses routes have no cash pay option, you must pre-pay, so the bus drivers don't always check if people touch their cards or not.)

+ 1 Also if a ticket inspector/surpvisor gets on the bus and the girl has just walked on the Driver can just say he/she missed her when she got on but if the driver said she didn't have to pay and your one tells the inspector this the driver would be all sorts of issues. Have seen plenty of bus drivers let people on for free for a whole heap of reasons not related to how the person looked, the majority of the time it's a case of look the other way rather then saying anything directly so they can cover their own asses...hell the only time I got a free bus ride was when I looked like utter crap after having a really bad day and my weekly pass had just run out and I think the bus driver just felt sorry for me.

Wompa1

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

I've never heard or seen a girl treat a good looking girl like crap instantly before :rolleyes: SARCASM ALERT!!

There's instances even on Boards of girls hating good looking women for no logical reason and hiding the fact it's because of their looks. But again it's up to each of us to make up our own minds on I'd say because women who would dislike another woman because of her looks would never admit to that being the reason.

http://ms-jd.org/when-other-women-hate-you-because-you039re-beautiful

I'm neither a woman nor am I good looking myself but over the years of living, I've drawn my own conclusion that some women dislike good looking women because of their looks.

professore

_meehan_ wrote: »

I wonder what happens when they start to age...

They probably become bitter and twisted.

TaraFoxglove

Wompa1 wrote: »

I've never heard or seen a girl treat a good looking girl like crap instantly before :rolleyes: SARCASM ALERT!!

Yeah, and in many cases it might be entirely imagined. Also, if your GF's course is male-dominated, of course she's bound to get lots of attention, I bet most of the girls in the class do.

Wompa1 wrote: »

There's instances even on Boards of girls hating good looking women for no logical reason and hiding the fact it's because of their looks.

Examples, please. No excuses, this site has a search facility.

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm neither a woman nor am I good looking myself but over the years of living, I've drawn my own conclusion that some women dislike good looking women because of their looks.

Some do, some don't. It's hard to muster sympathy TBH. Life is easier for good-looking people, undoubtedly, so it's easy to see where some resentment might happen.

Wompa1

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Yeah, and in many cases it might be entirely imagined. Also, if your GF's course is male-dominated, of course she's bound to get lots of attention, I bet most of the girls in the class do.



Examples, please. No excuses, this site has a search facility.



Some do, some don't. It's hard to muster sympathy TBH. Life is easier for good-looking people, undoubtedly, so it's easy to see where some resentment might happen.

Will post examples later when I get back from work. I'm sure I remember quite a lot of Cheryl Cole jibes in threads over the years.

No disagreement on life being easier in a way. I'm sure good lucking people still have a lot of bad luck in terms of friends or family dying and different personal issues but I would think for good looking people the little things are easier. like getting a job!

TaraFoxglove

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm sure I remember quite a lot of Cheryl Cole jibes in threads over the years.

Ah now, in fairness, I've heard men express dislike for her just as much as women. I think she's pretty but in a very thuggish, classless sort of way (well founded, I think, she is a convicted thug and that thuggishness shines through, IMO). No doubt that will put down to me being jealous. But I would never wish to trade with her. There are many famous women I think are breathtakingly beautiful and I feel not a bit of envy towards them.

But you seem to be saying that people criticising Cole for her past behaviour or whatever is down to them being envious of her looks. Do you really think that's fair? Many people, male and female, find her overrated looks-wise and are unimpressed by her behaviour in a nightclub bathroom all those years ago. It's not always envy.

Wompa1

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Ah now, in fairness, I've heard men express dislike for her just as much as women. I think she's pretty but in a very thuggish, classless sort of way (well founded, I think, she is a convicted thug). No doubt that will put down to me being jealous. But I would never wish to trade with her.

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

Silverfish

Wompa1 wrote: »

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

If you can find it in this forum, then it may be relevant.
If it isn't on this forum, then I will ask you not to drag it in here.
We are not responsible for all opinions of women everywhere.

Other than that, women can comment on another woman's looks without it being jealousy. I've seen men comment negatively on some women, are they jealous also?

TaraFoxglove

Wompa1 wrote: »

Ah yeah but I believe it was around her looks..saying she looks fake and plastic.

Compare pictures of her now to when she started out. Veneers and whatnot. Very brittle.

Silverfish wrote: »

If you can find it in this forum, then it may be relevant.
If it isn't on this forum, then I will ask you not to drag it in here.

Sorry, that's my fault, I asked for proof. My bad.

Silverfish wrote: »

Other than that, women can comment on another woman's looks without it being jealousy. I've seen men comment negatively on some women, are they jealous also?

+1

Wompa1

Whoops. Ok nevermind! It's just my opinion anyway because it's a pretty subjective discussion.

liah

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

seenitall

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Do they actually, though? Sorry this kind of contention kinda makes me :rolleyes: a little bit.

Oh I believe it alright. It's the other side of the coin of telling over-weight women: "Ah you're grand, you don't need to get any thinner" (on which issue there was a thread on here recently); sure, some women who say this mean well, but if they are significantly thinner and get more attention for that reason than the overweight friend, I'd be wary of their motivations for encouraging the person to stay the same weight.

The same with super beautiful women; sure, some people may not like their personalities, but it would plain defy the odds of human nature if some nay-saying women weren't at it out of pure envy and feeling threatened (even if only subconsciously). With men's negative remarks, it's more clear cut because the competitive aspect is completely missing.

We all know how women today are both over- and under-valued in the society on the basis of their looks; it makes perfect sense to me that this is the area where all the inscurities, the competitiveness and the hidden agendas will come to the fore for women. When talking about looks, it is in comparison with others that we "fail" or "pass" the test. We all measure ourselves against others, every day, in different ways - it's an integral part of belonging to a society and a community.

Yahew

liah wrote: »

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

You're a bit more than average, based on the photos you post. However, I think that you are correct in that. A good looking girl who has not got the confidence that people think she should have, is in a very strange position. And tends to end up with Bad Boys.

On the other hand a confident sex[y hot girl has advantages: Cheryl Cole may be hated irrationally by some women ( she certainly doesn't come across as a thug to me); and she ended up with the Bad Boy; and yet, and yet. She is very rich. And she is rich because she is hot.

TaraFoxglove

Yahew wrote: »

( she certainly doesn't come across as a thug to me)

Sorry, but I have to link this new story to show my views aren't unfounded:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3207822.stm

That is the actions of a thug. Yes, it's years ago now, but very few people would ever do what she did.

Back on topic!

HavingCrack

Wompa1 wrote: »

I've started seeing a girl that's way out of my league and very good looking but she seems to dislike that she gets treated differently for her looks.

Am I the only one who finds this attitude kind of strange and self defeating? How is a woman out of your league when you're going out with her? Surely that mean's that she is in your league. How is your girlfriend out of your league when she is your girlfriend?

As far as I am concerned no one is ever out of your league and even thinking this way just seems very strange to me. I think this is kind of important as regards this thread. I know some lads who buy drinks for women that they think they won't ever be able to win over otherwise.

TaraFoxglove

liah wrote: »

I think people are forgetting that there tends to be balance in everything, and while good-looking women might have some advantages, they have just as many disadvantages as a result: paranoia over motives (e.g. does he like me or just want to bang me?), dealing with potentially unfounded competitiveness/jealousy/cattiness from other women, by default being seen as something to be lusted after rather than as an actual person, men expect you to be manipulating them for gain even if you're just being nice or otherwise non-manipulative, dealing with a constant stream of potentially unwanted sexual attention, having your intelligence/interests constantly underestimated, etc.

A lot of good-looking women are incredibly insecure, and it's not exactly hard to see why. It must be tough to trust people. Just because some of us may not be great-looking doesn't mean we can't appreciate that with every good comes bad, and the grass isn't always greener.

Having people fall all over you seems like a lovely idea to those of us who are average, but I think we only envision this in 'fantasy-mode,' without the reality of repercussions and repetition to ruin that said fantasy for us. A lot of those things are nice in moderation - it's a different story entirely when they become your entire life.

I agree but my problem is that often women who perceive other women to be jealous and men to lust after them have a over-inflated view of their own looks, and can often be fairly average. Then it gets a bit :rolleyes:.

It's not always the best looking women who think themselves great-looking. Now there's nothing wrong with confidence, whatever you look like, but when people start being accused of jealousy when they're patently not, that gets tiresome.

liah

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

I agree but my problem is that often women who perceive other women to be jealous and men to lust after them have a over-inflated view of their own looks, and can often be fairly average. Then it gets a bit :rolleyes:.

It's not always the best looking women who think they themselves are great-looking.

Of course, but they're not the ones I'm talking about; I think it was obvious given the context of the thread that I'm on about legitimately beautiful women and not just the type who have an overinflated ego?