Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Buceph · 05-04-2011 12:36PM

k_mac wrote: »

6.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person in a public place to use or engage in any threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace or being reckless as to whether a breach of the peace may be occasioned.

So why did you try and mislead people into thinking that it's an offense to simply use insulting words or abusive words? Why did you selectively quote the act?

And you ignored my "Are you a guard?" question. Although I could make a guess at an answer.

Kewreeuss · 05-04-2011 12:36PM

Wow! So many perfect people living in a perfect world, everthing laid out in black and white for them. It makes life so simple doesn't it, no one offends anybody, everyone is respected equally. Each person is exactly like the next and we all sing off the same hymnsheet. And we all agree exactly with each other. All is peace and love.

mikom · 05-04-2011 12:37PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

So if they said it while off duty it would be fine with you! Your moral compass is working well!

Read the post again, and don't stand in judgement over me.
Off duty it's up to themselves what they want to do moral or immoral, legal or illegal.
They spin the wheel, they take their chance............ in civvie uniform of course (plainclothes accepted).

smeedyova · 05-04-2011 12:38PM

These men who think that they can threaten women with rape should be fired immediately. It doesn't matter if they said these violent things directly to their victims or not --- what matters is that they are so intellectually and morally underdeveloped that they should not have any position of authority. They think that the idea threatening a woman with rape is funny --- would you like to have to report an actual rape to these idiots? Does anybody know what the requirements are for entry into Garda training? From this conversation it seems that the ability to breath is enough. As for the senior guard --- how unprofessional is he? The fact that all of them use language that is unconducive to professional discourse is also very telling --- swearing while at work is unprofessional and is not tolerated in other countries. Their level of communication never rises above "uneducated", at best. Talk about backward.

_DMac_ · 05-04-2011 12:41PM

smeedyova wrote: »

These men who think that they can threaten women with rape should be fired immediately. It doesn't matter if they said these violent things directly to their victims or not --- what matters is that they are so intellectually and morally underdeveloped that they should not have any position of authority. They think that the idea threatening a woman with rape is funny --- would you like to have to report an actual rape to these idiots? Does anybody know what the requirements are for entry into Garda training? From this conversation it seems that the ability to breath is enough. As for the senior guard --- how unprofessional is he? The fact that all of them use language that is unconducive to professional discourse is also very telling --- swearing while at work is unprofessional and is not tolerated in other countries. Their level of communication never rises above "uneducated", at best. Talk about backward.

FAIL

this thread has now gone into actual hippy town so i am off. toodles

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 12:41PM

Buceph wrote: »

So why did you try and mislead people into thinking that it's an offense to simply use insulting words or abusive words? Why did you selectively quote the act?

And you ignored my "Are you a guard?" question. Although I could make a guess at an answer.

What other effect would you intend hurling abuse at someone you don't know to have other than a breach of the peace?

K-9 · 05-04-2011 12:43PM

Buceph wrote: »

Are you a guard?

Because you are either ignorant of the Act or deliberately misinterpreting it to push a perceived authority. And a guard should be better than that. Could you quote the full sentence relating to the offence in Section 6? Rather than misleading people.

I don't think the problem is that they joked about rape. People do joke about rape. If it isn't hilariously funny it comes across in bad taste (and I do accept humour is subjective.)

The problem is that they joked about abusing their position of power. A large proportion of people who have been raped say it wasn't the actual sexual act that effected and continues to effect them. They say it was submissive aspect of being raped. The loss of control, and the rapist inflicting their will on them.

Similarly, it is widely held that rape isn't completely about a sexual act, it defines it, but in a lot of cases it isn't the motivation or the mens rea. The act is actually about dominance. And inflicting your will on someone, making them helpless.

That's what makes what the guards said so bad. They were joking about their dominance over a group of women referencing quite a heinous act. A group of women that they hold a position of power over. That they'd use their dominance to "shame" the women is disgusting.

Context is vital. Some still think they said it to the woman directly, in that context it's wrong and sackable.

In this context they were joking about charging her for not giving her name and deporting her, it's a "jokey" reference to throwing the book at her, nothing else. Do you actually think they meant that they'd threaten her directly with rape?

gosuckonalemon · 05-04-2011 12:43PM

Does anyone have any pictures of the women? The cops mentioned one lived down at the "krusty camp" so I'm not expecting much.

Bosco boy · 05-04-2011 12:44PM

mikom wrote: »

Read the post again, and don't stand in judgement over me.
Off duty it's up to themselves what they want to do moral or immoral, legal or illegal.
They spin the wheel, they take their chance............ in civvie uniform of course (plainclothes accepted).

so it is ok off duty, thanks for clearing that up, I'm just standing alongside you in judgement!

Ozzie · 05-04-2011 12:45PM

NOBODY WAS THREATENED!
NOBODY!

It was stupid and immature, but directed at NOBODY!

mikom · 05-04-2011 12:45PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

so it is ok off duty, thanks for clearing that up, I'm just standing alongside you in judgement!

They spin the wheel, they take their chance.
No judgement.

vinchick · 05-04-2011 12:46PM

The problem with this is how comments like this ripple and have knock on effects.

There is already a huge problem with the under reporting of rapes and one for he main reasons for this is that victims do not think that they will be taken seriously by the Gardai.This type of "banter" will only serve to re-enforce this idea and lead to victims of sexual violence continuing to keep the offence a secret.

So much work has been done to try and turn this around but throwaway stupid comments like this will undermine all of this and increase the worries of revictimisation amoung victims.

Kewreeuss · 05-04-2011 12:47PM

The fact that all of them use language that is unconducive to professional discourse is also very telling --- swearing while at work is unprofessional and is not tolerated in other countries. Their level of communication never rises above "uneducated", at best.

Oh dear, practically every workplace in the country would close down!

KittyeeTrix · 05-04-2011 12:48PM

opcowner2007 wrote: »

i never said i was angry at all i''m just saying ye are making an awful big deal out of what was obviously a joke. it wasn't a very good one but at the same time if gardai had to sit in the car or office all day and not have abit of a laugh amounst themselves than i can assure you this would be one horrible country to live in.

if this had not been recorded, it would never have been released, no one would care about it, no harm would have come to anyone and the guards would have had a laugh for 5 mins.

its a joke amongst 2 people. it just so happens that the 2 people were gardai. no difference from any other walk of life making the same joke. (unless they are actual rapists)

I don't think anyone would have any problems with 2 guards in a garda car sharing a joke but they joked about raping a woman!!!!

For crying out loud, why is this such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.............They are the 1st line of call for victims of rape and they were recorded making a JOKE ABOUT RAPE!!!:eek:

I know they were only joking and weren't actually going to rape the woman but it was extremely unprofessional and whilst I don't believe they should be sacked, flogged, shamed in the national media or lose their partners for it, I do believe they should be severly reprimanded and acknowledge that they acted inappropriately...

As for this joking to lighten a "horrific work environment", they were taking a woman down from a tractor, christ sake, she wasn't a drugged crazed axe wielding maniac...........

vinchick · 05-04-2011 12:49PM

Kewreeuss wrote: »

The fact that all of them use language that is unconducive to professional discourse is also very telling --- swearing while at work is unprofessional and is not tolerated in other countries. Their level of communication never rises above "uneducated", at best.

Oh dear, practically every workplace in the country would close down!

This isn't just any work place. This is the police, who are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in the State. It's not funny and it will only serve to undermine the confidence of service users in that vital service.

fedor.2. · 05-04-2011 12:49PM

I blame the camcorder for all of this

gosuckonalemon · 05-04-2011 12:50PM

vinchick wrote: »

The problem with this is how comments like this ripple and have knock on effects.

There is already a huge problem with the under reporting of rapes and one for he main reasons for this is that victims do not think that they will be taken seriously by the Gardai.This type of "banter" will only serve to re-enforce this idea and lead to victims of sexual violence continuing to keep the offence a secret.

So much work has been done to try and turn this around but throwaway stupid comments like this will undermine all of this and increase the worries of revictimisation amoung victims.

How would such banter have any impact on reporting of rapes?

One of the main reasons for under-reporting of rapes in Ireland is because very often the victim is so drunk they are not quite sure what actually happened.

If someone is raped they go to the cops. If they are not happy with how they are treated they can ask for asssistance from another cop.

fedor.2. · 05-04-2011 12:50PM

vinchick wrote: »

This isn't just any work place. This is the police, who are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in the State. It's not funny and it will only serve to undermine the confidence of service users in that vital service.

No it wont

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:50PM

k_mac wrote: »

What other effect would you intend hurling abuse at someone you don't know to have other than a breach of the peace?

To let off steam in a jokey way?

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:51PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

One of the main reasons for under-reporting of rapes in Ireland is because very often the victim is so drunk they are not quite sure what actually happened.

Any stats for this makey up BS?

If someone is raped they go to the cops. If they are not happy with how they are treated they can ask for asssistance from another cop.

Simple as that so

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 12:52PM

Dodge wrote: »

To let off steam in a jokey way?

Maybe they should take up tennis if they feel a need to let off steam.

gosuckonalemon · 05-04-2011 12:52PM

If Gardai are not allowed make jokes about rape as they are the people dealing with such cases should that mean it is completely unacceptable for them to make jokes about:
murder,
speeding,
drug dealers etc.?

Bosco boy · 05-04-2011 12:53PM

mikom wrote: »

They spin the wheel, they take their chance.
No judgement.

What are ya on about?

fedor.2. · 05-04-2011 12:53PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Maybe they should take up tennis if they feel a need to let off steam.

Why are you so anti-gardai? would they not let you join??

4zn76tysfajdxp · 05-04-2011 12:53PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Maybe they should take up tennis if they feel a need to let off steam.

What if they don't like tennis?

Dymo · 05-04-2011 12:53PM

I bet those gardai are thanking there lucky stars that they didin't say anything about there superiors, the whole conversation justs gives us an insight into how the garda puts in his day. The comment was uncalled for but they didn't think the whole country would have access to it.

Also I love how ironically they talk about how they were trained becoming gardai and how they were taught to do things properly.

Was the camera in a bag that they brought around with them, it was with them when they were having dinner.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 12:54PM

Kameron Bumpy Jail wrote: »

What if they don't like tennis?

Squash or badminton, who doesn't like a game of badminton?

KittyeeTrix · 05-04-2011 12:54PM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

How would such banter have any impact on reporting of rapes?

One of the main reasons for under-reporting of rapes in Ireland is because very often the victim is so drunk they are not quite sure what actually happened.

If someone is raped they go to the cops. If they are not happy with how they are treated they can ask for asssistance from another cop.

I know god forbid if anything ever happened to me I'd certainly wouldn't like to think that the same guard that I'm pouring my heart out to over a rape crime could then head off to his mates in the canteen and be able to laugh or joke about the issue of rape.................
I suppose it would not make me as confident that they would be totally in tune with the horrific experience of rape that they could joke about it...

I just think it's seriously dodgy that a guard could joke about this type of thing!

05-04-2011 12:54PM

Oi vey.

Is this what we've come down to? Gardai joking privately amongst themselves now being shown everywhere. Is there genuinely no privacy anymore?

mikom · 05-04-2011 12:55PM

Kameron Bumpy Jail wrote: »

What if they don't like tennis?

New balls please.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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