Poles getting Irish passports

beagle001

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

suicide_circus

Dey tuk ar....passports!

Sykk

suicide_circus wrote: »

Dey tuk ar....passports!

I had full intentions of using that exact line when entering this thread. :mad:

Apanachi

beagle001 wrote: »

Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

Irish nationals can have dual citizenship too

MagicMarker

Pics or GTFO.

Guy:Incognito

beagle001 wrote: »

I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

I've had dual nationality (Irish and German) and 2 passports since I was born (well an Irish one of my own since whatever age they let you)

mikemac

In the past Ireland had a reputation for selling passports to millionaires

Could be a way to raise some money

prinz

beagle001 wrote: »

I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

No EU standard. Depends on the naturalisation and citizenship laws in each country. Their Irish citizenship will not be recognised by the Polish State however, the Poles don't do dual citizenship, but the Irish State will recognise dual citizenship. If they are entitled to it, more power to them.

nothing new in dual citizenship

nothing further to discuss

stovelid

You can hold an Irish and English passport at the same time, or at least you could IIRC.

conorhal

Pfft*


I'm sure many on this board will bleat 'racist', but I consider my status as a citizen of this state to mean something more than a shortcut to a visa to Oz, this is shameful, and further evidence of the EU's corrosion and commodification of national identity.

starbelgrade

stovelid wrote: »

You can hold an Irish and English passport at the same time, or at least you could IIRC.

You still can.

Faith+1

Poland are in the EU??? Since when? Thought they were still in the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact.
How times change

beagle001

Guess they are just trying to work the system in their favour.
They tell me that getting a visa to the states or Oz is very difficult for Polish people and the Irish passport gives them a big advantage.

aujopimur

suicide_circus wrote: »

Dey tuk ar....passports!

And dey tuk our wimmin

Absurdum

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

I think we got the better deal tbh

UglyBolloxFace

stovelid wrote: »

You can hold an Irish and English passport at the same time, or at least you could IIRC.

[pedantic bastard mode] There's no such thing as an English passport - It's a British passport [/pedantic bastard mode]

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

.. and further evidence of the EU's corrosion and commodification of national identity.

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the E.U.

stovelid

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

[pedantic bastard mode] There's no such thing as an English passport - It's a British passport [/pedantic bastard mode]

Why does your post have a closing pedantic bastard mode bracket?

UglyBolloxFace

stovelid wrote: »

Why does your post have a closing pedantic bastard mode bracket?

Because I am hereby finished with my pedantic bastardism.

Sea Sharp

That means there's no incentive for hot Polish women to marry me on false pretenses for citizenship. :mad:

backthephilup

As any self respecting Russian spy or Israeli assassin will tell you "there's nothing like an Irish passport"

hardCopy

In other news, thousands of Irish have received naturalised citizenship in other countries for time immemorial

conorhal

prinz wrote: »

It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the E.U.

Really?
Well I guess it must have nothing to do at all with those treaties we signed that surrendered any semblance of border control and that permit any EU citizen (or person married to an EU citizen) to reside here regardless of whether we either need or want them, and once here they cannot be excluded from working the system in the manner that the OP describes?
That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

conorhal

hardCopy wrote: »

In other news, thousands of Irish have received naturalised citizenship in other countries for time immemorial

In further news, I'd imagine that citizenship meant more to them than a piece of paper to be used as an effective transit visa.....

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

The fact of the matter is our laws enable dual citizenship. Not Europe's, just the same way as Poland's laws don't recognise dual citizenship. Again nothing to do with Europe. How they came to be applying for citizenship is irrelevant.

Nodin

conorhal wrote: »

Really?
Well I guess it must have nothing to do at all with those treaties we signed that surrendered any semblance of border control and that permit any EU citizen (or person married to an EU citizen) to reside here regardless of whether we either need or want them, and once here they cannot be excluded from working the system in the manner that the OP describes?
That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

...wasn't one of our Dear Leaders selling passports, long before these treaties were signed.....?

conorhal

Nodin wrote: »

...wasn't one of our Dear Leaders selling passports, long before these treaties were signed.....?

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

Amalgam

conorhal wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau.

What are you like, have you bothered to read the first post, they're legal.

I have dual citizenship.. born here though.

conorhal

Amalgam wrote: »

What are you like, have you bothered to read the first post, they're legal.

I have dual citizenship.. born here though.

I understand that, but immigration and naturalization handle applications for citizenship and can refuse it.

RachaelVO

Apanachi wrote: »

Irish nationals can have dual citizenship too

Yep, my children have both dutch and irish!

fontanalis

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

The Polish wimmin took them?

Sonics2k

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

And yet thousands (if not millions) of Irish people have claimed Australian/British/American passports over the years.

How dare others do the same! Total bastards.

hidinginthebush

Dey tuk our stone-washed denim jeans and leather jackets!

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau.

On what basis? The fear that they might emigrate? I don't you didn't want them here to begin with? Wasn't free movement of people under the EU your issue earlier? Apart from that what? Terrified they might go into education? Ahhh noooes!

conorhal wrote: »

they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

If they are entitled to claim citizenship they are entitled to it.

haydar

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Dey tuk our stone-washed denim jeans and leather jackets!

and black puma runners

conorhal

Sonics2k wrote: »

And yet thousands (if not millions) of Irish people have claimed Australian/British/American passports over the years.

How dare others do the same! Total bastards.

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

And no Irish person has ever fiddled their visa applications....ever...... Are you forgetting about the rest of the reasons? Are you forgetting that perhaps they will never emigrate? Are you forgetting that thousands of Irish people are emigrating already? Should we take away their citizenship?

VictoriaC

I have a non-EU Passport and an EU Passport. many countries allow you to have 2 passports.

Chips Lovell

conorhal wrote: »

In further news, I'd imagine that citizenship meant more to them than a piece of paper to be used as an effective transit visa.....

So it's alright for Irish people to apply for citizenship in another country but not for Poles to so? Because somehow it will "mean" more to Irish people?

Oh_Noes

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

I'll give ya two of ours for one of theirs.

southsiderosie

conorhal wrote: »

Really?
Well I guess it must have nothing to do at all with those treaties we signed that surrendered any semblance of border control and that permit any EU citizen (or person married to an EU citizen) to reside here regardless of whether we either need or want them, and once here they cannot be excluded from working the system in the manner that the OP describes?
That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

Residence is not the same thing as citizenship, and the Irish government is actually quite choosy about granting citizenship to those who are not of Irish ancestry: you need five years of residence, the last three of which should have been without any kind of state support, and the application itself takes, on average, over two years to process. Seven-plus years to citizenship is by no means a quick-hit process, nor is approval guaranteed.

If anything Irish citizenship is (was) a commodity for many Irish-Americans, who used the fact that their grandfather was born in Ireland to get an Irish passport. This is without ever having worked or paid taxes in Ireland, or having any knowledge of Irish history, politics or culture. And these rules regarding bloodline citizenship existed long before the EU appeared on the scene.

conorhal

prinz wrote: »

On what basis? The fear that they might emigrate? I don't you didn't want them here to begin with? Wasn't free movement of people under the EU your issue earlier? Apart from that what? Terrified they might go into education? Ahhh noooes!

The fear that they might emigrate? No, the fury at their blatant disrespect to the privilege of Irish citizenship and the notion that it bestows nothing more then a transit visa.

prinz wrote: »

If they are entitled to claim citizenship they are entitled to it.

There is a difference between the entitlement to claim and the entitlement to a citizenship and more to citizenship then a sense of entitlement.
You're application for citizenship can be declined.

hoorsmelt

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

They're naturalised citizens- it happens once you're 5 years in the country with a valid visa or residence permit that you can apply for citizenship through naturalisation- unless there's a difference with this case, I'd imagine that these women have been naturalised here. That goes for everyone here, regardless of whether they're Polish, English, Australian etc. If it was an Aussie citizen who'd lived here 5 years before applying, would you ship them to immigration?

southsiderosie

conorhal wrote: »

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

I think you have a very rosy-eyed view of citizenship, which for many people is quite instrumental. Interestingly, there are a rising number of second and third-generation Irish in the US who are applying for Irish citizenship through their parents or grandparents in order to get access to the EU labor market. Essentially they are doing it for a piece of paper than makes it easier to live and work abroad - as you put it, a 'transit visa'.

Mena

Amalgam wrote: »

What are you like, have you bothered to read the first post, they're legal.

I have dual citizenship.. born here though.

Thing is, Irish Citizenship is granted based on the fact that you intend to stay in the country once granted.

It's on the application form amongst other places.

Sonics2k

conorhal wrote: »

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

Ah so your discrimination is based entirely on assumptions.

Not facts or actual knowledge, just on your assumptions and personal views.

ceadaoin.

conorhal wrote: »

There is a difference between the entitlement to claim and the entitlement to a citizenship and more to citizenship then a sense of entitlement.
You're application for citizenship can be declined.

And theirs was approved, get over it.

I don't know how you can justify your ridiculous double standard that it's ok for Irish people to do it because it somehow means more to them!

jackiebaron

beagle001 wrote: »

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

Varies from country to country to country. Ireland allows dual citizenship. Holland does not. Can't speak for other countries.

jackiebaron

conorhal wrote: »

Pfft*


I'm sure many on this board will bleat 'racist', but I consider my status as a citizen of this state to mean something more than a shortcut to a visa to Oz, this is shameful, and further evidence of the EU's corrosion and commodification of national identity.

Bollocks! Did it ever occur to you that the problem lies with the Australians. They make it easier for white English speakers to get a visa to Oz rather than anyone else. Nevermind that these Polish girls could be lily-white Aryan poster-children who speak the Queen's English, it's the Aussies who've made it harder for them and easier for you. All these concessions you get just for being white, English speaking and living in the North-western hemisphere and STILL you bitch when someone who was denied these birthright privileges that you enjoy manages to acquire them.

Sure, blame the fcuking EU for Australia's immigration policy. :rolleyes:

giant_midget

Hopefully the Australians have sometihing in place that does not allow a visa to be granted to people like this.

In my humble opinion you should have to be a citizen of the country of your passport for 10 years before any working visa's are granded. The Australians are very strict about immigration, I went through quite a few checks when i was there in various states.

They have too many scroungers and non skilled people trying to get into their country every day...Now the Poles will be doing their usual :rolleyes: