What do you really think of transexuals?

Kanoe · 20-05-2011 02:13AM

pappyodaniel wrote: »

A neighbour of mine is a tranny. Since the operation there was an air of confidence about him/her (still can't get used to it) but a couple of years went by and he's now on leave from his job and has spent a week in hospital being treated for depression and suicide.

I suppose there was an initial happiness in becoming the person he wanted to be. But as time went by he realised life is sh!t besides whatever gender you are.

That's sad

I always felt like I was born in the wrong body but I'm happy with what I've got and in a way I'm glad I never did anything about it. I still feel like I have the heart of a man (the best bit) but the rest of me is a woman. I've always felt like this and I'd hate to be any other way. actually, I think I fairly perfect and only wish everybody was as balanced :pac:

Snappy the Moose · 20-05-2011 02:16AM

I feel a bit sad over my body because I don't have a 14' mickey but it doesn't mean I'm gonna get it guillotined off.

Every hole is a goal but a rubber gash is just pointless tbf.

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:25AM

Links234 wrote: »

scaremongering rubbish

from most trans communities I'd be a part of, the common rule would be that any prospective partner would be told before the first kiss.

lets not perpetuate harmful stereotypes that trans people are just out to trick and hurt people, shall we?

I read and was told multiple times over on the LGBT forum that they wouldn't tell out of safety concerns as they wont know how the person will react until they get to know them better, so it is not scaremongering, you know that many have that attitude to it.

If I'm not mistaken there were a few cases were people reacted badly and the person got beaten.

Links234 · 20-05-2011 02:28AM

shoegirl wrote: »

Thats not actually uncommon.

I've spoken to a number of people online who've transitioned, and then de-transitioned.

All of the people I've spoken to have done so because of external factors and pressures. Friends, family, work, church. And I've spoken to people who've halted their transitions because of financial reasons too, that's one of the most common reasons for de-transition. And many, once they're more financially stable, will resume their transition. I never spoken to anyone who've said well, I'm just not transgender, this wasn't for me. It's always been some form of pressure on the person.

I think that when people hear of transgender people 'changing back' they tend to ask, are people transitioning for the wrong reasons? But they don't seem to ask, are people de-transitioning for the wrong reasons?

Links234 · 20-05-2011 02:30AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I read and was told multiple times over on the LGBT forum that they wouldn't tell out of safety concerns as they wont know how the person will react until they get to know them better, so it is not scaremongering, you know that many have that attitude to it.

If I'm not mistaken there were a few cases were people reacted badly and the person got beaten.

Getting to know someone != sleeping with them

HazDanz · 20-05-2011 02:31AM

The idea of "natural" sexual practice always seems to be the core issue for discussions on sexuality. It bothers me when people refer to sexual practices like being a transsexual as unnatural or it's disgusting.... Why respond this way? The way I see it nature doesn't have a role in this because nature as an entity is value free, it has no preference in the practices of humans and it has no ultimate plan for humans. What is deemed 'right' sexual practice is a result of value based judgments of people. Whether the value based judgments are formed through religion, the DSM (the psychiatric bible), politics, law it is clear that acceptable sexual practice is governed by the dominant value judgments of the public (i.e. the most popular belief system in place presently). Social norms can be crippling to people who are outside the popular grouping. Such as transsexuals. Homosexuality was a mental illness until 1973 (or there abouts) in the DSM... Why? People just simply needed to put what was viewed deviant sexual behavior into a box, labeled as wrong, so as society it could justify their current norms being valid.

Basically my view is everyone deserves to do as they please with their body and use it in whatever way they see fit as long as it doesn't infringe on peoples human rights. Transsexuals hardly fall into that category.

T2daK · 20-05-2011 02:31AM

Links234 wrote: »

scaremongering rubbish

from most trans communities I'd be a part of, the common rule would be that any prospective partner would be told before the first kiss.

lets not perpetuate harmful stereotypes that trans people are just out to trick and hurt people, shall we?

ya well they do. because one went around trying to get with some relations thank god they didnt fancy them back

T2daK · 20-05-2011 02:32AM

Snappy the Moose wrote: »

I feel a bit sad over my body because I don't have a 14' mickey but it doesn't mean I'm gonna get it guillotined off.

Every hole is a goal but a rubber gash is just pointless tbf.

i do, wanna borrow some?

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:32AM

Links234 wrote: »

Getting to know someone != sleeping with them

But not everyone would tell before an emotional connection was established or as you say before the first kiss would they?

Its not scaremongering its fact and you know it.

T2daK · 20-05-2011 02:33AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I read and was told multiple times over on the LGBT forum that they wouldn't tell out of safety concerns as they wont know how the person will react until they get to know them better, so it is not scaremongering, you know that many have that attitude to it.

If I'm not mistaken there were a few cases were people reacted badly and the person got beaten.

deserved

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:33AM

T2daK wrote: »

deserved

No, no beating was deserved you...

T2daK · 20-05-2011 02:34AM

HazDanz wrote: »

The idea of "natural" sexual practice always seems to be the core issue for discussions on sexuality. It bothers me when people refer to sexual practices like being a transsexual as unnatural or it's disgusting.... Why respond this way? The way I see it nature doesn't have a role in this because nature as an entity is value free, it has no preference in the practices of humans and it has no ultimate plan for humans. What is deemed 'right' sexual practice is a result of value based judgments of people. Whether the value based judgments are formed through religion, the DSM (the psychiatric bible), politics, law it is clear that acceptable sexual practice is governed by the dominant value judgments of the public (i.e. the most popular belief system in place presently). Social norms can be crippling to people who are outside the popular grouping. Such as transsexuals. Homosexuality was a mental illness until 1973 (or there abouts) in the DSM... Why? People just simply needed to put what was viewed deviant sexual behavior into a box, labeled as wrong, so as society it could justify their current norms being valid.

Basically my view is everyone deserves to do as they please with their body and use it in whatever way they see fit as long as it doesn't infringe on peoples human rights. Transsexuals hardly fall into that category.

nature gives men a penis and women a vagina. Thats f-ing nature

DyldeBrill · 20-05-2011 02:35AM

gas lookin

T2daK · 20-05-2011 02:37AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

But not everyone would tell before an emotional connection was established or as you say before the first kiss would they?

Its not scaremongering its fact and you know it.

I personally think its people who are gay and are against gays so they change their sex and dont feel guilty about riding them because then they think they're not gay now. if ya get me?

K-9 · 20-05-2011 02:38AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

No, no beating was deserved you idiot.

Indeed.

Homosexuality used to be punishable by death, then imprisonment, then by flogging, then they made it legal, now they are looking for equal rights, I'm getting out before they make it compulsory!

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:38AM

T2daK wrote: »

I personally think its people who are gay and are against gays so they change their sex and dont feel guilty about riding them because then they think they're not gay now. if ya get me?

I'll let links set you right on that score.

Links234 · 20-05-2011 02:39AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

But not everyone would tell before an emotional connection was established or as you say before the first kiss would they?

Its not scaremongering its fact and you know it.

what I know is that most transgender people wouldn't get into any intimate relationship without their prospective partner knowing. a lot don't even go on a date without telling someone first.

it's scaremongering plain and simple

Links234 · 20-05-2011 02:41AM

****ing troll threads, why am I sucked in? it's always going around in the same circles... >_<

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:41AM

Links234 wrote: »

what I know is that most transgender people wouldn't get into any intimate relationship without their prospective partner knowing. a lot don't even go on a date without telling someone first.

it's scaremongering plain and simple

Do I need to go through the threads were I was told that people wouldn't tell as they were concerned for their own safety and that they shouldn't have to tell before as they shouldn't have to "miss out on love"? I remember reading, I will go searching if needs be.

HazDanz · 20-05-2011 02:44AM

T2daK wrote: »

nature gives men a penis and women a vagina. Thats f-ing nature

Want to expand on that?

Galway K9 · 20-05-2011 02:45AM

We should inform the Transexual and Bi gender forum of this...:D

Lone Stone · 20-05-2011 02:45AM

more boobies in the world is never a bad thing !
Besides i met transexual or what ever they like to be called once, some friend introduced me to her and i was like oh hay , she was feckin hot like then he was like that was a guy in your face and i was all dam i still would :eek:

blackalicious · 20-05-2011 02:46AM

i think it would be extremely traumatic to be a transexual. i wouldn't like for my child to be one mainly for the reason of how hard their life would be.

having said that i wouldn't disown my child and i would support him/her in their decision. basically in my view no one would go through all the **** that is involved in changing gender both from a physical and societal point of view unless they truly felt unhappy in their gender and i think to actually change gender would be one of the bravest thing someone could do.

so i tip my hat to anyone who does so and i hope the change would bring them happiness

soppy post

Links234 · 20-05-2011 02:46AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Do I need to go through the threads were I was told that people wouldn't tell as they were concerned for their own safety and that they shouldn't have to tell before as they shouldn't have to "miss out on love"? I remember reading, I will go searching if needs be.

Oh FFS... yes, transgender people don't tell right away!

sometimes, a trans person going on a date, will *shock/horror* just talk to a prospective date first!

this is stupid. why am I bothering?

Snappy the Moose · 20-05-2011 02:47AM

Lone Stone wrote: »

more boobies in the world is never a bad thing !
Besides i met transexual or what ever they like to be called once, some friend introduced me to her and i was like oh hay , she was feckin hot like then he was like that was a guy in your face and i was all dam i still would :eek:

You would want to have a good few pints of juice in ya before you got stuck into one of them creatures.

Wolfe Tone · 20-05-2011 02:48AM

Links234 wrote: »

Oh FFS... yes, transgender people don't tell right away!

sometimes, a trans person going on a date, will *shock/horror* just talk to a prospective date first!

this is stupid. why am I bothering?

So when should they tell then?

Im disappointed that you would accuse me of scaremongering wen you were witness and read a thread elsewhere in which people argued that they should not have to tell.

Kanoe · 20-05-2011 02:51AM

T2daK wrote: »

nature gives men a penis and women a vagina. Thats f-ing nature

nature gave me excessive androgen levels

and its not really about orientation, (being gay) that's the confusing bit.

Galway K9 · 20-05-2011 02:53AM

zxy wrote: »

nature gave me excessive androgen levels

and its not really about orientation, (being gay) that's the confusing bit.

and there here....lete the GAYTES open...

/lock

hare05 · 20-05-2011 03:01AM

The problem is stereotype. Transgender people are treated as second class citizens by most, and as abominations by many of the rest.

There seems to be this sick fetishizing going on where a trans person, once revealed, becomes two dimensional in the eyes of the uninformed. They no longer care about who you are, they only care about the 'tranny' status.

We're thought of as dishonest for not having TRANNY stamped on our foreheads. We're not. The person you see is the person you get. You would never demand to inspect a girl's genitals before you know their name, and yet that's the first thing asked of us if we're open about our past. It's demeaning, it's insulting, it tells us immediately that you no longer care about who we are.

So why let that happen when you're most likely never going to get in my pants in the first place?

Also, to Wolfe Tone: In a perfect world we wouldn't have to tell. It shouldn't matter. If I'm in a relationship with someone, I'm there for them and they're there for me. We tell out of a courtesy we are not required to provide, and should not be required.

I'd happily live out and proud if there weren't fanatics out there willing to murder me for the crime of muddying up their scenery.

Links234 · 20-05-2011 03:03AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So when should they tell then?

before... the... first... kiss...

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Im disappointed that you would accuse me of scaremongering wen you were witness and read a thread elsewhere in which people argued that they should not have to tell.

nobody argued that they shouldn't have to tell, they argued that they shouldn't have to tell right away, and have a little discretion as to when they should tell a prospective partner

oh ffs, I give up

I'm glad I don't date anyone

What do you really think of transexuals?

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