Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

optogirl · 05-04-2011 02:00PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

so you are actually saying you believe they were conspiring to rape this girl? you say you can't see the joke, so you think the comments were serious? Are you for real?

Eh no man. I said I don't see where the joke is. I don't think the Garda would have thought 'I'll tell 'em this one now'. It was a moronic mysoginistic conversation, I fail to see any joke in there, that's all. Don't for one minute think they were consipiring to do anything other than be the brutish bunch of pri*ks they are.

prinz · 05-04-2011 02:01PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'll kill ya or murder ya is a turn of phrase used by every parent over the land, it doesn't compare to saying you'll rape someone. There is a difference.

Rape is also becoming a turn of phrase that has multiple uses and is also widely used.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 02:01PM

prinz wrote: »

What about surgeons joking about patients? Accountants joking about fraud? Solicitors joking about breaking the law? Electricians joking about faulty wiring?

yeah, faulty wiring and rape are the same.

Again - would you expect a fireman to make jokes about people being injured in fires?

humanji · 05-04-2011 02:01PM

Poor Craythur wrote: »

In your free time, anything. But in your job, it's different. There are ethics and moral codes, each different depending on your job.

People are reluctant enough to report rape as it is, such flagrant flippancy doesn't help.

Does that mean in your job you have to be on 100% of the time? Even when people aren't there?

The cops are human. Stupid, but human. Again, I think they should be reprimanded in some way, but they warrant little more than a dressing down. Bertie told people to go kill themselves and nothing was done after the apology. I see this as no different.

bicardi19 · 05-04-2011 02:01PM

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze the absolute hyper hysterical reaction topics involving the Gardai (even remotely) get on Boards.

The usual high horse brigade are out I see weeping and gnashing their teeth and hoping somebody will please think of the children.

A couple of Gardai blowing off steam among themselves leads to faceless holier than thou, morally superior plebs condemning them as monsters who should be all but hung, drawn and quartered. The fact that those same Gardai receive some of the most hateful bile you can imagine being thrown at them daily up there has no bearing on it. Who remembers the "documentary" by Paul Williams. Drivel that it was it none the less showed some of the sh!te the Gardai had to deal with. One memorable quote "they did not kill half enough of ye fu@kers up there" being screamed by a purple faced lunatic, which referring to the IRA killing members of the Gardai.

I don't remember seeing any of you Joe Duffy apostles on here defending the Gardai after that. That right there makes you a Hypocrite or does it just suit your particular political slant of things to have a go at the Gardai over a non issue like this while turning the other cheek when its the reverse situation?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET A GRIP PEOPLE.[/QU

How would you feel if someone "joked" about raping your wife,sister or mother? Not so funny then is it?

prinz · 05-04-2011 02:02PM

optogirl wrote: »

... the brutish bunch of pri*ks they are.

Once again a charming summary of what actually transpired.:rolleyes:

Frank Black · 05-04-2011 02:04PM

Padkir wrote: »

Ah, someone speeds and kills 5 people in a car crash.
Without downplaying rape i would suggest that yes, this is worse!!

If you have to add in a bit about killing 5 people to try to make your point I'd suggest that it means your argument is morally suspect.

For the record rape is worse than speeding.

prinz · 05-04-2011 02:04PM

optogirl wrote: »

yeah, faulty wiring and rape are the same.
Again - would you expect a fireman to make jokes about people being injured in fires?

Absolutely, I'd have no doubt about it that such a topic would be going round the firestations as part of firecrew jokes. As long as they keep it to themselves, I really don't see the need for them to lose their jobs over it.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 02:04PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

is this also a major problem in your eyes or is it just people who are paid out of the public purse that you feel entitled to judge and preach to?

Yes, mostly that.

Freddie59 · 05-04-2011 02:05PM

What's being forgotten here is the behaviour of the 'protestors' themselves. When that young Garda was killed last year in Donegal, some woman at the Mayo protest jibed at the Gards that 'its' a pity a few more of ye weren't killed' or words to that effect.

Yep - the banter was wrong; but inadvertently recorded. I'd imagine it's a release valve when you're dealing with the ****e that goes on at that site day in, day out.

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 02:05PM

bicardi19 wrote: »

How would you feel if someone "joked" about raping your wife,sister or mother? Not so funny then is it?

The phrase "your ma" is thrown around quite often on this forum.

PeakOutput · 05-04-2011 02:05PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Different. If he said this would you have an issue?.

"If that fella/girl doesn't shut up, I'll rape him/her"

I'll kill ya or murder ya is a turn of phrase used by every parent over the land, it doesn't compare to saying you'll rape someone. There is a difference.

that is one big crock of hypocrisy

the only difference is in your head, context is either important or its not

I have no idea what age you are but the word rape is dropped regularly to describe many different things among the under 30's these days(there is a long thread in tll about just that).

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 02:06PM

prinz wrote: »

Rape is also becoming a turn of phrase that has multiple uses and is also widely used.

Not with the people I hang around with and certainly not with those who I work with.

vinchick · 05-04-2011 02:06PM

Padkir wrote: »

Right, example. Someone is hurling abuse at the cops, breaking the law, doing whatever, and is arrested.

Cop says (jokingly, and not in the presence of the person) to his co-worker, "If that fella doesn't shut up I'll kill him..."

Should he be reprimanded, fired, left by his wife, etc?? NO!! Or do you think that any abuse victim or family of a murder victim should stop going to the guards because they can't take murder seriously anymore??

Again take a look at the literature that has been done on why victims of rape do not report.

Rape has a certain type of dynamics and element which make it different to other offences, including other types of sexual offences. This is why there are so many different types of offence such as sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault etc. Each level documents the level of assault, harm, humiliation that has occurred.

It has been shown time and time again that the way police act, the types of things they say and the attitudes that they display affect reporting of rape profoundly. There is no speculation, is has been observed, documented and analysed. The example above is not a fair comparison as there are different dynamics and consideration that occur when the offence is perpetrated and in the aftermath of that offence. Murder has one of the highest recorded report rates due to it's nature and rape one of the lowest due to its.

But again don't take my word for it, check out any of the literature on attrition and see just how delicate the balance is and how these comments will not help the already fractured situation.

Kewreeuss · 05-04-2011 02:06PM

Does this mean that lawyers can't sit around discussing their client in less than complimentary terms, in case it a)taped and b)it affects the way they defend that client later on?
Do you honestly think a doctor or a nurse has never made a derogatory comment about the drunken lout shouting out in A&E? But that doesn't stop them treating them with care or professionalism to their face, does it? Does it stop the drunk turning up for attention?
What about soldiers in the field; and as previously mentioned what about firemen, coroners, what they say and think among themselves doesn't mean they do not do their job thoroughly and conscientiously, does it? Do people who are around cadavers make jokes about necrophilia?
Should we start another thread listing things that about which we are not allowed make any sort of flippant remark? Evidently rape is one, the mentally handicapped is another. What's allowed, what's not?
As far as I was aware people didn't report crimes to the police because the criminals either couldn't be caught or if they were caught they wouldn't be prosecuted and if they were prosecuted they would be out on bail. That's not the police's fault, they do what they can, the rest is up to the lawyers and the judges.
Be thankful we have the fairly benign policeforce that we have. Do you think the french, german or italian police would tolerate the ongoing situation that we have down at the pipeline? Apologies, i am going off track.

Padkir · 05-04-2011 02:06PM

prinz wrote: »

Rape is also becoming a turn of phrase that has multiple uses and is also widely used.

+1.

It's a very common phrase, used by both men AND women!!

jetpack101 · 05-04-2011 02:07PM

prinz wrote: »

Rape is also becoming a turn of phrase that has multiple uses and is also widely used.

I agree
The word rape is not used as it was before, you here it a lot with online game play "We totally rapped that other team" or after a game of football "We got raped out there"

Because some smelly hippy took offense at the statement now its going to cost us thousands in fees to investigate it and a Garda could loose his job.

They have a very tough job dealing with these wasters. The Garda are there to protect the project and its workers. What about the treats to the employees from the protesters! will any of them be charged ..... don't ****ing think so.

**** the touchy bitch, its just another way to get at the Garda.

prinz · 05-04-2011 02:07PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Not with the people I hang around with and certainly not with those who I work with.

That's great, but it is. Using illegal drugs wouldn't be big with the people I hang around with or work with, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and say it doesn't happen. It's used widely enough for a football manager to go on live TV commenting on a match to describe a tackle as 'rape'.

K-9 · 05-04-2011 02:07PM

optogirl wrote: »

Eh no man. I said I don't see where the joke is. I don't think the Garda would have thought 'I'll tell 'em this one now'. It was a moronic mysoginistic conversation, I fail to see any joke in there, that's all. Don't for one minute think they were consipiring to do anything other than be the brutish bunch of pri*ks they are.

If you read the transcript they actually talk a lot about the safety of the protesters, doesn't sound very brutish to me.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 02:08PM

prinz wrote: »

Once again a charming summary of what actually transpired.:rolleyes:

I didnt summarise what transpired. I said I think, judging from that moronic childish conversation, that they are a brutish bunch of pri*cks. Jaysus you must have that rolly eyes smiley shortcut worn out by now Prinz

My name is URL · 05-04-2011 02:10PM

jetpack101 wrote: »

I agree
The word rape is not used as it was before, you here it a lot with online game play "We totally rapped that other team" or after a game of football "We got raped out there"

Because some smelly hippy took offense at the statement now its going to cost us thousands in fees to investigate it and a Garda could loose his job.

They have a very tough job dealing with these wasters. The Garda are there to protect the project and its workers. What about the treats to the employees from the protesters! will any of them be charged ..... don't ****ing think so.

**** the touchy bitch, its just another way to get at the Garda.

Do you think they should be charged?

Obviously you, and many others in this thread believe that the Gardai should have a free reign while the crusties be made to suffer for their protestations.

Seriously, it's not even about who is right and who is wrong for most of the people in this thread. It's about left vs right, and those on each side are so entrenched that they cannot look at the situation objectively.

PeakOutput · 05-04-2011 02:11PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Not with the people I hang around with and certainly not with those who I work with.

to your knowledge, how do you know what is said, by your work colleagues in particular, when you are not around?

would you suddenly not be friends with someone if you heard a recording of them making a rape themed joke?

maybe you would but if that is the case I think you need to lighten up

vinchick · 05-04-2011 02:11PM

Kewreeuss wrote: »

As far as I was aware people didn't report crimes to the police because the criminals either couldn't be caught or if they were caught they wouldn't be prosecuted and if they were prosecuted they would be out on bail. That's not the police's fault, they do what they can, the rest is up to the lawyers and the judges. .

Take a look at any of the research I have mentioned previously about attrition rates and non reporting and they outline the full reasons. The police have a bigger influence on them than you think.

smeedyova · 05-04-2011 02:12PM

This conversation reveals the true thought process of the individuals involved. It sounds to me as though they like the idea of rape and are recorded as enjoying the sense of power it would give them to tell the young woman involved that they are going to rape her (they merrily laugh at the thought of telling her that they are going to rape her).

Their use of the term "yank" signals racism.

The kindest interpretation that can be given to this conversation is that the individuals involved are utterly stupid and amazingly ignorant.

bicardi19 · 05-04-2011 02:13PM

k_mac wrote: »

The phrase "your ma" is thrown around quite often on this forum.

Personally I don't find that funny either, but does not necessarily mean rape or mention rape.
Also they are talking about an actual woman they have in their custody.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 02:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

If you read the transcript they actually talk a lot about the safety of the protesters, doesn't sound very brutish to me.

Look, I agree that people are over-reacting here calling for them to be sacked etc but let's look at a couple of the non-arguments being bandied about by people defending it as 'just banter' or whatever.

1. The use of the word rape can have different meanings eg: one sports team raping another, being overcharged etc. This is true but does not apply in this case: do ye honestly think that they meant it in any other way than a sexual assault

2. It's only a joke: Maybe some peope find this funny however it's highly offensive - they are not Frankie Boyle, they are the gardai and should have more cop on and frankly more manners than to speak like that at work. This would be a major HR issue if it happened at my work

Poor Craythur · 05-04-2011 02:14PM

optogirl wrote: »

1. The use of the word rape can have different meanings eg: one sports team raping another, being overcharged etc. This is true but does not apply in this case: do ye honestly think that they meant it in any other way than a sexual assault

Exactly. People do use it in different ways, but this not one of those.

mikemac · 05-04-2011 02:15PM

The use of rape and other terms was discussed at length over in the Ladies Lounge last week

A few giving examples like the speedy winger raped that slowed footed defender.
Went shopping in Superquinn, so expensive there they raped my pockets.
I'd rape a carvary dinner now, starving.

Just two gardai blowing off steam.
And most of the transcript is dealing with safety. Ladders and training to get people down from a height

I did a legal course, illegitimate and bastards are still terms used in Ireland and in legal books.
But I know if I posted on some legal case here and used those terms I'd be run off boards!

podge3 · 05-04-2011 02:16PM

kopfan77 wrote: »

Pisses me off when people cant be bothered to at least do that much before posting ridiculous comments

But isn't that why people read these threads? To see posters making complete ar$es of themselves?

Don't tell me you expected enlightened and factual debate in threads like this

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Iwannahurl · 05-04-2011 02:16PM

Invitation to the posters here who think this incident is blown out of proportion and that the Garda officers in question were just engaging in a bit of harmless inconsequential banter.

Off the top of my head I don't know any Mods, in AH or elsewhere on Boards, that are definitely female. But if you do, just try making rape-related comments of a similar nature about them. Let's see then whether you avoid being banned for long.

My guess: such tasteless and abusive carry-on might well get you permanently banned from Boards.

Now consider this 'real-life' situation which concerns the clearly unprofessional behaviour of Garda officers. It reveals a lot about their attitudes to their work and to their dealings with the public. I hope they pay an appropriate price for their lack of discipline and professionalism.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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