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What do you really think of transexuals?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    **** this for a lark

    How about Lady Gaga's video for Judas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Trollsexuals need help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Elisabeth Blanctorche


    Live and let live. So long as their choices don't harm or affect you or anyone else in any way whatsoever then who really cares? I would be shocked if a child of mine told me they were , but would still love and respect them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Links234 wrote: »
    **** this for a lark

    How about Lady Gaga's video for Judas?

    So you really think she's "bluffin with her muffin" then? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    What do you think of them?
    Seems to be a lot of political correctness on boards, but honestly beyond all that, what do you genuinely think of them.
    If your son came home and told you he was getting a sex change, how would you feel? I for one would be absolutely humiliated and disgusted, the whole thing is just wrong in my eyes

    Don't know why you'd be humiliated or disgusted, it's no reflection on you.

    I don't know any transsexuals so I can't comment from the experience of knowing one, doesn't stop many.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    I don't think it is a superficial choice made on a whim; it certainly isn't, "gee!! I'm bored with my penis, I think I am going to cut it off and tell all my friends and family that I am female now".
    hee hee:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Some scientists believe it is completely psychological as many transsexuals suffer from depression and anxiety while also having a high suicide rate compared to heterosexuals. Perhaps those particular mental health issues arise from the publics response to these people rather than what they are doing themselves. ie the discrimination they suffer in society.

    I don't believe transsexualism is a physical condition. The feeling of being a woman trapped in a mans body and vice versa is a psychological feeling, it's not a want for the the body to become gender re-assigned. Studies have also shown that transsexuals are far less social than other people. Homosexuals are now widely accepted in society whereas before their social lives would have been destroyed by the shame and guilt they were made feel by the general population.

    I certainly would hate to feel like any of those people. I don't have a problem with anyone. I think some people have huge mental issues to deal with with while being discriminated against for how they feel. Can't be easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    I don't understand people who get angry at the choices of people they don't know that don't affect them.
    Why waste your time and energy thinking about them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Some people aren't cut out for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    couldent care less what other people do it's none of my buisness or anyone elses


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    Daegerty wrote: »
    I wonder if some are just lads who find it hard to get a roide and want to cross over to the other side for that reason

    there is also a disproportionate amount of them crossing over from male to female which bothers me because it's like their deserting my gender, as if there is something wrong with being a mani

    Given your posts on the issue, you're certainly strengthening the prosecutions case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    I think transexualism demonstrates the classic case of people hating/fearing something they don't understand.

    Think about the whole "it's psychological" case. Even if it was purely psychological, what're you meant to do? Try and force them to think they're their gender? Drugs? It'd be like if you went and thought homosexualism was just purely psychological. How palpable is to try and make homosexual people straight? Exactly. Psychological issues are not all the same, because you can cure depression, doesn't mean you can "cure" transexuals. It's a personality trait, a fundamental part of a human, and something it's not something they don't want (transgender people want to be their desired sex, whereas depressed people DON'T want to be depressed).

    Note, I'm not saying it's psychological, I'm simply saying that if it was, what d'you do if it was?

    Secondly, if the person is happy getting their gender changed, then what's that got to do with you? As long as someone is doing that is making them happy and it doesn't harm anyone else, does it matter what they do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    they all have lovely bottoms


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    So you really think she's "bluffin with her muffin" then? :p

    aren't we all? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭bonzodog2


    I only know 1 personally, M-->F, not sure if they've gone the whole way yet.
    It must take a great deal of courage IMO, and determination to go down that route.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭flanum


    it doesnt bother me but i tried workin out.. if.. so a man is born a man and feels like he's actually a woman and is attracted to men is he gay? then if he goes ahead and gets the operation and becomes a woman, does that make him straight?? also is there such a thing as a say for example.. man that feels hes a woman trapped in a mans body but has feelings for women, pre op... does that make him a lesbian or straight?? and what about the hermaphrodites??? aahhh!!! the human condition is far too complex o be labeling as "x" "y" and "z" methinks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Saila wrote: »
    they all have lovely bottoms

    Not if you mean front bottoms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Couldnt give a toss. As long as they arent hurting anyone, who cares. Hate people who think they should have a say in how other live their life. I'd never be ashamed of my kids unless they were out causing harm to other people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    A neighbour of mine is a tranny. Since the operation there was an air of confidence about him/her (still can't get used to it) but a couple of years went by and he's now on leave from his job and has spent a week in hospital being treated for depression and suicide.

    I suppose there was an initial happiness in becoming the person he wanted to be. But as time went by he realised life is sh!t besides whatever gender you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I was always totally supportive of transexuals and had no problem with it at all until I actually met one.

    When I lived abroad a girl started in my job and after a while she announced she was a transexual and wanted to be known as, let's just say Tom.

    She started hormone treatment changed gender on her passport to a male. Well I'm not exagerating when I say that this girl was the girliest girl you'd ever meet in interests, mannerisms, etc. There was nothing masculine about her whatsoever, except she would dress like a boy.

    We we all totally supportive of her but will admit I was totally baffled as to how this girlie girl could feel like a man. How on earth did she feel she was born in the wrong body? How can someone like her know what it feels like to be a man, iykwim? She said she knew from the time she was around 16 that she was born into the wrong body. Most transexuals I'd ever heard discussing it would say they'd always felt all their lives they were born in the wrong body. I'm certainly no doctor but I said there was no way she'd ever go through with the full sex change.

    Anyway, in the end she changed her mind about the whole thing. She admitted she regretted going through with it, so stopped her hormonal treatment, changed the gender on her passport back to female and started wearing dresses into work!

    I'd always assumed you would have to go through rounds and rounds of psychology tests before you'd even get to the stage of hormonal treatment. I guess I was shocked at how far this person got in her treatment, when I could even tell that she'd never to through with it.

    I always thought that transexuals always knew without doubt that they were were the sex they were looking to change to but meeting that person totally confused me about the whole thing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭AnalogueKid


    Each to their own. I wonder why there are so many from Thailand and South America though - is it their open attitude towards sexuality? There probably are a lot of closet trannies out there for all we know, considering how many closet gays, lesbians and bisexuals there are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    I think if you've got any serious questions, you might want to take it to the LGBT Forum, 'cos this is a complete troll thread anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭shoegirl


    I was always totally supportive of transexuals and had no problem with it at all until I actually met one.

    When I lived abroad a girl started in my job and after a while she announced she was a transexual and wanted to be known as, let's just say Tom.

    She started hormone treatment changed gender on her passport to a male. Well I'm not exagerating when I say that this girl was the girliest girl you'd ever meet in interests, mannerisms, etc. There was nothing masculine about her whatsoever, except she would dress like a boy.

    We we all totally supportive of her but will admit I was totally baffled as to how this girlie girl could feel like a man. How on earth did she feel she was born in the wrong body? How can someone like her know what it feels like to be a man, iykwim? She said she knew from the time she was around 16 that she was born into the wrong body. Most transexuals I'd ever heard discussing it would say they'd always felt all their lives they were born in the wrong body. I'm certainly no doctor but I said there was no way she'd ever go through with the full sex change.

    Anyway, in the end she stopped her hormonal treatment, changed the gender on her passport back to female and started wearing dresses into work!

    I'd always assumed you would have to go through rounds and rounds of psychology tests before you'd even get to the stage of hormonal treatment. I guess I was shocked at how far this person got in her treatment, when I could even tell that she'd never to through with it.

    I always thought that transexuals always knew without doubt that they were were the sex they were looking to change to but meeting that person totally confused me about the whole thing.

    Thats not actually uncommon. Unfortunately there are a lot of obstacles to cross in altering the physical gender so there is always a small risk that a few people may creep through without full checks being in place. While psychological and psychiatric assessment is deep, at least one trans friend has said that because you cannot get surgery (and so the govt doesn't have to pay unless you REALLY fight your case) there are a few doctors that pretty casually refer people, and one person claims that Ireland is the easiest place in the world to get referred because they think you won't actually go ahead with it.

    I have a few trans friends (all M2f) and all are fairly happy in their decisions. One did say that sometimes she did have regrets because a lot of other people in her family got hurt in the process and because it created a huge gap between her past life as a boy and her later life as a woman. In reterospect, she felt it somehow transitioning created a false impression that her old male life was "fake" as opposed to real and on maturity she felt this was a bad thing psychologically. Also she regretted that it created a gap with relationships as people didn't recognise her for obvious reasons.

    I think its fine, we really don't know much about gender identity and despite the myth that its some kind of physical condition of the brain, in fact there is really no definitive evidence and we don't know why some people identify as the opposite gender or why sometimes this doesn't emerge until much later in life. That said it does no harm at all to others and there is no reason why we should deny trans people their full rights in allocating passports, etc. Birth certs I can understand the problem with but I think there is room for exceptions as such documents are really important in life.

    I think its really hard in Ireland, there is a lot of ignorance and it challenges peoples own perceptions about their own gender what you expect from a man or woman in ways that is quite a jolt. We need to understand that it is not harmful to others or society in any way and there is no need at all for any form of discrimination. As for silly stuff like changing rooms and public loos, really this is a bit crazy and people are not doing anybody any harm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    how scary would it be though if you met a girl on night out. brought her home and realised she had her lad stapled back behind?

    Thats why it an important topic. I for one, would puke my ring out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    im thinkin about becoming one just so i can finger myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    Gender studies is a very interesting. Gender is performative, an act, believe it or not.



    Watch from 4.50 on it gives a great example.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    Shane St. wrote: »
    im thinkin about becoming one just so i can finger myself

    i know the feeling. when i was your age, i could reach my a***


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    T2daK wrote: »
    how scary would it be though if you met a girl on night out. brought her home and realised she had her lad stapled back behind?

    Thats why it an important topic. I for one, would puke my ring out
    No it wouldn't be that t all. It would the fact that you would be firmly in a relationship before they would tell you, hence they would have in effect misled you for the entire time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭T2daK


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    No it wouldn't be that t all. It would the fact that you would be firmly in a relationship before they would tell you, hence they would have in effect misled you for the entire time.

    oh my god that is revolting


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    No it wouldn't be that t all. It would the fact that you would be firmly in a relationship before they would tell you, hence they would have in effect misled you for the entire time.
    scaremongering rubbish

    from most trans communities I'd be a part of, the common rule would be that any prospective partner would be told before the first kiss.

    lets not perpetuate harmful stereotypes that trans people are just out to trick and hurt people, shall we?


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