Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

zuroph · 07-04-2011 11:37PM

mike kelly wrote: »

yes it is, listen to the tape. "conspiracy to rape" is what the yanks would call it

listen to the whole tape. get the context.

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:38PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Wow you are so right. It was an awful mistake that I was thinking of Westport town council instead of Belmullet town council. You are very right. Sure the 1368 people who voted for a SF councillor are certainly the vast majority of people in Mayo and are a clear indication of the total support of S2S. You are so right. There is only one councillor in all of Mayo. You are so right.

Were talking about the people of Erris in which Rossport resides as this is the area were the project is based - btw there is more then 1 SF councillor in Mayo but as you've proven before, basic facts aren't your strong point:rolleyes:

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:40PM

K-9 wrote: »

It would be costing us money at the minute if we did have the rights. Some of these protesters would just find some other reason to protest, state theft of land, environmental stuff etc. etc.

No suprise that you'd support the likes of Ray Burke, Bertie Aherne et al when it comes to the Corrib gas giveaway:(

PS: Gas and oil are only going one way in terms of Price - whats happening in Ireland is that SHELLs extraction of it now is being subsidized on the backs of the Irish taxpayer in the absence of royalties. This resource will only get more valuable in the future but instead its been given away now on the cheap:(

yermanoffthetv · 07-04-2011 11:40PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Start a new thread then, rather then trying to derail this one:mad:

You are the very one derailing it with bankers and shell cops etc etc balah balah.

I listened to the whole tape. Again to put it in context. The vast majority of the tape is the gardai talking about how to best deal with difficult situations they were facing e.g removing protesters blocking the roads on their tractors and the health and safety issues involed...remember there about 10 minutes or so from being off duty...then the offending "joke"...then they go for their dinner!(last 15 minutes)

Birdnuts, just because you find it grossely offensive dont try to ram your opinions down everyones throat, people have the right to disagree with you. Rape is one of the worst offenses imagineable, no one would dissagree. A rape joke however is a different storey.Watch the late night standup on comedy central for an education on what some people find funny, some Id find vile but am I offended? no. In the same way what I find funny might disgust others. Shock horror, guards are people too and some have low brow sadistic senses of humor aswell. Heading back for a feed, at the end of a tough shift, not in pubic company, you can understand (though you dont have to condone) why there may have been a momentary lapse of professionalism.

Yes:they should be warned about their behaviour. Yes:they should know better. Yes:they should apoloigise. Anything more: nope

randylonghorn · 07-04-2011 11:41PM

mike kelly wrote: »

the names of these gardai should be made public

Why?

What would that achieve?

Their behaviour was moronic, and fell well below the standard of conduct which should be expected from the AGS. It has tarnished the good name of the force, and in particular it has the potential to damage the perception of the force as the body responsible for dealing with complaints and investigations into rape and other sexual offences.

It was good to see the Commissioner issuing an apology. It's a step in the right direction, but more needs to be done to send a clear and unequivocal message to the public and to the AGS itself that this falls well below the standards of professionalism expected.

However, publicly naming these fools will achieve nothing except to put their families in the public spotlight and spark another media circus.

mike kelly wrote: »

threatening to rape a woman is not a crime? come off it! whoever allowed them onto the force fcuked up. garda recruitment procedures need to be reviewed. the scum in question need to be named and shamed.

mike kelly wrote: »

it's on tape

I have made no bones about how distasteful I find the idiotic "joking" (if these totally unfunny remarks can be described in that way) of these three on-duty Gardaí, but I don't believe for a moment that there was an actual threat intended at any level.

lastlaugh · 07-04-2011 11:41PM

Birdnuts, do you think the punishment given to the 5 Gardai is sufficient or too lenient?

randylonghorn · 07-04-2011 11:43PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Birdnuts, do you think the punishment given to the 5 Gardai is sufficient or too lenient?

No punishment has been given.

They have simply been confined to office duties in Castlebar until all investigations are completed.

K-9 · 07-04-2011 11:44PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

No suprise that you'd support the likes of Ray Burke, Bertie Aherne et al when it comes to the Corrib gas giveaway:(

I didn't say that whatsoever but going on your record in this thread..............

Half the same crusties would find some other reason to protest if it was state owned.

You keep on fighting the good fight though.

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:44PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

I have made no bones about how distasteful I find the idiotic "joking" (if these totally unfunny remarks can be described in that way) of these three on-duty Gardaí, but I don't believe for a moment that there was an actual threat intended at any level.

The point is they were the arresting officers - not some teenagers on their own in their bedroom which some on here would have us beleive

Also todays papers suggest it wasn't an isolated incident:(

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:46PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Birdnuts, do you think the punishment given to the 5 Gardai is sufficient or too lenient?

They should be moved out of the Erris region - that is what local community groups have called for today.

randylonghorn · 07-04-2011 11:47PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The point is they were the arresting officers - not some teenagers on their own in their bedroom which some on here would have us beleive

You were disagreeing with me ... how exactly? 0_o

lastlaugh · 07-04-2011 11:47PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

No punishment has been given.

They have simply been confined to office duties in Castlebar until all investigations are completed.

Oh! I thought 4 of the 5 Gardai being transferred to Castlebar was their punishment!

randylonghorn · 07-04-2011 11:47PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

Oh! I thought 4 of the 5 Gardai being transferred to Castlebar was their punishment!

Nope.

Holding exercise.

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:48PM

K-9 wrote: »

Half the same crusties would find some other reason to protest if it was state owned.

You keep on fighting the good fight though.

Wow - you really don't like any kind of protestors. I hear Syria is nice at this time of year;)

ScumLord · 07-04-2011 11:50PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

The point is they were the arresting officers - not some teenagers on their own in their bedroom which some on here would have us beleive

Also todays papers suggest it wasn't an isolated incident:(

You mean Garda up and down this country are telling jokes amongst themselves? I'm shocked!!

lastlaugh · 07-04-2011 11:51PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

Nope.

Holding exercise.

Oh well, hopefully nobody loses their jobs or anything silly.

Really disappointed by all the hype and sensationalism caused by this.

older i get better i was · 07-04-2011 11:52PM

normally i'd never stickup for the gardai as i find them a farely inefficient lot but this is a storm over nowt, it was a private conversation, nobody is mak'n a fuss about the boot who refused to give her name nd addy to the coppers in the first place if she had she wouldn't have been nicked.

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:55PM

ScumLord wrote: »

You mean Garda up and down this country are telling jokes amongst themselves? I'm shocked!!

Stop deliberatly misinterpreting my post - it only highlights your own ignorance of the issue:(

Paparazzo · 07-04-2011 11:58PM

1670 posts and I doubt anyone has changed anyone else's stance on the matter!

Birdnuts · 07-04-2011 11:58PM

older i get better i was wrote: »

normally i'd never stickup for the gardai .

Sure - btw she was released without charge which begs the question as to why she was arrested in the first place??

wow sierra · 07-04-2011 11:59PM

Firstly I will say that joking about Rape is unacceptable in any context. When I heard the snippet on the news I was disgusted.

However after listening to the tape in full I feel very sorry for the Gardai involved and for all the Gardai who are involved in policing the situation down there. For most of the tape they are quite professional and it reveals the difficulty and frustration of dealing with these protestors. It is unreal the amount of man hours it has cost the Gardai, at a time when public money is scarce and could be better spent.
People are talking about victims of rape and the responsibilities of the Gardai in protecting society etc. I would be happier to see these Gardai working for the benefit of society as a whole rather than being stuck down there dealing with this protest. Most of the protestors seem to be of the "rent a crowd" brigade at this stage.
Gardai shouldn't be having to spend hours of training on how to get idiots down off tractors and trucks correctly within the Health and safety legislation. This time would be better used in tackling childpornography, domestic abuse etc etc.
If these protestors are really concerned with the victims of sexual abuse maybe they should volunteer their erergies to The Rape Crisis centre or some other group who help victims and raise awareness. It would do more to improve society than blocking roads down in Mayo.

Once again I find joking about Rape to be disgusting - but as regards whose side I am if thats what its about, I sympathise far more with the Gardai than the protestors. I also think the names of the Gardai being talked about on the tape in relation to rosters, shouldn't have been made public.

squod · 08-04-2011 12:00AM

older i get better i was wrote: »

normally i'd never stickup for the gardai as i find them a farely inefficient lot but this is a storm over nowt, it was a private conversation, nobody is mak'n a fuss about the boot who refused to give her name nd addy to the coppers in the first place if she had she wouldn't have been nicked.

It's called intimidation. Contriving a charge out of nothing, just to waste tax payers money should be bluddy added to the list of stupid stuff that happened that day.

04KY · 08-04-2011 12:04AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Sure - btw she was released without charge which begs the question as to why she was arrested in the first place??

I'm going to go with either climbing on to the tractor and refusing to move off it when told to, or not giving her name and address to Gardai, or both.

Birdnuts · 08-04-2011 12:07AM

wow sierra wrote: »

Firstly I will say that joking about Rape is unacceptable in any context. When I heard the snippet on the news I was disgusted.

However after listening to the tape in full I feel very sorry for the Gardai involved and for all the Gardai who are involved in policing the situation down there. For most of the tape they are quite professional and it reveals the difficulty and frustration of dealing with these protestors. It is unreal the amount of man hours it has cost the Gardai, at a time when public money is scarce and could be better spent.
People are talking about victims of rape and the responsibilities of the Gardai in protecting society etc. I would be happier to see these Gardai working for the benefit of society as a whole rather than being stuck down there dealing with this protest. Most of the protestors seem to be of the "rent a crowd" brigade at this stage.
Gardai shouldn't be having to spend hours of training on how to get idiots down off tractors and trucks correctly within the Health and safety legislation. This time would be better used in tackling childpornography, domestic abuse etc etc.
If these protestors are really concerned with the victims of sexual abuse maybe they should volunteer their erergies to The Rape Crisis centre or some other group who help victims and raise awareness. It would do more to improve society than blocking roads down in Mayo.

Once again I find joking about Rape to be disgusting - but as regards whose side I am if thats what its about, I sympathise far more with the Gardai than the protestors. I also think the names of the Gardai being talked about on the tape in relation to rosters, shouldn't have been made public.

I suggest you educate yourself as to why the people are protesting down there and the type of "policing" they have been subjected too. Pretending to be impartial impresses no- one:(

PS: Rossport is not known as the "Golden Mile" by the Gardai for nothing;)

ScumLord · 08-04-2011 12:08AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Stop deliberatly misinterpreting my post - it only highlights your own ignorance of the issue:(

I put it to you sir that it is you who is ignorant of basic human behaviour. Your high and mighty approach to this subject is just incompressible. You have made mistakes, you have said things you shouldn't have. I know this because it's something all of us have done.

You refuse to see these guards as anything other than monsters because of one joke said in private. The joke has no barring on their ability to act professionally unless you can show me any evidence of where they've been disrespectful to a rape victim, your just blowing steam and making assumptions.

04KY · 08-04-2011 12:09AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

PS: Rossport is not known as the "Golden Mile" by the Gardai for nothing;)

Well it isn't known as the "Golden Mile". And the Gardai are paid overtime as they have to do the overtime to police legal and the many illegal protests.

Birdnuts · 08-04-2011 12:09AM

04KY wrote: »

I'm going to go with either climbing on to the tractor and refusing to move off it when told to, or not giving her name and address to Gardai, or both.

Yeah - shocking stuff, amazing she wasn't brought before a lynch mob in chains there and then:rolleyes:

Birdnuts · 08-04-2011 12:11AM

ScumLord wrote: »

I put it to you sir that it is you who is ignorant of basic human behaviour. Your high and mighty approach to this subject is just incompressible. You have made mistakes, you have said things you shouldn't have. I know this because it's something all of us have done.

.

I'm not an arresting Gardai with vulnerable young women in my custody - spot the difference!!:rolleyes:

04KY · 08-04-2011 12:13AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Yeah - shocking stuff, amazing she wasn't brought before a lynch mob in chains there and then:rolleyes:

You really love those rollyeyes.

Are you saying she should be above the law?

ScumLord · 08-04-2011 12:15AM

Birdnuts wrote: »

I'm not an arresting Gardai with vulnerable young women in my custody - spot the difference!!:rolleyes:

Neither where they, the girls where in the custody of the guards in the other car.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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