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Racism and prejudice - Should people respect a persons choice?

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  • #32
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    I find more and more alot of "racism" depends on gender.
    For example, a racist white guy will have no problem having sex with a sexy black girl.

    Especially if its the chinese he doesnt like.


  • #33
    Mickeroo
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    Interesting question. I guess if someone really dislikes a particular race but doesn't act on it in any way then thats their business and no-one elses. The thing is though if a prejudice is really strong then it would be hard for it not to manifest itself in that person's behavour somehow, also I think there's a clear difference between outright racism(hatred) towards a particular group and a prejudice. Everyone has prejudice's of some sort but not everyone is a racist.


  • #34
    orourkeda
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    It does teach us that in different ways. But it can also teach us to change those prejudices, through experiences that make us change our minds. Our views of certain groups can change for better or worse.
    Prejudice can be fluid, and probably most people do have some form of it, but I'd imagine there were at least a few people out there who would have told you they hated the Brits 20 years ago who were happy to see Liz visit today.

    People change. Opinions and viewpoints change with time. This is true. Real hatred never dies though.


  • #35
    citizen_p
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    Racism and prejudice - Should people respect a persons choice?

    you don't choose your Race.....

    definition:
    Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.


  • #36
    Bruthal
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    Mousey- wrote: »
    you don't choose your Race.....

    I think the poster meant should you respect their choice to be racist, not what race they are.


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  • #37
    LighterGuy
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    Mousey- wrote: »
    you don't choose your Race.....

    definition:
    Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.


    urgh, i knew someone would say that :rolleyes:
    First there were spelling nazis, then grammer nazis, now definition nazis. :rolleyes:
    You know what it meant. Please, this is just as bad as saying "the correct phrase is 'you're' not 'your' in this sentence" :rolleyes:


  • #38
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    urgh, i knew someone would say that :rolleyes:
    First there were spelling nazis, then grammer nazis, now definition nazis. :rolleyes:
    You know what it meant. Please, this is just as bad as saying "the correct phrase is 'you're' not 'your' in this sentence" :rolleyes:

    I'm prejudiced against grammar and spelling nazis :)


  • #39
    conscious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭conscious


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    For the record myself and my friend are not racist or prejudice in any kind. But this thread is born out of what was said today in a random conversation.

    Something interesting popped up. We are told to be respectful of a persons choice (religion, sexuality, race etc) ... so what if it happens that a person was a racist? .. that their personal choice is that they dont like certain people, for what ever reason.

    Now, this where the discussion gets interesting. Lets use race. What if someone doesnt like chinese people (or whatever) but isnt openly agressive about it? (remarks, comments etc) that its his/her choice and keeps it to themselves. So they are not harming anyone.

    So boards.ie would you respect that persons choice?
    or would you not?

    Definitely, you are entitled to be racist as long as you don't harm others be doing so! Best option is to steer clear of the people you don't like!


  • #40
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin colour

    It takes remarkably little for children to develop in-group preferences. Vittrup's mentor at the University of Texas, Rebecca Bigler, ran an experiment in three preschool classrooms, where 4- and 5-year-olds were lined up and given T shirts. Half the kids were randomly given blue T shirts, half red. The children wore the shirts for three weeks. During that time, the teachers never mentioned their colors and never grouped the kids by shirt color.


    The kids didn't segregate in their behavior. They played with each other freely at recess. But when asked which color team was better to belong to, or which team might win a race, they chose their own color. They believed they were smarter than the other color. "The Reds never showed hatred for Blues," Bigler observed. "It was more like, 'Blues are fine, but not as good as us.' " When Reds were asked how many Reds were nice, they'd answer, "All of us." Asked how many Blues were nice, they'd answer, "Some." Some of the Blues were mean, and some were dumb—but not the Reds.

    This is all built into us at birth and deep down we all think this way,your just too much of a pussy to say otherwise.


  • #41
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Reading the original post again a thought occurred. While I've no problem with people's private opinions, how would I know what they were unless they communicated them to me?
    Therefore if someone I knew indicated they were racist, even casually racist, it'd probably bug me about them and I'd think of them differently.
    So in that case, I'd probably tell them to cop on.


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  • #42
    The King of Moo
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    digme wrote: »
    Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin colour

    It takes remarkably little for children to develop in-group preferences. Vittrup's mentor at the University of Texas, Rebecca Bigler, ran an experiment in three preschool classrooms, where 4- and 5-year-olds were lined up and given T shirts. Half the kids were randomly given blue T shirts, half red. The children wore the shirts for three weeks. During that time, the teachers never mentioned their colors and never grouped the kids by shirt color.


    The kids didn't segregate in their behavior. They played with each other freely at recess. But when asked which color team was better to belong to, or which team might win a race, they chose their own color. They believed they were smarter than the other color. "The Reds never showed hatred for Blues," Bigler observed. "It was more like, 'Blues are fine, but not as good as us.' " When Reds were asked how many Reds were nice, they'd answer, "All of us." Asked how many Blues were nice, they'd answer, "Some." Some of the Blues were mean, and some were dumb—but not the Reds.

    So that's why Liverpool and Everton fans hate each other!


  • #43
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Everybody is racist and\or prejudiced.

    I refuse to believe anyone who suggests that they do not hold any grudges, disdain, hatred, disrespect, comtempt or any other negative feeling towards at least one discernible group of people.

    All we need to do is scratch the surface to identify another persons prejudices

    Arguments like this are truly harmful. They reinforce negative behaviour as if it's human nature. (People who make these claims usually don't actually know what human nature invloves.)

    First of all, it all depends on how you define racism and whats constitutes as racist behaviour.

    Second of all is interpretation. Distinguishing physical features can mask cultural differences, or geographical reasons can influence decisions (familiarity).

    'grudges, disdain, hatred, disrespect, comtempt' are all different thigs and only combined and focused invlove actual racism. Someone could just be a dick.

    The question was should be we be respectful of racist attitudes.

    I think under absolutely no circumstances should we tolerate any form of racist attitudes. An easy way to think of is that as a society we aim to reinforce positive behaviour and discourage negative behaviour. I don't think anyone can argue that racism is positive. Also, there is no scientific credible evidence for a racist claims that some races are inferior. Even those studys that racists cite, such as lower I.Q in certain tribes, have been explained as much more complex. (evolutionary due to repetitative lifestyles and geogrpahical isolation.)

    Then there are moral considerations, which I don't feel warrants a discussion.


  • #44
    Bruthal
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    I dont like the reds either.


  • #45
    Bruthal
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    digme wrote: »
    Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin colour

    It takes remarkably little for children to develop in-group preferences. Vittrup's mentor at the University of Texas, Rebecca Bigler, ran an experiment in three preschool classrooms, where 4- and 5-year-olds were lined up and given T shirts. Half the kids were randomly given blue T shirts, half red. The children wore the shirts for three weeks. During that time, the teachers never mentioned their colors and never grouped the kids by shirt color.


    The kids didn't segregate in their behavior. They played with each other freely at recess. But when asked which color team was better to belong to, or which team might win a race, they chose their own color. They believed they were smarter than the other color. "The Reds never showed hatred for Blues," Bigler observed. "It was more like, 'Blues are fine, but not as good as us.' " When Reds were asked how many Reds were nice, they'd answer, "All of us." Asked how many Blues were nice, they'd answer, "Some." Some of the Blues were mean, and some were dumb—but not the Reds.

    This is all built into us at birth and deep down we all think this way,your just too much of a pussy to say otherwise.

    Well many of us learn that its not required to be like that, but not everyone.


  • #46
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Reading the original post again a thought occurred. While I've no problem with people's private opinions, how would I know what they were unless they communicated them to me?
    Therefore if someone I knew indicated they were racist, even casually racist, it'd probably bug me about them and I'd think of them differently.
    So in that case, I'd probably tell them to cop on.

    But if someone holds those views why keep them a secret? Personally, I've long since given up lying to keep up some airy fairy PC facade. The risk of offending someone else with my opinions on other people wouldn't bother me particularly. I dont see the point in lying about these things. Having said that I wouldn't go around broadcasting them necessarily, but if it came up I cant see the point in lying.

    Chips on ones shoulder are nothing to be proud or ashamed of. They're simply a part of who you are.


  • #47
    digme
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    BickNarry wrote: »
    Also, there is no scientific credible evidence for a racist claims that some races are inferior. Even those studys that racists cite, such as lower I.Q in certain tribes, have been explained as much more complex. (evolutionary due to repetitative lifestyles and geogrpahical isolation.)

    Then there are moral considerations, which I don't feel warrants a discussion.
    You assume there isn't any science.And if there is, you call the scientist a racist,but science isn't racist.So where does that leave you?


  • #48
    digme
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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Well many of us learn that its not required to be like that, but not everyone.
    liar


  • #49
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    orourkeda wrote: »
    But if someone holds those views why keep them a secret? Personally, I've long since given up lying to keep up some airy fairy PC facade. The risk of offending someone else with my opinions on other people wouldn't bother me particularly. I dont see the point in lying about these things. Having said that I wouldn't go around broadcasting them necessarily, but if it came up I cant see the point in lying.

    Chips on ones shoulder are nothing to be proud or ashamed of. They're simply a part of who you are.

    Some views people have are best being kept secret.


  • #50
    orourkeda
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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Some views people have are best being kept secret.

    Only because the person hearing them doesn't like them.

    It doesn't matter what the person hearing them thinks though does it.


  • #51
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    digme wrote: »
    liar

    I hate everyone, is that racist?


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  • #52
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    digme wrote: »
    You assume there isn't any science.And if there is, you call the scientist a racist,but science isn't racist.So where does that leave you?

    No, you're the one that's making assumptions.

    When did I call a scientist a racist, just like you said?

    It leaves me in the same place as always- without any proof that one race is inferior to another. Common arguments, such as higher rates of crimes commited by African Americans, have been disproved by sociological study.


  • #53
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Only because the person hearing them doesn't like them.

    It doesn't matter what the person hearing them thinks though does it.

    It depends who they are telling.


  • #54
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    I hate everyone, is that racist?
    no you don't.


  • #55
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    digme wrote: »
    no you don't.

    Yes your right there, its like you know me,, almost


  • #56
    orourkeda
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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    It depends who they are telling.

    Why deny it? A person who refuses to admit their prejudices is a hypocrite.


  • #57
    BickNarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    digme wrote: »
    This is all built into us at birth and deep down we all think this way,your just too much of a pussy to say otherwise.

    Yeah, that's not what Bigler was proving at all.She was concerned with cognitive and environmental factors that contribute to the formation of intergroup attitudes, consequences of social stereotyping and prejudice for children’s cognitions and behavior and the mechanisms of social attitude change.

    Nothing is 'built' into us at birth. 'Deep down' we don't think anyway. Stop making thins up. I think you don't know what you're talking about.


  • #58
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Why deny it? A person who refuses to admit their prejudices is a hypocrite.

    They are not refusing to admit it by keeping it quiet, only if they deny it if they happen to be asked.


  • #59
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    orourkeda wrote: »
    But if someone holds those views why keep them a secret? Personally, I've long since given up lying to keep up some airy fairy PC facade. The risk of offending someone else with my opinions on other people wouldn't bother me particularly. I dont see the point in lying about these things. Having said that I wouldn't go around broadcasting them necessarily, but if it came up I cant see the point in lying.

    Chips on ones shoulder are nothing to be proud or ashamed of. They're simply a part of who you are.

    I agree that it's good to be as honest as possible as often as possible, even if it sometimes means telling people something they don't want to hear.
    But society functions by people interacting with each other, and sometimes we need to keep some things inside in order to maintain that cohesion.
    It might be a little dishonest but it's just the way of the world.
    A society where every prejudice was given full vent by everyone wouldn't last long, in my opinion.


  • #60
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    BickNarry wrote: »
    No, you're the one that's making assumptions.

    When did I call a scientist a racist, just like you said?

    It leaves me in the same place as always- without any proof that one race is inferior to another. Common arguments, such as higher rates of crimes commited by African Americans, have been disproved by sociological study.
    If i post science, i will be banned.


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  • #61
    digme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭digme


    BickNarry wrote: »
    Yeah, that's not what Bigler was proving at all.She was concerned with cognitive and environmental factors that contribute to the formation of intergroup attitudes, consequences of social stereotyping and prejudice for children’s cognitions and behavior and the mechanisms of social attitude change.

    Nothing is 'built' into us at birth. 'Deep down' we don't think anyway. Stop making thins up. I think you don't know what you're talking about.
    She was speaking about favouritism,which as the media would have you beleive is racism nowadays.What do you mean we don't think?Are you referring to your schooling perhaps?


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