Poles getting Irish passports

fontanalis · 06-04-2011 02:36PM

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

The Polish wimmin took them?

Sonics2k · 06-04-2011 02:37PM

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

And yet thousands (if not millions) of Irish people have claimed Australian/British/American passports over the years.

How dare others do the same! Total bastards.

hidinginthebush · 06-04-2011 02:37PM

Dey tuk our stone-washed denim jeans and leather jackets!

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:39PM

conorhal wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau.

On what basis? The fear that they might emigrate? I don't you didn't want them here to begin with? Wasn't free movement of people under the EU your issue earlier? Apart from that what? Terrified they might go into education? Ahhh noooes!

conorhal wrote: »

they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

If they are entitled to claim citizenship they are entitled to it.

haydar · 06-04-2011 02:42PM

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Dey tuk our stone-washed denim jeans and leather jackets!

and black puma runners

conorhal · 06-04-2011 02:44PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

And yet thousands (if not millions) of Irish people have claimed Australian/British/American passports over the years.

How dare others do the same! Total bastards.

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

prinz · 06-04-2011 02:47PM

conorhal wrote: »

They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

And no Irish person has ever fiddled their visa applications....ever...... Are you forgetting about the rest of the reasons? Are you forgetting that perhaps they will never emigrate? Are you forgetting that thousands of Irish people are emigrating already? Should we take away their citizenship?

VictoriaC · 06-04-2011 02:47PM

I have a non-EU Passport and an EU Passport. many countries allow you to have 2 passports.

Chips Lovell · 06-04-2011 02:48PM

conorhal wrote: »

In further news, I'd imagine that citizenship meant more to them than a piece of paper to be used as an effective transit visa.....

So it's alright for Irish people to apply for citizenship in another country but not for Poles to so? Because somehow it will "mean" more to Irish people?

Oh_Noes · 06-04-2011 02:52PM

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

I'll give ya two of ours for one of theirs.

southsiderosie · 06-04-2011 02:53PM

conorhal wrote: »

Really?
Well I guess it must have nothing to do at all with those treaties we signed that surrendered any semblance of border control and that permit any EU citizen (or person married to an EU citizen) to reside here regardless of whether we either need or want them, and once here they cannot be excluded from working the system in the manner that the OP describes?
That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

Residence is not the same thing as citizenship, and the Irish government is actually quite choosy about granting citizenship to those who are not of Irish ancestry: you need five years of residence, the last three of which should have been without any kind of state support, and the application itself takes, on average, over two years to process. Seven-plus years to citizenship is by no means a quick-hit process, nor is approval guaranteed.

If anything Irish citizenship is (was) a commodity for many Irish-Americans, who used the fact that their grandfather was born in Ireland to get an Irish passport. This is without ever having worked or paid taxes in Ireland, or having any knowledge of Irish history, politics or culture. And these rules regarding bloodline citizenship existed long before the EU appeared on the scene.

conorhal · 06-04-2011 02:56PM

prinz wrote: »

On what basis? The fear that they might emigrate? I don't you didn't want them here to begin with? Wasn't free movement of people under the EU your issue earlier? Apart from that what? Terrified they might go into education? Ahhh noooes!

The fear that they might emigrate? No, the fury at their blatant disrespect to the privilege of Irish citizenship and the notion that it bestows nothing more then a transit visa.

prinz wrote: »

If they are entitled to claim citizenship they are entitled to it.

There is a difference between the entitlement to claim and the entitlement to a citizenship and more to citizenship then a sense of entitlement.
You're application for citizenship can be declined.

hoorsmelt · 06-04-2011 02:58PM

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

They're naturalised citizens- it happens once you're 5 years in the country with a valid visa or residence permit that you can apply for citizenship through naturalisation- unless there's a difference with this case, I'd imagine that these women have been naturalised here. That goes for everyone here, regardless of whether they're Polish, English, Australian etc. If it was an Aussie citizen who'd lived here 5 years before applying, would you ship them to immigration?

southsiderosie · 06-04-2011 02:58PM

conorhal wrote: »

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

I think you have a very rosy-eyed view of citizenship, which for many people is quite instrumental. Interestingly, there are a rising number of second and third-generation Irish in the US who are applying for Irish citizenship through their parents or grandparents in order to get access to the EU labor market. Essentially they are doing it for a piece of paper than makes it easier to live and work abroad - as you put it, a 'transit visa'.

Mena · 06-04-2011 03:00PM

Amalgam wrote: »

What are you like, have you bothered to read the first post, they're legal.

I have dual citizenship.. born here though.

Thing is, Irish Citizenship is granted based on the fact that you intend to stay in the country once granted.

It's on the application form amongst other places.

Sonics2k · 06-04-2011 03:00PM

conorhal wrote: »

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

Ah so your discrimination is based entirely on assumptions.

Not facts or actual knowledge, just on your assumptions and personal views.

ceadaoin. · 06-04-2011 03:00PM

conorhal wrote: »

There is a difference between the entitlement to claim and the entitlement to a citizenship and more to citizenship then a sense of entitlement.
You're application for citizenship can be declined.

And theirs was approved, get over it.

I don't know how you can justify your ridiculous double standard that it's ok for Irish people to do it because it somehow means more to them!

jackiebaron · 06-04-2011 03:09PM

beagle001 wrote: »

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

Varies from country to country to country. Ireland allows dual citizenship. Holland does not. Can't speak for other countries.

jackiebaron · 06-04-2011 03:17PM

conorhal wrote: »

Pfft*

I'm sure many on this board will bleat 'racist', but I consider my status as a citizen of this state to mean something more than a shortcut to a visa to Oz, this is shameful, and further evidence of the EU's corrosion and commodification of national identity.

Bollocks! Did it ever occur to you that the problem lies with the Australians. They make it easier for white English speakers to get a visa to Oz rather than anyone else. Nevermind that these Polish girls could be lily-white Aryan poster-children who speak the Queen's English, it's the Aussies who've made it harder for them and easier for you. All these concessions you get just for being white, English speaking and living in the North-western hemisphere and STILL you bitch when someone who was denied these birthright privileges that you enjoy manages to acquire them.

Sure, blame the fcuking EU for Australia's immigration policy. :rolleyes:

giant_midget · 06-04-2011 03:18PM

Hopefully the Australians have sometihing in place that does not allow a visa to be granted to people like this.

In my humble opinion you should have to be a citizen of the country of your passport for 10 years before any working visa's are granded. The Australians are very strict about immigration, I went through quite a few checks when i was there in various states.

They have too many scroungers and non skilled people trying to get into their country every day...Now the Poles will be doing their usual :rolleyes:

tweedledee · 06-04-2011 03:20PM

Ahh but ya see,the Irish are ENTITLED to everything around the world,entitled to huge salaries,entitled to huge dole,entitled to be allowed into every country without question,entitled to every job out there,entitled to everything thats goin for free,entitled to have as many passports as we like,being Irish means you are entitled for some strange reason to be under the illusion that the Irish are the elite race and and are always right and all others are not,yeah whatever Trever.....

southsiderosie · 06-04-2011 03:24PM

giant_midget wrote: »

Hopefully the Australians have sometihing in place that does not allow a visa to be granted to people like this.

In my humble opinion you should have to be a citizen of the country of your passport for 10 years before any working visa's are granded. The Australians are very strict about immigration, I went through quite a few checks when i was there in various states.

They have too many scroungers and non skilled people trying to get into their country every day...Now the Poles will be doing their usual :rolleyes:

That's ridiculous. Most people have to be resident for 5-10 years before they are even eligible to apply for citizenship. And most countries - Ireland in particular - will not grant citizenship to those who have not worked, the logic being that you have to show that you have contributed to society and have not been a burden on the state.

People on this thread are acting like governments hand out passports like candy, and that is decidedly not the case, especially for immigrants in Ireland of non-Irish descent.

tweedledee · 06-04-2011 03:25PM

Midget whats the usual thing the Poles do????????
40000 Irish living illegally in USA
10000 Irish living illegally in Canada
20000 Irish living illegally in Oz
Lots of Irish here in Ireland marrying non Irish for money.
Thousands of Irish trying to marry Americans,Ozzies etc just to get visa and passports.
Lots of Irish overseas marrying non Europeans for money.
Midget whats your point again?????

giant_midget · 06-04-2011 03:26PM

tweedledee wrote: »

Ahh but ya see,the Irish are ENTITLED to everything around the world,entitled to huge salaries,entitled to huge dole,entitled to be allowed into every country without question,entitled to every job out there,entitled to everything thats goin for free,entitled to have as many passports as we like,being Irish means you are entitled for some strange reason to be under the illusion that the Irish are the elite race and and are always right and all others are not,yeah whatever Trever.....

No not at all...we come from a normal country. We were part of the civilised EU before all the barbarian countrys entered. We have a skilled workforce and have come from a prosperous country, Not a war thorn dump where teachers and doctors get paid 200e a week...

southsiderosie · 06-04-2011 03:28PM

giant_midget wrote: »

No not at all...we come from a normal country. We were part of the civilised EU before all the barbarian countrys entered. We have a skilled workforce and have come from a prosperous country, Not a war thorn dump where teachers and doctors get paid 200e a week...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So that's why there are so many generations of Irish living in the US then, having fled the 'prosperity' of Ireland? :rolleyes:

haydar · 06-04-2011 03:28PM

giant_midget wrote: »

No not at all...we come from a normal country. We were part of the civilised EU before all the barbarian countrys entered. We have a skilled workforce and have come from a prosperous country, Not a war thorn dump where teachers and doctors get paid 200e a week...

TROLL

giant_midget · 06-04-2011 03:29PM

tweedledee wrote: »

Midget whats the usual thing the Poles do????????
40000 Irish living illegally in USA
10000 Irish living illegally in Canada
20000 Irish living illegally in Oz
Lots of Irish here in Ireland marrying non Irish for money.
Thousands of Irish trying to marry Americans,Ozzies etc just to get visa and passports.
Lots of Irish overseas marrying non Europeans for money.
Midget whats your point again?????

Where did you get those figures from...:rolleyes: i suggest you do some research...must be some Polish blood in you if you cant grasp basic figures and do research on something.

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tweedledee · 06-04-2011 03:32PM

Its a myth that the Irish are a hard working,highly educated,highly skilled nation.Corrupt and lazy would be more accurate I think.The double standards with the Irish is laughable,what do you think the Irish overseas are upto,most of them are doing whatever they can to get another passport because the Irish passport aint as desirable as it once was.Especially now that the country is a bankrupt backwater.Travel overseas a little and see how warm a welcome the Irish get these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Times have changed.

giant_midget · 06-04-2011 03:33PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So that's why there are so many generations of Irish living in the US then, having fled the 'prosperity' of Ireland? :rolleyes:

The Irish have always lived in the US...:rolleyes:

Poor Craythur · 06-04-2011 03:34PM

giant_midget wrote: »

The Irish have always lived in the US...:rolleyes:

Does not compute.

Poles getting Irish passports

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