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Racism and prejudice - Should people respect a persons choice?

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  • #62
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    They are not refusing to admit it by keeping it quiet, only if they deny it if they happen to be asked.
    should you lie if asked?


  • #63
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    digme wrote: »
    If i post science, i will be banned.

    If you post bull**** based on an agenda that manipulates scientific evidence then you will.

    If you post credible, peer reviewed research that has some weight among the scientific community, there will be no problem.


  • #64
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    digme wrote: »
    should you lie if asked?

    Well again its a matter of choice. If you happen to dislike a certain group, but your not in any way active about it, why bother broadcasting it.


  • #65
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    BickNarry wrote: »
    If you post bull**** based on an agenda that manipulates scientific evidence then you will.

    If you post credible, peer reviewed research that has some weight among the scientific community, there will be no problem.

    What is it you call them again? Opinions i think it was


  • #66
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    BickNarry wrote: »
    If you post bull**** based on an agenda that manipulates scientific evidence then you will.

    If you post credible, peer reviewed research that has some weight among the scientific community, there will be no problem.
    Peer reviewed journals are politically correct.Would you agree?


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  • #67
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Well again its a matter of choice. If you happen to dislike a certain group, but your not in any way active about it, why bother broadcasting it.
    I agree with you to a certain extent,but what if there are going to be consequences for not speaking your mind?


  • #68
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    digme wrote: »
    I agree with you to a certain extent,but what if there are going to be consequences for not speaking your mind?

    Are we still talking about speaking your mind if its being a racist, or in general?


  • #69
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Are we still talking about speaking your mind if its being a racist, or in general?
    The former.


  • #70
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    What consequences would there be to not telling people your a racist?


  • #71
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    digme wrote: »
    She was speaking about favouritism,which as the media would have you beleive is racism nowadays.

    Bigler looks at where racist attitudes come from in kids. And yes, the media frames issues. But I think you're over estimating the influence of the media on attitudes.
    digme wrote: »
    What do you mean we don't think?Are you referring to your schooling perhaps?

    You seem like a lovely chap.

    No, I meant we don't think any way i.e. have an agenda. You said it's built into us at birth and we all think that way. Nothing is built into us at birth, it's developmentary process that has a lot to do with evolution. We haven't even developed a theory of mind until about age 3, let alone racist behaviour.
    digme wrote: »
    Peer reviewed journals are politically correct.Would you agree?

    No,they're scientifically correct.


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  • #72
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    BickNarry wrote: »
    No, I meant we don't think any way i.e. have an agenda. You said it's built into us at birth and we all think that we. Nothing is built into us at birth,

    How do you know? There is possibly an instinct there to see someone thats obviously different from a very early age. An agenda is a goal. To see others as different from ourselves is not a goal or agenda, it is a characteristic.


  • #73
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    How do you know? There is possibly an instinct there to see someone thats obviously different from a very early age.

    They're not deterministic though.


  • #74
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    BickNarry wrote: »
    Bigler looks at where racist attitudes come from in kids. And yes, the media frames issues. But I think you're over estimating the influence of the media on attitudes.



    You seem like a lovely chap.

    No, I meant we don't think any way i.e. have an agenda. You said it's built into us at birth and we all think that way. Nothing is built into us at birth, it's developmentary process that has a lot to do with evolution. We haven't even developed a theory of mind until about age 3, let alone racist behaviour.



    No,they're scientifically correct.
    Racist means to think another race is inferior.I agree with you on we haven't developed a state of mind till age 3,but after that age we all have the same inherent tendencies.
    As for the media,they have full control over most peoples minds.


  • #75
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    digme wrote: »
    As for the media,they have full control over most peoples minds,they tell them what is important,what to think,what habits to form,what reality to live in.

    No, they don't. It's not that simple.


  • #76
    grenache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    It's totally unacceptable to not like a nationality because of the colour of their skin or how they dress. However, if a person has nothing but negative experiences with a particular ethnic group, then i believe it is wholey acceptable to not like that particular group. I believe it was Martin Luther King who said he wanted to see a day where his children were judged on the content of their character, and not on the colour of their skin. Well i've judged two groups in particular on the "content of their character" and found them severely wanting in the morality stakes.

    In short, it's ok not to like a group of people, as long you don't actively discriminate against them and there is a genuine reason for disliking them.


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course their opinion should be respected if they don't do anything about it.. People don't decide one day "Fuk it, I'm going to be a racist for the sake of it." or "Fuk it, I'm going to be a cunt and become a .pdf file".

    People are born and these opinions are formed from when they're a child. If they know it's wrong to act racist, then who cares what they think. I'm not a fan of the thought police.


  • #78
    amacachi
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    LighterGuy wrote: »
    We are told to be respectful of a persons choice (religion, sexuality, race etc)

    Race is a choice?


    Also who told you to be respectful of a person's choice or viewpoint? There's a massive difference between respecting someone's right to have an opinion and respecting their opinion, a difference which seems to be lost on a lot of people. For example if someone believes in a religion I'm never going to respect that choice, but it's still their choice to make.


  • #79
    hondasam
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    LighterGuy wrote: »
    For the record myself and my friend are not racist or prejudice in any kind. But this thread is born out of what was said today in a random conversation.

    you like every other nationality and race.
    So boards.ie would you respect that persons choice?
    or would you not?

    Yes I would respect a persons choice, I might not like it but it is there opinion.


  • #80
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    grenache wrote: »
    It's totally unacceptable to not like a nationality because of the colour of their skin or how they dress. However, if a person has nothing but negative experiences with a particular ethnic group, then i believe it is wholey acceptable to not like that particular group. I believe it was Martin Luther King who said he wanted to see a day where his children were judged on the content of their character, and not on the colour of their skin. Well i've judged two groups in particular on the "content of their character" and found them not severely wanting in the morality stakes.

    In short, it's ok not to like a group of people, as long you don't actively discriminate against them and there is a genuine reason for disliking them.

    Spot on , if you have a bad experience with a grouo youll activley avoid them , to anyone who says this is racist - would you walk down a laneway with junkies in it ? , you probably havent been attacked by a junkie but know its a bad idea . I persobally have no tollerence for travellers, nigerians , roma gypsies and isrealis, i have justified reasons for this and dont consider myself a racist, Just like avoiding junkies or not walking through certain areas at night , its not racist , just smart


  • #81
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I know loads of ignorant people, I try not to hold it against them, much.


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  • #82
    Freddie59
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I know loads of ignorant people, I try not to hold it against them, much.

    Now don't take this personally: but what if other people think that you (or I) are ignorant? Just because you think you (or I) are right doesn't necessarily make it so. Just a thought.;)


  • #83
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Now don't take this personally: but what if other people think that you (or I) are ignorant? Just because you think you (or I) are right doesn't necessarily make it so. Just a thought.;)


    Everyone has some ignorance, it's impossible to know everything.


  • #84
    twinQuins
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    grenache wrote: »
    It's totally unacceptable to not like a nationality because of the colour of their skin or how they dress. However, if a person has nothing but negative experiences with a particular ethnic group, then i believe it is wholey acceptable to not like that particular group. I believe it was Martin Luther King who said he wanted to see a day where his children were judged on the content of their character, and not on the colour of their skin. Well i've judged two groups in particular on the "content of their character" and found them not severely wanting in the morality stakes.

    But you're not judging them on the content of their character; you've taken a few from the group and projected their failings onto the rest of the group.

    It's rather amusing to see you quote King, and claim you agree with him, when in fact you're actually doing what he was arguing against: you've effectively decided that everyone of a particular skin colour behaves the exact same as the ones you've met, ergo you're not judging them on the content of their character but applying a lazy generalisation.


  • #85
    Dudess
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    BickNarry wrote: »
    Arguments like this are truly harmful. They reinforce negative behaviour as if it's human nature. (People who make these claims usually don't actually know what human nature invloves.)
    Yeah, some people have even said here in relation to anti Irish feeling after IRA bombs that it's human nature. Fuk that - it ain't my nature. 9/11 didn't cause me to hate all muslims for merely being muslim.
    And it's sickening that people would try to justify it. Ok, it's logical that there'd be anti Irish feeling in the aftermath of an IRA bomb, but from bigots and stupid people, not reasonable ones.


  • #86
    RWCNT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Typical thing for a Dub to say... :rolleyes:

    Hahaha, nicely done.


  • #87
    grenache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    twinQuins wrote: »
    But you're not judging them on the content of their character; you've taken a few from the group and projected their failings onto the rest of the group.

    It's rather amusing to see you quote King, and claim you agree with him, when in fact you're actually doing what he was arguing against: you've effectively decided that everyone of a particular skin colour behaves the exact same as the ones you've met, ergo you're not judging them on the content of their character but applying a lazy generalisation.
    Yes, and this is just the few that I have met!
    I have had several bad experiences (numerous more negative than positive) with travellers and roma gypsies. I'm sure you could ask most Irish people what their experiences are with these two groups and they will tell you the same. My disliking for them is not based on lazy generalisations. Its a result of years of coming into direct contact with them and having received nothing but grief from both groups. Being wronged by a few people is coincidental, being wronged by many is not. Black is black in this case i'm afraid.

    And in any case you forget that generalisations are not always incorrect. Many people regard Ireland as a nation of heavy drinkers. That's not to say that all Irish people are. But it is fair to say that the majority drink more than would be recommended. You can apply this theory to any group of people.


  • #88
    southsiderosie
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    digme wrote: »
    Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin colour

    It takes remarkably little for children to develop in-group preferences. Vittrup's mentor at the University of Texas, Rebecca Bigler, ran an experiment in three preschool classrooms, where 4- and 5-year-olds were lined up and given T shirts. Half the kids were randomly given blue T shirts, half red. The children wore the shirts for three weeks. During that time, the teachers never mentioned their colors and never grouped the kids by shirt color.


    The kids didn't segregate in their behavior. They played with each other freely at recess. But when asked which color team was better to belong to, or which team might win a race, they chose their own color. They believed they were smarter than the other color. "The Reds never showed hatred for Blues," Bigler observed. "It was more like, 'Blues are fine, but not as good as us.' " When Reds were asked how many Reds were nice, they'd answer, "All of us." Asked how many Blues were nice, they'd answer, "Some." Some of the Blues were mean, and some were dumb—but not the Reds.

    This is all built into us at birth and deep down we all think this way,your just too much of a pussy to say otherwise.

    I find it interesting that you only quotes the parts of the original article that support the point you are trying to make. The reality of that strain of research is far more complex and subtle, and the article in full made that abundantly clear (it's a very interesting article if you take the time to read it). To paraphrase: kids naturally categorize things that are different, whether gender, race, whatever. Parents today actively teach their kids about gender equality, but somehow think that belief in racial equality will happen by osmosis; subsequently without intervention, kids will 'sort' and later rank their peers by racial differences. So essentially what is a natural tendency can be reinforced or redressed by social interaction and learning.

    There are a lot of things that are built into us at birth. Parents have to teach their children to share, and to say please and thank you - most small children aren't born as generous or polite human beings. Ultimately social norms and conventions exist largely in part to curb some of our natural instincts and excesses. To say something is 'natural' should not then be used as a justification for it; 'natural' and 'socially acceptable' are two distinct (if occasionally overlapping) issues.


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