Dalai Lama in Ireland

Wibbs · 15-04-2011 12:42AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Ohhhhhh!

I love you. No really. You see, even naysaying cynics can feel love... *sniff, brushes away manly tear*

WindSock · 15-04-2011 12:56AM

Can't compare lama to pope visit. Buddhism hasn't had a massive negative influence on this society.

Wibbs · 15-04-2011 01:06AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

You know what came to mind reading your crap 'Come mothers and fathers throughout the land and don't criticize what you can't understand' from another great thinker who has affected many lives with simple words and messages.

You're actually quoting Zimmerman? *chortle* :pac::pac: Hey I like a bit of Dylan filtered teenage angst myself at times, but know when the reality runs out. I think you're about 40 years too late and I don't mean when he plugged in his guitar either.

Have you ever read any of his writings... actually.. I don't care Ive already wasted 2 mins of my life reading your pathetic and vitriolic sh*te!

I've read more than you have. Yes I am that sure of that. I understood it too and not just the preetty picthures, full of eastern promise, cos the local promise was sooo disappointing. I feel... so... betrayed... *sniff*

Hey good luck with it, believe in the obvious, indeed ignore what Buddha himself said(and his best work)“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” That's well worth clicking into, though he countered that with childish daftness like He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes.Yea come back to us when you shake off listening to Smiths tracks, ya whiny bourgeois misogynist eejit ya. Buddha the original(if very clever) D4 student who after a feed of drink and excessive black and white thinking reckoned he knows the world, maaaan.

WindSock wrote:

Can't compare lama to pope visit. Buddhism hasn't had a massive negative influence on this society.

I agree WS. On this society. On Tibet(among others) the reclining/lotus position guru's followers have had some interesting influence on theirs. Are magdelene laundries OK if they're halfway up a Himalayan gorge kinda thing? This is a numpty whose angle on prostitution and sexual mores alone are worth a second glance. Plus him making Steven Segal a "living lama" is up there with Scientologists making Tom Cruise a cool dude. The latter are apparently beyond the pale, yet some eejit from Tibet espousing and lloking for our support to return to a religious and feudal society is OK? Eh no. Not for me anyway.

me-skywalker · 15-04-2011 03:04PM

Wibbs wrote: »

You're actually quoting Zimmerman? *chortle* :pac::pac: Hey I like a bit of Dylan filtered teenage angst myself at times, but know when the reality runs out. I think you're about 40 years too late and I don't mean when he plugged in his guitar either.
I've read more than you have. Yes I am that sure of that. I understood it too and not just the preetty picthures, full of eastern promise, cos the local promise was sooo disappointing. I feel... so... betrayed... *sniff*

Hey good luck with it, believe in the obvious, indeed ignore what Buddha himself said(and his best work)“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” That's well worth clicking into, though he countered that with childish daftness like He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes.Yea come back to us when you shake off listening to Smiths tracks, ya whiny bourgeois misogynist eejit ya. Buddha the original(if very clever) D4 student who after a feed of drink and excessive black and white thinking reckoned he knows the world, maaaan.

I agree WS. On this society. On Tibet(among others) the reclining/lotus position guru's followers have had some interesting influence on theirs. Are magdelene laundries OK if they're halfway up a Himalayan gorge kinda thing? This is a numpty whose angle on prostitution and sexual mores alone are worth a second glance. Plus him making Steven Segal a "living lama" is up there with Scientologists making Tom Cruise a cool dude. The latter are apparently beyond the pale, yet some eejit from Tibet espousing and lloking for our support to return to a religious and feudal society is OK? Eh no. Not for me anyway.

Your elaborate yarn, your whimisical whining just looks like a pretentious, lonely, angry keyboard warrior angry with what the world has dealt them. Ready to spout off any nonsense just to thrust negative vibes into the atmosphere. All because you can't accept your own short comings and unable to accept that your own views are not respected and taken en masse. Looking for an outlet to expunge some hatred and vitriol, take up an isntrument, writing, somethign with an ounce of creativity and express your opinions with a definite cause and then come back to me with your dismissive chortles. When I've created more beauty and positivity in this world than you have. Yes I am that sure of that.

RichieC · 15-04-2011 03:11PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Your elaborate yarn, your whimisical whining just looks like a pretentious, lonely, angry keyboard warrior angry with what the world has dealt them. Ready to spout off any nonsense just to thrust negative vibes into the atmosphere. All because you can't accept your own short comings and unable to accept that your own views are not respected and taken en masse. Looking for an outlet to expunge some hatred and vitriol, take up an isntrument, writing, somethign with an ounce of creativity and express your opinions with a definite cause and then come back to me with your dismissive chortles. When I've created more beauty and positivity in this world than you have. Yes I am that sure of that.

this, sir is an extremely pretentious paragraph.

KeithAFC · 15-04-2011 03:41PM

Better than the pope?

me-skywalker · 15-04-2011 05:01PM

RichieC wrote: »

this, sir is an extremely pretentious paragraph.

I realise it can seem that way after re-reading. But I've learned the hard way 'Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the
difference.'

Degsy · 15-04-2011 05:09PM

WindSock wrote: »

Can't compare lama to pope visit. Buddhism hasn't had a massive negative influence on this society.

The strength of your idealism increases in direct proprtion to your distance from the problem.

themadchef · 15-04-2011 06:50PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Your elaborate yarn, your whimisical whining just looks like a pretentious, lonely, angry keyboard warrior angry with what the world has dealt them. Ready to spout off any nonsense just to thrust negative vibes into the atmosphere. All because you can't accept your own short comings and unable to accept that your own views are not respected and taken en masse. Looking for an outlet to expunge some hatred and vitriol, take up an isntrument, writing, somethign with an ounce of creativity and express your opinions with a definite cause and then come back to me with your dismissive chortles. When I've created more beauty and positivity in this world than you have. Yes I am that sure of that.

Huh?

Wibbs, is a guru of sorts, in that many find their knees going in different directions :pac: Now thats the kinda good vibes im talking about! The rest is a load of bollocks. Excuse the pun.

Degsy wrote: »

The strength of your idealism increases in direct proprtion to your distance from the problem.

I know this one, The train was travelling at 20kph.

WindSock · 15-04-2011 07:02PM

Degsy wrote: »

The strength of your idealism increases in direct proprtion to your distance from the problem.

Iscoseles!

What do you mean by that in relation to my post?

Bodhidharma · 15-04-2011 07:24PM

The ignorance displayed in this thread has surprised even a hardy reader of After Hours such as myself.

People really should know something of a subject before they talk about it, particularly with the level of vitriol some posters seem to have.

Sky Wizards, Steven Seagal and hating the Dalai Lama. Come off it.

nacho libre · 15-04-2011 07:49PM

I wonder is The Dalai Lama really free of a shadow aspect?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-04-2011 07:52PM

take everything wrote: »

Almost sure Buddhism doesn't do Sky Wizards.
That said, it's all essentially just faddism.

That's a shiutload of faddism - it's older than Christianity.

That said, you guys do realise that Buddhism is technically not a religion, it's a philosophy? There is no God to worship (unless you count the inner self, but that's completely different to what how most religions would define it).

Soul Stretcher · 15-04-2011 07:54PM

Dalai Lama = focus on weakening the Ego and non-interest in money.

Typical AH Boardsies = almost entirely Ego and obsessed with money and/or the lack thereof.

I can see where the negative vibes are coming from.

opinion guy · 16-04-2011 10:11AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep, self centred ones to boot.

Lol. You do realise you are agreeing with the pope with this statement?

***Wibbs's head explodes***

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

That's a shiutload of faddism - it's older than Christianity.

That said, you guys do realise that Buddhism is technically not a religion, it's a philosophy? There is no God to worship (unless you count the inner self, but that's completely different to what how most religions would define it).

This does not negate that its a load of bollocks. (hmmm I'm going to qualify this somewhat - the Western interptretation is a load of bollocks - I don't really believe people n the East live/interpret it the way western converts do. I suspect the Eastern approach to Buddhism is kinda similar to the modern day Irish approach to Catholicim.......lackadaisical)

philstar · 16-04-2011 10:24AM

this is my spiritual leader.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Dcl2aUzsc

Wibbs · 16-04-2011 11:57AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

Your elaborate yarn, your whimisical whining just looks like a pretentious, lonely, angry keyboard warrior angry with what the world has dealt them. Ready to spout off any nonsense just to thrust negative vibes into the atmosphere. All because you can't accept your own short comings and unable to accept that your own views are not respected and taken en masse. Looking for an outlet to expunge some hatred and vitriol, take up an isntrument, writing, somethign with an ounce of creativity and express your opinions with a definite cause and then come back to me with your dismissive chortles. When I've created more beauty and positivity in this world than you have. Yes I am that sure of that.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM

I realise it can seem that way after re-reading. But I've learned the hard way 'Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the
difference.'

Naw I reckon we're pretty safe from confusion.

Bodhidharma wrote: »

The ignorance displayed in this thread has surprised even a hardy reader of After Hours such as myself.

So you missed the threads and general response around here to Islam and Christianity then? Or is it just the ignorance of your spiritual hobby horse you're surprised about? I suspect so as I don't recall you jumping in to defend the others.

Sky Wizards, Steven Seagal and hating the Dalai Lama. Come off it.

Does the Dalai Lama believe in reincarnation, indeed reckons he's the reincarnation of previous Lamas? And is this not magical thinking up there with angels with harps on clouds? Did he not claim steven seagal was a lama of high importance? As for hate, nope I couldn't be arsed hating anyone or anything. Too much effort.

Soul Stretcher wrote: »

Dalai Lama = focus on weakening the Ego and non-interest in money.

Really? This is the same yahoo that wants a return to traditional Tibet which was a land of serfs in servitude to the priestly caste of which he would be the leader? It was a bit away from Shangri la there Ted. The same yahoo who was happy to take millions from the CIA and a mad Japanese cult? The same yahoo who believes in the "misconduct"(sin by any other name) of masturbation, oral and anal sex, but paying a whore to tug you off isn't? Allllllrighty then.

You see I don't actually have any great beef with the guy. Nor most religious leaders with the exception of the odd batshít Muslim Imam or Far right Christian calling for death to infidels. Indeed of the various faiths Buddhism would appeal the most. What I do have a beef with is lazy boringly common blinkered thinking. Hypocrisy at the extreme end. Where one guy in a cassock is berated and another is OK mostly because of the love affair with the east since the 60's. It's like Hare Krishna with better PR.

Wibbs · 16-04-2011 12:09PM

themadchef wrote: »

I know this one, The train was travelling at 20kph.

:pac:

opinion guy · 16-04-2011 12:11PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Buddhism would appeal the most.

Nah dude check out even older religions. Daoism is interesting. The further back in time you go the less layers of mystical crap is piled on top. The primordial religions are far more interesting than the modern fantastical ones. Tribal spiritulism is interesting too. At its base most of this stuff takes its roots from respect for nature and the relationship between early man and his environment.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-04-2011 11:37PM

opinion guy wrote: »

This does not negate that its a load of bollocks. (hmmm I'm going to qualify this somewhat - the Western interptretation is a load of bollocks - I don't really believe people n the East live/interpret it the way western converts do. I suspect the Eastern approach to Buddhism is kinda similar to the modern day Irish approach to Catholicim.......lackadaisical)

... except Buddhist monks are not criticsed for raping children, right?

As for the cough, fact, cough you mentioned in your opening statement that you then offer to qualify but completely fail to qualify; is there any chance of an actual qualification on that that implies you even know what Buddhism is, as opposed to what perceived reputation you think it may have?

opinion guy · 16-04-2011 11:59PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

... except Buddhist monks are not criticsed for raping children, right?

What in Gods name are you talking about ?

As for the cough, fact, cough you mentioned in your opening statement that you then offer to qualify but completely fail to qualify; is there any chance of an actual qualification on that that implies you even know what Buddhism is, as opposed to what perceived reputation you think it may have?

Its the internet I can make up whatever qualification you would like me too. What would you like ?
But having read a bit on the subject I learned enough to realise the western buddhists I've been friend with simply didn't get it. I mean they thought they did, but really they didn't. In fact I would go so far to say that they took 'all pain is an illusion of the mind' as a get out from actually dealing with their problems which continued to affect them on a daily basis whilst they told themselves it was just their mind playing tricks on them and they continued to ignore addressable issues. It was the lazy option to be frank.

Wibbs · 17-04-2011 12:01AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

... except Buddhist monks are not criticsed for raping children, right?

Actually some are http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2002/05/01/Feature-Buddhisms-pedophile-monks/UPI-81841020273948/

As for the cough, fact, cough you mentioned in your opening statement that you then offer to qualify but completely fail to qualify; is there any chance of an actual qualification on that that implies you even know what Buddhism is, as opposed to what perceived reputation you think it may have?

Ahh truthspeak. Rather than question his/her statements, counter it in knowledge or logic. Otherwise what authority have you?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-04-2011 08:50AM

opinion guy wrote: »

What in Gods name are you talking about ?

Its the internet I can make up whatever qualification you would like me too. What would you like ?
But having read a bit on the subject I learned enough to realise the western buddhists I've been friend with simply didn't get it. I mean they thought they did, but really they didn't. In fact I would go so far to say that they took 'all pain is an illusion of the mind' as a get out from actually dealing with their problems which continued to affect them on a daily basis whilst they told themselves it was just their mind playing tricks on them and they continued to ignore addressable issues. It was the lazy option to be frank.

Definitely. But just because some people you know didn't get it doesn't mean it's a load of bollocks.

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually some are http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2002/05/01/Feature-Buddhisms-pedophile-monks/UPI-81841020273948/

Ahh truthspeak. Rather than question his/her statements, counter it in knowledge or logic. Otherwise what authority have you?

Countering with logic and knowledge is bad now...? Or are you being sarcastic.

Anyway, he still hasn't given me good reason as to why he thinks it's bollocks. I'm not saying I know a lot about it, but to dismiss it as "bollocks" sounds a bit immature and ignorant. I'm not saying he is, but I have nothing else to base an opinion on.

opinion guy · 17-04-2011 09:31AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Definitely. But just because some people you know didn't get it doesn't mean it's a load of bollocks.

Countering with logic and knowledge is bad now...? Or are you being sarcastic.

Anyway, he still hasn't given me good reason as to why he thinks it's bollocks. I'm not saying I know a lot about it, but to dismiss it as "bollocks" sounds a bit immature and ignorant. I'm not saying he is, but I have nothing else to base an opinion on.

Well do YOU know about it ? Have you read up on it ? Mostly the bollocks part is not so much to do with everyday life but its to do with the afterlife reincarnation stuff. Totally made up fantasy bollocks about bardo states etc etc. I really don't think it merits much analysis beyond that - much in the the way The Lord of the Rings doesn't merit much analysis from historians as to where Middle Earth might have been.

Edit: There is also a massive intellectual dichotomy at the centre of Buddhism. On the one hand their is a 'goal' of achieving enlightment. Now they will deny that and say its not a goal.....but its pretty much what the entire belief system is about. On the other hand there is the teaching the pain, desire, emotion is all just an illusion of the mind. My problem with that it places all human concerns, sufferings, needs, desires as unimportant and paints enlightment as the only thing with value. Which to me, is a rather despicable piece of double think that denies the trials and tribulations of peoples everyday lives as unimportant.

Bodhidharma · 17-04-2011 09:38AM

Wibbs wrote: »

So you missed the threads and general response around here to Islam and Christianity then? Or is it just the ignorance of your spiritual hobby horse you're surprised about? I suspect so as I don't recall you jumping in to defend the others.

Does the Dalai Lama believe in reincarnation, indeed reckons he's the reincarnation of previous Lamas? And is this not magical thinking up there with angels with harps on clouds? Did he not claim steven seagal was a lama of high importance? As for hate, nope I couldn't be arsed hating anyone or anything. Too much effort.

I'm sorry, you've proved me wrong. Your vast knowledge of Buddhism, or should I say Wikipedia, has converted me.

Firstly, I dont get involved in debates about Christianity or Islam because I dont feel I know enough about either subject for a proper debate. Secondly, my spiritual hobby horse? Yes, clearly you know me, this week its Buddhism and the next it might be voodoo.

On the Dalai Lama, he is not the Pope of Buddhism. He does not control it or pass rules about it, nor does he speak for the majority. He is the spiritual/politicial leader of a relatively small sect of Buddhism. His opinions on sex and reincarnation are just that, opinions.

As has already been mentioned, Buddhism is a philosophy to many, if people choose to view it as a religion that is their choice. I have read The Dhammapada and I find its teachings useful.

Let me ask you, would you have had the same problem if Jean-Paul Sartre had visited the country?

stovelid · 17-04-2011 09:49AM

Glad I read this thread.

I live beside CityWest Hotel and I was wondering about the origin of the warm swell of sanctimony that briefly buffeted me as I left the house the other day.

Wibbs · 17-04-2011 10:50AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Definitely. But just because some people you know didn't get it doesn't mean it's a load of bollocks.

Oh I agree. The bollocks part would be opinion. In my opinion while Buddhist thought tends to be more sophisticated than other faiths/belief systems, it is just another belief system with attendant magical thinking. AKA "bollocks" for many.

My angle on this faith in particular is that it gets much more a free ride than other belief systems in the west. Mosty IMHO because of the whole mysterious east vibe.

opinion guy · 17-04-2011 11:00AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh I agree. The bollocks part would be opinion. In my opinion while Buddhist thought tends to be more sophisticated than other faiths/belief systems, it is just another belief system with attendant magical thinking. AKA "bollocks" for many.

My angle on this faith in particular is that it gets much more a free ride than other belief systems in the west. Mosty IMHO because of the whole mysterious east vibe.

Well wibbsey its like all the rest of the belief systems ....its those who just believe too hard who ruin it for everyone

Wibbs · 17-04-2011 11:01AM

Bodhidharma wrote: »

Firstly, I dont get involved in debates about Christianity or Islam because I dont feel I know enough about either subject for a proper debate. Secondly, my spiritual hobby horse? Yes, clearly you know me, this week its Buddhism and the next it might be voodoo.

Really and your online name is just a coincidence then?

On the Dalai Lama, he is not the Pope of Buddhism. He does not control it or pass rules about it, nor does he speak for the majority. He is the spiritual/politicial leader of a relatively small sect of Buddhism. His opinions on sex and reincarnation are just that, opinions.

I agree, but I never said he was the "pope" of Buddhism? However he is probably the most famous buddhist in the west. So if he is talking crap, maybe get that message out.

As has already been mentioned, Buddhism is a philosophy to many, if people choose to view it as a religion that is their choice. I have read The Dhammapada and I find its teachings useful.

It is a belief system, unless you're an a la carte buddhist. I have found the christian sermon on the mount useful but no way am I a Christian. If one is a Buddhist then one must believe that reincarnation happens, that enlightenment and nirvana are achievable. That right there is a religion. It sure as hell aint science.

Let me ask you, would you have had the same problem if Jean-Paul Sartre had visited the country?

"Here's an apple, here's an orange, watch Timmy and Jane compare them". Eh no. Sartre wasn't a spiritual leader, or a political one, nor did he claim a spiritual right to rule over a feudal state. Bit of a diff there Ted.

Bodhidharma · 17-04-2011 11:20AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Really and your online name is just a coincidence then?

I agree, but I never said he was the "pope" of Buddhism? However he is probably the most famous buddhist in the west. So if he is talking crap, maybe get that message out.

It is a belief system, unless you're an a la carte buddhist. I have found the christian sermon on the mount useful but no way am I a Christian. If one is a Buddhist then one must believe that reincarnation happens, that enlightenment and nirvana are achievable. That right there is a religion. It sure as hell aint science.

"Here's an apple, here's an orange, watch Timmy and Jane compare them". Eh no. Sartre wasn't a spiritual leader, or a political one, nor did he claim a spiritual right to rule over a feudal state. Bit of a diff there Ted.

As regards my username, that was sarcasm, in other words Buddhism to me is not what you described as a "hobby horse" . The Dalai Lama being the 'most famous' Buddhist in the west is irrelevant. I could argue that Cat Stevens is the most famous Muslim, but I wouldn't quote him on it. "If one is a Buddhist then one must believe that reincarnation happens" - WRONG, the notion of the transmigration of the soul definitely does not exist in Buddhism, "that enlightenment and nirvana are achievable" - this is true.

Sartre was a leader of the existentialist movement in the post war Europe. Therefore he was a philosophical leader, Buddhism is a philosophy (with many silmilarities to existentialism), of which the Dalai Lama is the leader of one of its sub-sects. The comparison is clear. Just because he didn't claim to be the leader of a state doesn't mean they couldn't both be considered philosophical leaders. So, would you complain if he had visited?

Dalai Lama in Ireland

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