Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

stee.mc79 · 05-04-2011 12:13PM

Dodge wrote: »

Luckily, no one in my job jokes about raping anyone.

I'm afraid your wrong there, if you worked where I do joking is a daily occurrence, there's no harm ment it's just banter!

comeraghs · 05-04-2011 12:14PM

is it any worse than the hippy eejits from shell to sea calling all Gardai fascists & Nazis?

anybody calling for the Gardai involved to be punished would obviously support a case being taken against anti-shell members who say "inappropriate" things?

now ... what is tomorrows opportunity to be offended?

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:15PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

But these guys, in the context of their jobs, will cope, and humour is a primary way of coping.

Coping with moving a few protestors along? I'd hate to think about what they'd joke about if they were actually dealing with something other a 'yank' not giving them her name

My name is URL · 05-04-2011 12:15PM

Einhard wrote: »

I actually find the attempts by S2S and the democracy haters on Indymedia to use rape in an attempt to further their own agenda, equally as distasteful as the comments made by the Gardai.

Likewise the people on this thread turning it into a right-wing vs left-wing argument.

Luckily the people charged with investigating the matter will do so from a neutral POV

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 12:15PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Why would you assume that?
Why not just make your own mind up. The guard said "Give me your name and address or I'll rape you".
Are you ok with that kind of threat?
I know these guys joke around but that's not funny.

About as truthful as your claims in the Libya thread. Do you even read threads before commenting

Hookah wrote: »

Didn't Andy Gray just lose his job for doing the same thing?

Elbi wrote: »

I was just saying the same thing and IMO I didn't think it was half as bad as what the guards said.
Saying that I don't think the guards should lose their jobs and look they probably won't as it is another guard investigating it.

Didn't Andy ask a staff member to put their hands down his pants?

whiteonion wrote: »

PeakOutPut: I was not aware it's illegal to make jokes against the gardai. Can you please show me any evidence that it's in fact an arrestable offence?

Section 6 of the Public Order Act makes it an offence to use threatening abusive or insulting words or behaviour ina public place.

IQDENIED wrote: »

Rape Meaning and Definition
(n.) The act of seizing and carrying away by force; violent seizure; robbery.

(n.) One of six divisions of the county of Sussex, England, intermediate between a hundred and a shire.

(n.) Sexual connection with a woman without her consent. See Age of consent, under Consent, n.

(n.) A name given to a variety or to varieties of a plant of the turnip kind, grown for seeds and herbage. The seeds are used for the production of rape oil, and to a limited extent for the food of cage birds.

(v. t.) To commit rape upon; to ravish.

(n.) A filter containing the above refuse, used in clarifying and perfecting malt, vinegar, etc.

(n.) The refuse stems and skins of grapes or raisins from which the must has been expressed in wine making.

(n.) Fruit, as grapes, plucked from the cluster.

(n.) That which is snatched away.

(v. i.) To rob; to pillage.

(n.) Movement, as in snatching; haste; hurry.

Go back to school?

And I bet you think Atari Jaguar is a computer. The meaning of words change faster than the dictionary is updated. I suggest you watch the South Park epsiode about the word "fag".

Dodge wrote: »

Luckily, no one in my job jokes about raping anyone.

Is there much rape in your job to talk about?

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:16PM

stee.mc79 wrote: »

I'm afraid your wrong there, if you worked where I do joking is a daily occurrence, there's no harm ment it's just banter!

I repeat. No one in my job jokes about raping someone. And yes, I'd be disgusted if they did

Joking about raping a woman, isn't "banter"

The Waltzing Consumer · 05-04-2011 12:18PM

Dodge wrote: »

Coping with moving a few protestors along? I'd hate to think about what they'd joke about if they were actually dealing with something other a 'yank' not giving them her name

I am not sure why you are ignoring the overall point. You seem to be just wanting to be offended. Have you had a job? Did you ever joke about the job in a bad light whether about a customer or goods or whatever? Did you demand you get fired then?

Bosco boy · 05-04-2011 12:18PM

mikom wrote: »

Ring 097 81038 and ask them.

I'm asking you! Unless of course your going to answer that number!

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Storm in a tea cup. While I agree they are idiots and it was a joke in very bad taste, they would never have behaved like this in front of the women arrested. This was just a stupid private conversation. Believe me, Lads talk like this all the time. Fact.

And I'd bet if these Gardai were interviewing a rape victim, like people are saying here, they would behave in a professional and sympathetic manner.

They behaved unprofessionally, they should be fired.
I would be fired if I said the same things at my work, if there is no leniency for me if I screw up there should be no leniency for them either.

FIRE THEM, put their faces out in the national newspaper so that everyone can see what kind of pigs they are.

The Waltzing Consumer · 05-04-2011 12:22PM

whiteonion wrote: »

They behaved unprofessionally, they should be fired.
I would be fired if I said the same things at my work, if there is no leniency for me if I screw up there should be no leniency for them either.

FIRE THEM, put their faces out in the national newspaper so that everyone can see what kind of pigs they are.

Said from the highest horse in the land!

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:23PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I am not sure why you are ignoring the overall point. You seem to be just wanting to be offended. Have you had a job? Did you ever joke about the job in a bad light whether about a customer or goods or whatever? Did you demand you get fired then?

And you're missing my point. I've no probelms with Gardai making jokes.

I've problems with ANYBODY who makes a joke about raping a woman, as its not even remotely close to a laughing matter. Do you think people working in the Rape Crisis Centre make jokes about the women who come in to them? (and going by your logic they'd surely be "allowed" joke about it more?)

_feedback_ · 05-04-2011 12:23PM

whiteonion wrote: »

They behaved unprofessionally, they should be fired.
I would be fired if I said the same things at my work, if there is no leniency for me if I screw up there should be no leniency for them either.

FIRE THEM, put their faces out in the national newspaper so that everyone can see what kind of pigs they are.

That post genuinely makes me feel bad, it's just a tiny look in to the way we are going.

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 12:24PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Said from the highest horse in the land!

Unlike you I don't tolerate, corrupt or unprofessional behaviour. They would not tolerate things like that in normal countries but this in Ireland and no one has to take personal responsibility for anything. :mad:

_DMac_ · 05-04-2011 12:25PM

should ye not all be at work instead of talking sh!te about something ye haven't got a clue about?

if ye spent more time doing something constructive instead of wasting ye're day getting in a flap that has noting to do with ye then i'm sure ye would see that there is more to life than making mountains out of molehills!!!

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 12:26PM

opcowner2007 wrote: »

should ye not all be at work instead of talking sh!te about something ye haven't got a clue about?

if ye spent more time doing something constructive instead of wasting ye're day getting in a flap that has noting to do with ye then i'm sure ye would see that there is more to life than making mountains out of molehills!!!

I have a few days holiday.

_DMac_ · 05-04-2011 12:27PM

whiteonion wrote: »

I have a few days holiday.

well played...

mikom · 05-04-2011 12:28PM

Bosco boy wrote: »

Do you have to be on duty to have morals?

I'll put it this way then.....
I would expect on someone on the states duty to follow the moral code of the state whilst in the uniform of the state.
What they do in their own time, can, if they wish be guided by their own moral compass, but the "law" may not correspond to their off duty morals.

Since I am not on the states duty I myself am continually guided by my own moral compass.

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:28PM

opcowner2007 wrote: »

should ye not all be at work instead of talking sh!te about something ye haven't got a clue about?

if ye spent more time doing something constructive instead of wasting ye're day getting in a flap that has noting to do with ye then i'm sure ye would see that there is more to life than making mountains out of molehills!!!

So you’re angry about people debating stuff on the internet while at work, but people joking about rape at work is OK?

znv6i3h7kqf9ys · 05-04-2011 12:29PM

If a Garda heard a member of the public saying those things it would be investigated so what is the difference here. You can say it was a joke in poor taste but the Gardai are not famous four their GSOH.

The Waltzing Consumer · 05-04-2011 12:29PM

Dodge wrote: »

And you're missing my point. I've no probelms with Gardai making jokes.

I've problems with ANYBODY who makes a joke about raping a woman, as its not even remotely close to a laughing matter. Do you think people working in the Rape Crisis Centre make jokes about the women who come in to them? (and going by your logic they'd surely be "allowed" joke about it more?)

Fine. That is your opinion. But jokes and being offended is subjective. So you are okay with some jokes but not others? What if someone else has a different point of view and something you don't mind as a joke, they do and then they demand they are fired for that?

Buceph · 05-04-2011 12:29PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I am guessing that Gardai, when dealing with all types of crime on a daily basis, do what everyone else does, joke about their jobs and the subject as a way of coping. I much prefer they deal with the horrific crimes they encounter with private jokes then going to the bottle to cope with it.

I remember reading this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3159813.stm

It was about doctors slang and many of the comments are pretty rude if you overhear them as a patient. But these guys, in the context of their jobs, will cope, and humour is a primary way of coping.

Do you honestly believe there was a situation there that caused tension relating to an occasion of rape? Like I've said before, gallows humour actually needs a gallows to qualify. There was no circumstance relating to rape, it was a complete non-sequiter in relation to their conversation and what I judge to be their motivations in conversation. And as such shouldn't be interpreted as human reaction but rather simple misbehaviour and a lack of common decency.

k_mac wrote: »

Section 6 of the Public Order Act makes it an offence to use threatening abusive or insulting words or behaviour ina public place.

Are you a guard?

Because you are either ignorant of the Act or deliberately misinterpreting it to push a perceived authority. And a guard should be better than that. Could you quote the full sentence relating to the offence in Section 6? Rather than misleading people.

I don't think the problem is that they joked about rape. People do joke about rape. If it isn't hilariously funny it comes across in bad taste (and I do accept humour is subjective.)

The problem is that they joked about abusing their position of power. A large proportion of people who have been raped say it wasn't the actual sexual act that effected and continues to effect them. They say it was submissive aspect of being raped. The loss of control, and the rapist inflicting their will on them.

Similarly, it is widely held that rape isn't completely about a sexual act, it defines it, but in a lot of cases it isn't the motivation or the mens rea. The act is actually about dominance. And inflicting your will on someone, making them helpless.

That's what makes what the guards said so bad. They were joking about their dominance over a group of women referencing quite a heinous act. A group of women that they hold a position of power over. That they'd use their dominance to "shame" the women is disgusting.

stee.mc79 · 05-04-2011 12:29PM

Dodge wrote: »

I repeat. No one in my job jokes about raping someone. And yes, I'd be disgusted if they did

Joking about raping a woman, isn't "banter"

Did you read the transcript earlier in the tread, where they were discussing the ways to remove them safely! If they meant harm they wouldn't discuss ways not to harm protesters or themselves! they ment no foul. Also I'm sure youve never said anything unPC.

prinz · 05-04-2011 12:30PM

whiteonion wrote: »

Unlike you I don't tolerate, corrupt or unprofessional behaviour. They would not tolerate things like that in normal countries but this in Ireland and no one has to take personal responsibility for anything. :mad:

I was in a shop recently and the woman at the check-outs kept a conversation going throughout her dealings with me with a colleague about how drunk they were the night before. Unprofessional yes. Do I want her sacked and her picture in the paper, no. Could a quiet word from management not to do it again be sufficient. Of course it would be.

05-04-2011 12:30PM

Completely unprofessional.

They let themselves, the uniform and the country down.

Bosco boy · 05-04-2011 12:32PM

mikom wrote: »

I'll put it this way then.....
I would expect on someone on the states duty to follow the moral code of the state whilst in the uniform of the state.
What they do in their own time, can, if they wish be guided by their own moral compass, but the "law" may not correspond to their off duty morals.

Since I am not on the states duty I myself am continually guided by my own moral compass.

So if they said it while off duty it would be fine with you! Your moral compass is working well!

Duggy747 · 05-04-2011 12:32PM

From around Facebook:

scumbags...

After about 30 mins, listen to the country music playing. Its like Hicksville.

bastards

Why are the IRA wasting good explosives killing PSNI officers , why are they not blowing up the scumbag guards in the south. fùcking inbred Hurley swinging cùnts

^^^ 4 people liked that fùckin' ignorant comment

i wonder has this or will this make the mainstream news. this makes me sick to my stomach! these scumbags are ment to protect us. not threaten to rape anyone who stands up for something they beleive in. hope the bastards die a slow and painful death!

^^^ 3 people liked this delightful comment

There probably having a cup of yea some where Sandra laughing there heads off knowing that not a lot will be done!!If it was my sister mother or daughter that it was said to even in jest i would be out for blood!!If there not sacked minimum then there really is not juistice in this banana rebublic!!!

clearly these binge drinking rednecks are blind to the actual issues surrounding the shell campaign. very disturbing, but expected from redneck Gardaip

*sigh*

they knew wat d were doing if ya listen d womens nerves were gone about leaving er friend with d other gaurd so threatening t rape er d were head ****in with er animals is 2 good a wrd 4 dem d sould be sacked n charged with threatening and abusive behaviour scumbags if it was some1 threatin t rape a coppers daughter i garuntee it wud a been front page news country is run by a pack a **** from d top dwn

For the love of.......

You see they have the ultimate get out of jail card, they are probably GAA members

I'm actually more shocked at the fùckin' reaction of people. High and mighty dickheads some are making themselves out to be.

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 12:32PM

prinz wrote: »

I was in a shop recently and the woman at the check-outs kept a conversation going throughout her dealings with me with a colleague about how drunk they were the night before. Unprofessional yes. Do I want her sacked and her picture in the paper, no. Could a quiet word from management not to do it again be sufficient. Of course it would be.

I would fire someone for coming in to work hungover, I have never been hungover at work myself. That is totally unacceptable.

Dodge · 05-04-2011 12:33PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Fine. That is your opinion. But jokes and being offended is subjective. So you are okay with some jokes but not others? What if someone else has a different point of view and something you don't mind as a joke, they do and then they demand they are fired for that?

Then fair enough. They can think that, and demand it happens. I'd like to think that some things are obviously out of bounds, but if someone is offended by anything, then they should let people know. If that results in me being sacked, then so be it. My fault for not making sure it was OK to do.

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 12:34PM

Buceph wrote: »

Because you are either ignorant of the Act or deliberately misinterpreting it to push a perceived authority. And a guard should be better than that. Could you quote the full sentence relating to the offence in Section 6? Rather than misleading people.

6.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person in a public place to use or engage in any threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace or being reckless as to whether a breach of the peace may be occasioned.

_DMac_ · 05-04-2011 12:34PM

Dodge wrote: »

So you’re angry about people debating stuff on the internet while at work, but people joking about rape at work is OK?

i never said i was angry at all i''m just saying ye are making an awful big deal out of what was obviously a joke. it wasn't a very good one but at the same time if gardai had to sit in the car or office all day and not have abit of a laugh amounst themselves than i can assure you this would be one horrible country to live in.

if this had not been recorded, it would never have been released, no one would care about it, no harm would have come to anyone and the guards would have had a laugh for 5 mins.

its a joke amongst 2 people. it just so happens that the 2 people were gardai. no difference from any other walk of life making the same joke. (unless they are actual rapists)

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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