Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Lando Griffin

An investigation has been launched into allegations that remarks of a sexually threatening nature were made by gardaí after the arrest of two women involved in a Corrib protest.

garda investigation has been launched in Co Mayo following allegations that remarks of a sexually threatening and disturbing nature were made by gardaí after the arrest of two women involved in an anti-Corrib gas protest last week.
A senior garda officer from outside the Mayo region has been appointed to carry out the investigation.
The two women had travelled to Mayo to support the Shell to Sea protest.
One of them had climbed onto a tractor, the other was filming her with a video camera.
Gardaí arrested both of them, put them in a patrol car and took them to Belmullet Garda Station.
The camera was placed in a second patrol car.
Last night, Shell to Sea said the gardaí didn't realise it was still recording and when it was handed back to the two women - it contained details of a conversation between the gardaí in the second patrol car.
A Shell to Sea spokesperson said the alleged remarks made by the gardaí were shocking and disturbing.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0405/corrib.html

Well now what do ye think of that.
I would love to hear the commentry should be a good laugh.

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Lando Griffin wrote: »

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Well now what do ye think of that.

I think it's very difficult to say out loud.

humanji

It all depends on what was said. Was it two lads talking sh*te or two gardai planning on raping them? They're the two version that each side will tell.

But I can only assume the S2S crowd will release the full thing on the internet in an attempt to paint all gardai as monsters, though.

Caco

Is this the video?

u140acro3xs7dm

ye thats the video, These muppets are in charge of upholding the law. Their job is to catch rapists and there they are telling visitors to our country that they will rape them. I think he said it 4 times to her.

Duggy747

From what I understand and heard from the audio this camera was put in a seperate car with Gardaì who were taking the piss amongst themselves.

Unprofessional but nobody was told they were going to be raped.

"Gimme your name or I'll rape ya!" was what was said around the 13:30 mark in the video Caco posted. Wasn't said to the protestors but was said amongst only other Gardaì in the car.

whiskeyman

Storm in a teacup IMO.
It was not directed at nor sounded threatening.
No doubt more money will be wasted on this investigation...

delta_bravo

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

ye thats the video, These muppets are in charge of upholding the law. Their job is to catch rapists and there they are telling visitors to our country that they will rape them. I think he said it 4 times to her.

He didn't say it to her. He said it in what should have been the privacy of the car as he didn't know it was being recorded. There were only other garda in the car. I know its very unprofessional but everyone has made stupid comments while working. Only difference here is he got recorded.

Micky Dolenz

Are all Gardai boggers?

Solair

When you're wearing a Garda uniform, or when you're a teacher, a medical practitioner, a nurse or anyone who is in a position of power, you do not talk like that in any situation.

Even if they were just 'two lads talking sh*ite", it would still be pretty shocking. The fact that they were two gardai on duty means that it's completely unacceptable behaviour.

The other issue is that vulnerable people who have been victims of sexual assault have to rely on the Gardaí to be their first point of contact in a crisis and to deal with often very personal information and accounts of terrible situations. They also have to rely on them to bring prosecutions against their attackers and also to provide protection to victims.

What kind of twisted message does this "lads talking sh*ite" send out about the Gardaí. Do they find rape to be an amusing topic or something?!

Quite honestly, I think this should be dealt with directly by the Minister for Justice. It's that serious!

Also, this is the modern world, recording devices are tiny and should be assumed to be everywhere. You behave appropriately when you're on duty.

u140acro3xs7dm

delta_bravo wrote: »

He didn't say it to her. He said it in what should have been the privacy of the car as he didn't know it was being recorded. There were only other garda in the car. I know its very unprofessional but everyone has made stupid comments while working. Only difference here is he got recorded.

Stupid comments is one thing but saying you will rape someone when you are a Guard is another. Seems like they find rape very amusing.

delta_bravo

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Are all Gardai boggers?

Really interesting input. You should go ask the gardai that next time you see them.

u140acro3xs7dm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Really interesting input. You should go ask the gardai that next time you see them.

I asked them once and got a puck of a walkie talkie.

samsemtex

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

Stupid comments is one thing but saying you will rape someone when you are a Guard is another.

He is clearly piss taking and wouldn't say it to her and wouldnt ACTUALLY do it either.

Having heard the tapes its very very clear that he is not being serious.

Having said that, they are still idiots.

fryup

well there was alot of sheep nearby

Guill

As a culchie, i finally feel right in saying:



BIG THICK CULCHIE GAURDS!




Regardless of the fact that they were joking, they are charged with protecting people and treating all with respect while wearing the uniform.

u140acro3xs7dm

samsemtex wrote: »

He is clearly piss taking and wouldn't say it to her and wouldnt ACTUALLY do it either.

Having heard the tapes its very very clear that he is not being serious.

If that was Brian Cowen or Ivor callaly joking about they would be lynched by now.

Guill

Did someone mention Lynching???

chicken fingers

Why do we pay these slow, foolish, country folk almost the highest salaries in the world to be our police force?

samsemtex

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

If that was Brian Cowen or Ivor callaly joking about he would be lynched by now.

But its not and to say a garda is in as elevated a position as the Taoiseach of the country is a stretch. They are Gardai and imo most gardai in this country are absolute idiots. And many of the younger Gardai don't even have leaving certificates so what calibre of Garda do you expect. This is nothing out of the ordinary for them.

MagicSean

The women weren't in the car at the time. Like it or not many gardai desensitise themselves to things like rape, murder etc.. It allows them to deal with these situations when they arise. They were joking in a personal conversation and weren't threatening anyone. If they get in trouble for blue humour recorded at a time when they had a reasonable expectation of privacy then you better be careful the next time you tell a risky joke.

Micky Dolenz

I'm just glad they are not allowed to carry guns.

Completely unacceptable behaviour. How can people who have to deal with sexual assault victims on a regular basis make rape jokes?, I would be disgusted it non Gardai made those types of "jokes".

u140acro3xs7dm

samsemtex wrote: »

But its not and to say a garda is in as elevated a position as the Taoiseach of the country is a stretch. They are Gardai and imo most gardai in this country are absolute idiots. And many of the younger Gardai don't even have leaving certificates so what calibre of Garda do you expect. This is nothing out of the ordinary for them.

It doesnt matter how well educated they are,if they are in a position of power and come out with a statement like that they should be sacked.

danbohan

chicken fingers wrote: »

Why do we pay these slow, foolish, country folk almost the highest salaries in the world to be our police force?

probably the same reason we paid that Intelligentsia from drumcondra more than the USA president to bankrupt the country

Bosco boy

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Are all Gardai boggers?

What an intelligent post!

DrumSteve

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

I asked them once and got a puck of a walkie talkie.

Maybe they were trying to help you phone home

_feedback_

They would have had no reason to complain had this not been recorded. So they were obviously treated well and in a professional manner. The two guards were joking and made a few silly comments.

It would be very very very different if the comments were made with the two women in the car.

Ridiculous if they get in trouble over that IMO.

samsemtex

chicken fingers wrote: »

Why do we pay these slow, foolish, country folk almost the highest salaries in the world to be our police force?

And what has them being "country folk" got to do with anything? You do realise illiteracy and low levels of education are rampant in urban areas and not rural ones, no?

_feedback_

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'm just glad they are not allowed to carry guns.

Completely unacceptable behaviour. How can people who have to deal with sexual assault victims on a regular basis make rape jokes?, I would be disgusted it non Gardai made those types of "jokes".

But sure, we make those jokes here all the time, and you can be sure that (example) a plumber making a house call today will have banter about a woman after they leave.

Why should these lads be any different?

They treated them well, apart from having a private joke, which unluckily for them was recorded.

Guill

Ridiculous to get in trouble for making comment when you think you are not being recorded?

Andy Gray
Richard Keyes
Ron Atkinson

etc, etc.......


They lost higher paid jobs that held a lower level of Authority.

Predator_

Its a load of bollox, he said it laughing as a joke.
Still though, I support those protestants at Corrib. They should be treated better.

Annasopra

elviscostello wrote: »

They would have had bo reason to complain had this not been recorded. So they were obviously treated well and in a professional manner. The two guards were joking and made a few silly comments.

It would be very very very different if the comments were made with the two women in the car.

Ridiculous if they get in trouble over that IMO.

silly comments!!! they were joking about sexual violence - that's not silly - it's sick and disturbing and violent but not silly

Micky Dolenz

elviscostello wrote: »

But sure, we make those jokes here all the time, and you can be sure that (example) a plumber making a house call today will have banter about a woman after they leave.

Why should these lads be any different?

They treated them well, apart from having a private joke, which unluckily for them was recorded.

joking about sexual violence against a woman under your control isn't banter. It pure and utter misogyny.

_feedback_

Johnnymcg wrote: »

silly comments!!! they were joking about sexual violence - that's not silly - it's sick and disturbing and violent but not silly

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

joking about sexual violence against a woman under your control isn't banter. It pure and utter misogyny.

But it's very clear they are joking. I don't joke about it or find it funny. But I completely realise that they are absolutely not being serious. This trip in the car is just daily routine for them, and they are joking between workmates.

Yes, the women were "under their control" but they were well treated and would have had no reason for complaint had the recording not been made.

MagicSean

elviscostello wrote: »

But it's very clear they are joking. I don't joke about it or find it funny. But I completely realise that they are absolutely not being serious. This trip in the car is just daily routine for them, and they are joking between workmates.

Yes, the women were "under their control" but they were well treated and would have had no reason for complaint had the recording not been made.

The women were in a different car with different Gardaí. Only the camera was in the car with the two Gardaí in question.

chicken fingers

Of course, nothing will come of this.

They were on the job. The women were under their care. Not acceptable. Anywhere else, they would be out of a job immediately.
These lads will have 6 months or a years paid leave and the investigation will give them at most a slap on the wrist and send them back to work. They wont make commissioner but they will still have jobs.

_feedback_

k_mac wrote: »

The women were in a different car with different Gardaí. Only the camera was in the car with the two Gardaí in question.

I know that. That's why the women would have been none the wiser of the joking, and would have had no reason for complaint, as they were well treated.

Micky Dolenz

elviscostello wrote: »

But it's very clear they are joking. I don't joke about it or find it funny. But I completely realise that they are absolutely not being serious. This trip in the car is just daily routine for them, and they are joking between workmates.

Yes, the women were "under their control" but they were well treated and would have had no reason for complaint had the recording not been made.

I have never ever joked about rape with a work colleague even when it was our off time, do you know why? Cos joking about rape ain't remotely funny.

It really shows character. And good character is a must when you are a defender of peace.

_feedback_

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I have never ever joked about rape with a work colleague even when it was our off time, do you know why? Cos joking about rape ain't remotely funny.

It really shows character. And good character is a must when you are a defender of peace.

I completely agree with you, it's not funny. Like I said, I have never joked about it either. But obviously it wasn't you or me in the car, and they joked about it for whatever reason they did. That's all it was though, a joke.

squod

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

joking about sexual violence against a woman under your control isn't banter. It pure and utter misogyny.

+1


Anyways, think this should be raised in the Dail. See if Fionnula thinks it's funny or if he'll direct it to Fianna Fails' Director of Public Prosecutions to be swept under the mat like everything else Berties mates have done.

MajorMax

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

If that was Brian Cowen or Ivor callaly joking about they would be lynched by now.

No they wouldn't, they raped the whole country and they're both still sitting pretty laughing at us

Mr. Presentable

chicken fingers wrote: »

Of course, nothing will come of this.

They were on the job. The women were under their care. Not acceptable. Anywhere else, they would be out of a job immediately.
These lads will have 6 months or a years paid leave and the investigation will give them at most a slap on the wrist and send them back to work. They wont make commissioner but they will still have jobs.

The women were in the care of different Gardai.

It was foolish and inappropriate, but not threatening or abusive.

Is it not the case that covert recordings are not admissable in Court?

It cannot, as one tried to do, be compared with the behaviour of tv broadcasters, who are in a recording environment.

u140acro3xs7dm

squod wrote: »

+1


Anyways, think this should be raised in the Dail. See if Fionnula thinks it's funny or if he'll direct it to Fianna Fails' Director of Public Prosecutions to be swept under the mat like everything else Berties mates have done.

That is nothing to do with berties mates or fine fail. The guards have always got away with stuff others wouldnt.

Logical Fallacy

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Is it not the case that covert recordings are not admissable in Court?

It wasn't really a covert recording though, it was the cops who neglected to turn off the video camera.

In effect they recorded themselves.

Fozzie Bear

It never ceases to amaze the absolute hyper hysterical reaction topics involving the Gardai (even remotely) get on Boards.

The usual high horse brigade are out I see weeping and gnashing their teeth and hoping somebody will please think of the children.

A couple of Gardai blowing off steam among themselves leads to faceless holier than thou, morally superior plebs condemning them as monsters who should be all but hung, drawn and quartered. The fact that those same Gardai receive some of the most hateful bile you can imagine being thrown at them daily up there has no bearing on it. Who remembers the "documentary" by Paul Williams. Drivel that it was it none the less showed some of the sh!te the Gardai had to deal with. One memorable quote "they did not kill half enough of ye fu@kers up there" being screamed by a purple faced lunatic, which referring to the IRA killing members of the Gardai.

I don't remember seeing any of you Joe Duffy apostles on here defending the Gardai after that. That right there makes you a Hypocrite or does it just suit your particular political slant of things to have a go at the Gardai over a non issue like this while turning the other cheek when its the reverse situation?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

squod

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

That is nothing to do with berties mates or fine fail. The guards have always got away with stuff others wouldnt.

That's because there's only ever been FF or FG governments. The oligarchy which runs this country sees fit to favour it's mates and servants over it's citizens.

MagicSean

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I have never ever joked about rape with a work colleague even when it was our off time, do you know why? Cos joking about rape ain't remotely funny.

It really shows character. And good character is a must when you are a defender of peace.

What do you work at if you don't mind me asking? Do you encounter rape victims often in your line of work?

Have you never heard of hospital staff joking about "vegetables"? Have you never heard of firemen joking about arson? Do you think when talking to a rape victim it is better to be able to listen to them talk or to look horrified at every thing they say? How do you think a person gets to the stage where they can listen to stories from a vicitm without showing emotion? It's a matter of desensitising yourself to the emotional aspect of a crime.

Contra Proferentem

This situation is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe it's at the top of the news with RTE and the Irish Times plugging it ad nausem.

It's quite clear the remarks were made in a jovial fashion, while not politically correct or terribly appropriate, such comments can arise when people seek to bring a bit of humour into a conversation after taking part in an odd, but routine arrest following a public order issue.

I'm not an pro-Shell person, but would come from the position of believing that a better deal could have been got that would have been more beneficial to the country. But this issue has little to do with that. It's clear that the women were well treated once in custody, any complaints may stem from the fact that they failed to comply with lawful instructions and reasonable force had to be used to detain them.

Micky Dolenz

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

The women were in the care of different Gardai.

It was foolish and inappropriate, but not threatening or abusive.

Is it not the case that covert recordings are not admissable in Court?

It cannot, as one tried to do, be compared with the behaviour of tv broadcasters, who are in a recording environment.

I understand it was a joke. If it happened in any part of the private sector, they would be fired.

I for one, would not want them interviewing a sexual assault victim if they can "joke" about such serious matters.

MagicSean

Adan Shy Landlord wrote: »

That is nothing to do with berties mates or fine fail. The guards have always got away with stuff others wouldnt.

Have you ever been charged with telling a joke, even if it is in bad taste?

Micky Dolenz

k_mac wrote: »

What do you work at if you don't mind me asking? Do you encounter rape victims often in your line of work?

Have you never heard of hospital staff joking about "vegetables"? Have you never heard of firemen joking about arson? Do you think when talking to a rape victim it is better to be able to listen to them talk or to look horrified at every thing they say? How do you think a person gets to the stage where they can listen to stories from a vicitm without showing emotion? It's a matter of desensitising yourself to the emotional aspect of a crime.

I expect them to be professional, nothing more, nothing less.