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N17 & M18 - Galway to Tuam and rest of Atlantic corridor back on agenda

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  • #102
    Padge.leeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Padge.leeds


    I would see the issue here being simply that the young girls underestimated the corner and took it too fast. In Ireland this is VERY easy to do.
    The speed that you take a corner at is completely up to you to determine with your experience and judgment
    The girls were only 18/ 19 so the driver was max 2 years driving.
    How should they know this was a 50kmh corner? Or a 40kmh in the wet. HOW?

    I'd compare this to Germany.
    Before any corner on a main road, there is a speed limit specified limit which is appropriate for the bend. So if its 80kmh its a curve, if its 40kmh or less its a bloody bad bend and you'd want to hit the brakes ASAP or you'll be off the road.

    I would suggest that Ireland, rather than putting dozens of signs saying "Caution!" or "Bend Ahead!" or "Slow!", they could skip to the chase and simply put an appropriate limit on the section of the road.

    How slow is slow? How cautious is cautious? How dangerous is dangerous?
    Slap a limit sign with a number on it and you quantify the danger and hopefully save lives.

    Dude your talking about domthing you have no clue about your looking at a picture and telling us all how this need be averted in the future. How dare you interject an opinion on who was on what side of the road. You idiot.
    And would people really heed speed signs i dont think so the bend is to blame the bad.. no atrocious weather and maybe other factors we will never know i lost my cousin that night and a lot of other people will feel the loss of them girls for a very long time. Your not the solution to the problem no one here is how dare anyone give an opinion on the situation is unreal


  • #103
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Padge.leeds wrote: »
    Dude your talking about domthing you have no clue about your looking at a picture and telling us all how this need be averted in the future. How dare you interject an opinion on who was on what side of the road. You idiot.
    And would people really heed speed signs i dont think so the bend is to blame the bad.. no atrocious weather and maybe other factors we will never know i lost my cousin that night and a lot of other people will feel the loss of them girls for a very long time. Your not the solution to the problem no one here is how dare anyone give an opinion on the situation is unreal
    Sorry for your loss, but everyone here is entitled to give an opinion so long as it conforms to the rules of this board, including you.

    You criticise him for giving an opinion about the cause of the accident, yet give one yourself in the same post. My grandfather was knocked down and killed by a driver outside mass, the cause of the accident is not even agreed upon by our own family! Some blame the driver, some don't. Everyone can comment.


  • #104
    kiwipower
    Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭kiwipower


    Hi, Just wondering does anyone know what the situation is with the N18 Gort to Oranmore? Is there plans in future to make this a motorway?
    Appologies if this has been covered previously. i have had a quick scan of the post but cant seem to find a reference to this.


  • #105
    123easy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭123easy


    Yes its called the M17 M18 Gort to Tuam PPP Scheme - a motorway from Gort to tuam intersecting the M6 at approx. Location near Athenry. There getting close to awarding the contract i.e. couple of months from now


  • #106
    Voodoo_rasher
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    what does this mean exactly?

    Can this have implications for the furthering of the Atlantic Corridor northwards.

    Supposing that the remainder is deemed a luxury project to be scrapped or commuted to a smaller scale when Capital Projects are reviewed next September..

    A dual-carriageway in vicinity of low population centers in south Sligo is ridiculous and grandiose, imho.


  • #107
    antoobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    Tuam Bypass as a 'stand alone' project..

    what does this mean exactly?

    The project is split by Galway County Council into 3 sections:
    Gort to Athenry - N18 (not to be m/way according to the site)
    Athenry to Tuam - M17
    Tuam Bypass - N17
    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    Can this have implications for the furthering of the Atlantic Corridor northwards.

    Not really, it's part of the overall plan for the Atlantic Corridor. There's no point in NOT building this road - it'd be a bit like having the N4 without kinnnegad, N6 without moate, athlone or ballinasloe etc bypassed.

    What it might do is take the pressure off deliver of the whole project until the public finances improve to the point where we can borrow money to pay for it.
    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    Supposing that the remainder is deemed a luxury project to be scrapped or commuted to a smaller scale when Capital Projects are reviewed next September..

    Not likely given:
    1) Claregalway has an AADT of twice the design capacity of single lane road
    2) the NRA has used this project as a justification for the lack of progress on a CG bypass
    3) The N18 into Galway is important for access to the southwest for everything north of Galway city.
    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    A dual-carriageway in vicinity of low population centers in south Sligo is ridiculous and grandiose, imho.

    It's unfortunate that there's no traffic data for Sligo, but from a future development p.o.v why is providing infrastructure to such areas such a bad thing? Hell it might even help reduce costs and return us to something resembling competitive.

    It might even help tourism in the area, because a lot of people decide not to go places if it takes ages on bad roads to get there. It'll also make the scenic routes less stressful and more enjoyable


  • #108
    Voodoo_rasher
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Voodoo_rasher


    antoobrien wrote: »
    It's unfortunate that there's no traffic data for Sligo, but from a future development p.o.v why is providing infrastructure to such areas such a bad thing? Hell it might even help reduce costs and return us to something resembling competitive.

    It might even help tourism in the area, because a lot of people decide not to go places if it takes ages on bad roads to get there. It'll also make the scenic routes less stressful and more enjoyable

    )). much of what lies south of Sligo town is of very little tourism merit or curiousity. Its where Yeats County abruptly ends and becomes the back of beyond. Aside from bypasses (Tubber already has a ring-road decades old and thats likely to be jettisoned cos new estates are already in the way; ignored so more waste), there is little need for something extravagant as a DC throughout that section to Charlestn (imho).


  • #109
    kiwipower
    Registered Users Posts: 802 ✭✭✭kiwipower


    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    )). much of what lies south of Sligo town is of very little tourism merit or curiousity. Its where Yeats County abruptly ends and becomes the back of beyond. Aside from bypasses (Tubber already has a ring-road decades old and thats likely to be jettisoned cos new estates are already in the way; ignored so more waste), there is little need for something extravagant as a DC throughout that section to Charlestn (imho).

    Tourist Attractions - KNOCK ???

    Plus airport

    Plus poor quality N4 in many parts from Sligo to East of Mullingar.

    Only access route from Cork/Limerick/Galway to Sligo/Donegal (and probobably areas of NI) is via these roadways.


  • #110
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    kiwipower wrote: »
    Tourist Attractions - KNOCK ???

    Plus airport

    Plus poor quality N4 in many parts from Sligo to East of Mullingar.

    Only access route from Cork/Limerick/Galway to Sligo/Donegal (and probobably areas of NI) is via these roadways.

    Add Kerry, Waterford, South Tipp, and Clare to that list


  • #111
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    There are rumours that Leo/DOT have told Galway CoCo that the M17/M18 project will not go ahead with state funds but as a placatory measure the CoCo have been 'invited to make a case' for the Tuam Bypass bit of the former PPP project together with the single carriageway Claregalway Bypass. Naturally this means officially dropping other projects such as the R336 and Moycullen Bypass or Leo won't talk to them.

    I did hear that they could keep 3 projects alive...for now...if they name the three projects.

    Making a case means feck all in Claregalway, they will not have an EIS/CPO ready before 2012 anyway and cannot really go to construction any earlier than 2013.


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  • #112
    FGR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭FGR


    So is it basically the case that each Co Co in the Atlantic Corridor project will be given a choice of a select few improvements that were originally going ahead in T21?


  • #113
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Every coco everywhere I should think. We are currently paying various consultants and NRA staff a fortune to scratch away at designs that will not be built.


  • #114
    runway16
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭runway16


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    There are rumours that Leo/DOT have told Galway CoCo that the M17/M18 project will not go ahead with state funds but as a placatory measure the CoCo have been 'invited to make a case' for the Tuam Bypass bit of the former PPP project together with the single carriageway Claregalway Bypass. Naturally this means officially dropping other projects such as the R336 and Moycullen Bypass or Leo won't talk to them.

    I did hear that they could keep 3 projects alive...for now...if they name the three projects.

    Making a case means feck all in Claregalway, they will not have an EIS/CPO ready before 2012 anyway and cannot really go to construction any earlier than 2013.

    Am I to assume that "not going ahead with state funds" means that Gort-Tuam will be hard tolled and built entirely with private money?


  • #115
    glineli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭glineli


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    There are rumours that Leo/DOT have told Galway CoCo that the M17/M18 project will not go ahead with state funds but as a placatory measure the CoCo have been 'invited to make a case' for the Tuam Bypass bit of the former PPP project together with the single carriageway Claregalway Bypass. Naturally this means officially dropping other projects such as the R336 and Moycullen Bypass or Leo won't talk to them.

    I did hear that they could keep 3 projects alive...for now...if they name the three projects.

    Making a case means feck all in Claregalway, they will not have an EIS/CPO ready before 2012 anyway and cannot really go to construction any earlier than 2013.

    Was gort to tuam going to be funded by the dot? I thought it was European money and then private investment with it being tolled to repay that investment?


  • #116
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Was going to be shadow tolled.


  • #117
    glineli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭glineli


    MYOB wrote: »
    Was going to be shadow tolled.

    Yes, but no initial money was to be put up by the dot, so this could still go ahead?


  • #118
    runway16
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭runway16


    glineli wrote: »
    Yes, but no initial money was to be put up by the dot, so this could still go ahead?

    As far as I understand, there is no interest among concessionaires for shadow tolled schemes now, as it effectively lending to the state.

    They could proceed by tolling the route, where the concessionaire is guaranteed a return.

    It is likely that anything that goes ahead motorway wise (such as Cork-Limerick, Gort - Tuam) will now have to be tolled, or abandoned.

    I'd take the tolling option to be honest. The country simply needs these two schemes.


  • #119
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I don't think hard-tolling would make enough money. Remember that one of the main toll operators in the country has already seen what tolling a bypass of a small regional city gets you (no traffic).


  • #120
    glineli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭glineli


    So basically there is no chance to Gort to Tuam going ahead as shadow tolling wont happen, the dot dont have money to put into the scheme and hard tolling wont pay back fast enough.


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  • #121
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Here's a map of the Tuam Bypass. As you can see it starts and ends at roundabouts on the current N17 (before and after Tuam). So It could be built as a standalone project. However if they are going to can Gort-Tuam they at least need to build the Claregalway bypass at the same time they do Tuam.

    http://www.galway.ie/en/media/Overall%20Scheme.pdf


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