Rehabgroup CEO retains salary of half a million

The Volt · 05-04-2011 9:56am #1

Anyone feel that the estimated €500,000 per year that it was reported (Phoenix, Sunday Times and Irish Times) that Angela Kerins earns as CEO of the Rehabgroup is completely unjustifiable at this time?

This is at a time when Rehabgroup workers have had to endure cut backs, withdrawing of Christmas bonus, redundancy, reduced hours, pension contributions, and reduced travel and expenses. Also, allowances have been cut for Learners with disabilities on FAS funded courses and ratios have been increased between Instructors and Learners on HSE funded courses thereby, reducing the quality of service to these people with disabilities.

There's no end to this :mad:

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 10:08am

I never give money to charity because of crap like this. I will never ever give any money to any charities so I can contribute to some assholes inflated salary.

sollar · 05-04-2011 1:01pm

Its a ridiculous sum of money for that job.

Seth Brundle · 05-04-2011 9:06pm

Given that in 2010 it was reported that we gave the Rehab Group €54.4m, I think we should have some form of say in whether the CEOs salary is over the top!

madra dubh · 07-04-2011 8:23pm

What is worse.... Bear in mind how much time she spends serving on various boards her actual pro rata salary must be nearer the million

Seth Brundle · 07-04-2011 8:26pm

Buy the latest Phoenix (or stand ion the shop and read page 3)!!!

madra dubh · 07-04-2011 8:30pm

Heard there was something in it. what is the gist.
Can she stay on?

Seth Brundle · 07-04-2011 8:38pm

Something about Rehab being able to import coffins from China for €150 max but instead they go for a deal where they cost €400 and are imported by her husband & brother's company.

I'm just after seeing that it was reported in part elsewhere about a week ago:

Rehab has also defended its decision to award a contract for the supply of materials from a company whose directors included Ms Kerins’s husband, Seán Kerins, and her brother, Joseph Mac Carthy. Complete Eco Solutions imports timber panels from China which are then used by Rehab staff to assemble into coffins.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0329/1224293300178.html

madra dubh · 07-04-2011 8:54pm

I would say that is the last nail in the coffin for her....... sorry couldn't resist it!!!

wow sierra · 08-04-2011 12:07am

Is there no end to this sh*t:mad::mad:I used to fundraise for them years ago and felt really guilty for having to give it up because I felt it was such a good cause.

The salary is disgusting enough without having to give contracts to her mate too. How do people like her sleep at night????

silverharp · 08-04-2011 7:42am

it seems like their CEO thinks "not for profit" doesnt apply to her! , nobody in that organisation should be on more then €150K as it is not really a commercial company. basically it provides front line services on behalf of the state, but clearily their CEO uses the organisation to further her own personal ambitions also reading some of the articles about her it looks like Rehab is just a part time job for her.
It seems like the quango sector should be shook up a bit.

Godge · 08-04-2011 12:56pm

I have been very wary about giving to organised Irish charities for quite a while. For example, I would donate locally to St. Vincent de Paul, to local schools, local sports clubs etc. because I generally have a good idea of of can find out what the money is spent on.

I do not get involved in donating centrally to any of the bigger charities because there is no clarity or transparency about where the money goes. While you know in general what the charity is about, you do not know how or where the money spent on administration goes. Suspicious is the wrong word, but nervous that my money might be spent on people lobbying the Government or something rather than going directly to those in need.

Cookie_Monster · 08-04-2011 1:03pm

Rehab has also defended its decision to award a contract for the supply of materials from a company whose directors included Ms Kerins’s husband, Seán Kerins, and her brother, Joseph Mac Carthy.

To me, something like that would necessitate a full investigation and audit into the entire company. Transactions like that are unforgivable without extraordinarily good reasons backing them up and is probably symptomatic of much more dodgy dealings designed to benefit others more than the company.

Fulton Crown · 08-04-2011 10:00pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

To me, something like that would necessitate a full investigation and audit into the entire company. Transactions like that are unforgivable without extraordinarily good reasons backing them up and is probably symptomatic of much more dodgy dealings designed to benefit others more than the company.

+ ! here pal....sommat not quite right here this poster would opine.

Might be interesting to look at Management salaries in this place....usually they have some relation to CEO package.

One thing sure none of The Crown shekels will go anywhere this organisation until this highly questionable behaviour is cllarified,

Who do they think they are ?......Fine gael TD,S ?

madra dubh · 08-04-2011 10:47pm

As far as I know the company is split into different branches, each branch has its directors, assistant directors, managers etc. Apparently the directors are earning 150k each + bonuses

MASTER...of the bra · 09-04-2011 12:38am

madra dubh wrote: »

As far as I know the company is split into different branches, each branch has its directors, assistant directors, managers etc. Apparently the directors are earning 150k each + bonuses

If this is true it'll put a fairly big hole into the 54million they got last year before they do any "good", all these charities are the same.

Fulton Crown · 09-04-2011 9:52am

madra dubh wrote: »

As far as I know the company is split into different branches, each branch has its directors, assistant directors, managers etc. Apparently the directors are earning 150k each + bonuses

Ah !

Thought as much....pattern in these orgs is very similiar and predictable.

Put in place a weak tame Board -party hacks are a good source of "talent".

Appoint a CEO...who if any good recognises above and get the snout firmly in the trough.

Allow selected other piggies to nuzzell the ends of the trough...so if the big bad wolf comes calling there is more than one piggie with his / her rear in the bacon sclicer.

Salaries of course are taxable and fairly public......a greater interest would be in the expense regime and controls - this is where the real fat on the rasher is.

The fas boys copped this on.....

Not forgetting the holiday entitlements.........of course.

This one could have legs...................

Fulton Crown · 09-04-2011 9:54am

MASTER...of the bra wrote: »

If this is true it'll put a fairly big hole into the 54million they got last year before they do any "good", all these charities are the same.

Indeed my friend !

The Crown has been pointing this up fer some time

Coriolanus · 09-04-2011 10:00am

Any organization that recieves money from the state should be statutorily obliged to file full public accounts. This really shouldn't have required a leak to a paper to come to light≤≥

expectationlost · 09-04-2011 4:29pm

rehab just got a huge uk contract for job training, a lot of the job training deals in the IE and UK are atrocious wastes of time i wonder will their training be any better ?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0402/1224293650067.html

why do they get so much gov money?

is the rehab group are very own big society, using non-profits to privatise services and given them huge government contracts

Essexboy · 10-04-2011 4:25pm

Angela Kerins is one of the group of 17 who produced the so-called "blueprint for Irish recovery".

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Blueprint-for-Irelands-recovery-presented-by-group-of-17-experts-118070689.html

All with their snouts in the trough urging that social welfare and public spending be slashed, most associated with low standards of corporate governance.

anymore · 14-04-2011 2:48pm

expectationlost wrote: »

rehab just got a huge uk contract for job training, a lot of the job training deals in the IE and UK are atrocious wastes of time i wonder will their training be any better ?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0402/1224293650067.html

why do they get so much gov money?

is the rehab group are very own big society, using non-profits to privatise services and given them huge government contracts

" Rehab Group chief executive Angela Kerins said Rehab, which holds a 51 per cent stake in the deal, has “a strong track record over 60 years in supporting people to achieve the skills they need”."
Hmmm, with that track record and unemployment of over 400,000 here I would have thought they would be foussing their skills here ?

madra dubh · 14-04-2011 7:53pm

Rather than focusing their skills here I heard TBG which is part of Rehab focusing on unemployment training is in fact being fased down in Ireland

Boskowski · 14-04-2011 8:06pm

Its a complete insane amount of money at the best of times.

Whenever I see these salaries of semi state boards heads or charity organizations ceos or even things like the FAI head or our politicians themselves it reeks of either delusions of grandeur or simply total pisstake.

I mean what is it about 'positions' in this country? Ireland was for most of her history - with all due respect - piss poor. This was briefly interrupted by some 10 year frenzy which wasn't actually real but just latched onto the 'credit card'. But yet every buffoon in this country with a 'title' and a 'position' seems to be earning moneys as if we're fkn Saudi-Arabia or Switzerland or something.

I really lack the words to describe what I feel about the disparity between this kind of stuff and reality.

anymore · 14-04-2011 9:56pm

Essexboy wrote: »

Angela Kerins is one of the group of 17 who produced the so-called "blueprint for Irish recovery".

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Blueprint-for-Irelands-recovery-presented-by-group-of-17-experts-118070689.html

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" Co-authors of the report include prominent conservatives Michael Berkery, the former chief executive of the Irish Farmers’ Association; the former Taoiseach (Prime Minister) John Bruton; former European Parliament president Pat Cox and Fine Gael strategist Frank Flannery "
Is this the same John Bruton who was Taoiseach at the time Lowry pushed through the deal for the phones ? And, pray tell, what does the former chief executive of the IFA, representing an ' industry', ie farming, which has been massively subsidised ever since we joined the EU know about creatinga dynamic industry ? And of course there us simetimes lobbyist for Microsoft and other multnationals, Pat Cox ? When he gets up in the morning, it must be confusing for him deciding which particular hat to wear ?

anymore · 23-04-2011 1:30pm

Phoenix again returns to the subject of Angela Kerins salary ( April 22)_after what the article writer says were comments from Rehab's Chairman over " seriously wild, innacurate and unfair speculation in the media" about Kerin's salary. So Phoenix has calculated roughly that Kerin's salary plus bonus,plus pension contribution brings her salary to € 370,000 approx. Then there is the car package which the magazine puts at €25,000 to bring their calaculated remuneration total to circa € 410,000 in the 2009 period.
Then there is the expenses which the Exec enjoys which the magazine thinks is in the region of € 25,000 - minimum wage earners eat your heart out ! The magazine points out that Rehab staff had being receiving a christmas bonus of one weeks wages but this was stopped in mid Dec 2008. Kerins, the magazine points out did receive her bonus of € 70,000 in 2009 .
Rehab of course could end any unfair specualtion about executive remineration, by simply saying what it was !

expectationlost · 23-04-2011 5:25pm

her salary is "less then 260,000" to quote the times, ie more then 250,000

anymore · 23-04-2011 6:04pm

No, to use the terminology that would be used in company accounts, her remuneration package for 2009,if Phoenix is correct, is on the order of € 400,000.

Fulton Crown · 25-04-2011 9:25pm

anymore wrote: »

No, to use the terminology that would be used in company accounts, her remuneration package for 2009,if Phoenix is correct, is on the order of € 400,000.

Look!

fair play to Phoenix for highlighting this type of thing......as a previous poster said Rehab Board could end all the inaccurate speculation by revealing the complete management salary structure bonus and expense system.

If the figures are anywhere near the mark ...there is a lot of questions for the Rehab board to answer....who are these people anyways ?

There is a real smell about this one...........

nuac · 26-04-2011 10:09am

Re ReHab CEO - this lady vastly overpaid by any reckoning.

anymore · 26-04-2011 5:11pm

expectationlost wrote: »

rehab just got a huge uk contract for job training, a lot of the job training deals in the IE and UK are atrocious wastes of time i wonder will their training be any better ?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0402/1224293650067.html

why do they get so much gov money?

is the rehab group are very own big society, using non-profits to privatise services and given them huge government contracts

A question that occurs to me is that as rehab are a registered charity and receive substantial government funding, then is it not against EU competion laws to have them competing with commercial companies for Government contracts ?

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 7:30am

whiteonion wrote: »

I never give money to charity because of crap like this. I will never ever give any money to any charities so I can contribute to some assholes inflated salary.

Because of course every charity is the same.

I'm curious - what would be a reasonable salary for the CEO of an Irish charity?

greenman09 · 27-04-2011 7:35am

I was witness to a badly needed service they closed last year fir autistic kids that required one to one attention. They cited lack of funding!!! 12 ppl lost there jibs incl my OH and the kids lost a much needed service and <snip> is living on salary like this. A major overhaul required indeed

donaghs · 27-04-2011 8:17am

djpbarry wrote: »

Because of course every charity is the same.

I'm curious - what would be a reasonable salary for the CEO of an Irish charity?

Seeing as Brian Lenihan wanted a cap of €250,000 on semi-state salaries. That's a good starting point, and shows how obscene the Rehab CEO salary is. But its still a "charity", I'd be looking at a figure closer to a cap of €100,000. Plenty of talented people would want to do some good for that sort of money.

And recent experience shows, higher salaries doesn't means better quality management.

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 8:23am

donaghs wrote: »

But its still a "charity", I'd be looking at a figure closer to a cap of €100,000. Plenty of talented people would want to do some good for that sort of money.

But it’s not just about “doing good”, it’s about doing a good job and providing value for money. And that’s overlooking the fact that you won’t get a CEO of any kind of decent-sized organisation for €100k.

donaghs · 27-04-2011 8:28am

djpbarry wrote: »

But it’s not just about “doing good”, it’s about doing a good job and providing value for money. And that’s overlooking the fact that you won’t get a CEO of any kind of decent-sized organisation for €100k.

I'd like to see this postulate tested.

thomasj · 27-04-2011 8:39am

djpbarry wrote: »

But it’s not just about “doing good”, it’s about doing a good job and providing value for money. And that’s overlooking the fact that you won’t get a CEO of any kind of decent-sized organisation for €100k.

but it does raise a question, does a charity need a ceo?

And if rehab (or any other registered) charity was collecting money or direct debit, would you feel uneasy (or even reluctant) if revelations of senior managers/directors pay was to surface and was too high?

bijapos · 27-04-2011 8:45am

djpbarry wrote: »

But it’s not just about “doing good”, it’s about doing a good job and providing value for money. And that’s overlooking the fact that you won’t get a CEO of any kind of decent-sized organisation for €100k.

I agree with you that its about doing a good job and not just doing good, but a total package including bonuses of €150,000 will get you a top CEO. Its an organisation with an eight figure budget, its not Microsoft or BMW we're talking about here. €400k + is madness.

thomasj: Any organisation with a budget like that of Rehab needs a good manager/CEO, there is no doubt about that.

Having said that Fergus Finlay for all his appearances on radio and TV is also very shy about telling us the size of his renumeration package as CEO of Barnardos.

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 8:57am

donaghs wrote: »

I'd like to see this postulate tested.

Off you go and test it then. Rehab has about 3,600 staff – find a CEO a of similar-sized organisation on €100k or less.

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 8:57am

thomasj wrote: »

but it does raise a question, does a charity need a ceo?

Does any organisation need a CEO? Why should a charity/non-profit organisation be considered different?

thomasj wrote: »

And if rehab (or any other registered) charity was collecting money or direct debit, would you feel uneasy (or even reluctant) if revelations of senior managers/directors pay was to surface and was too high?

Of course. I should point out that I’m not defending Rehab in this case – I don’t know enough about the situation to form an opinion one way or another (although €500k seems high).

donaghs · 27-04-2011 9:49am

djpbarry wrote: »

Off you go and test it then. Rehab has about 3,600 staff – find a CEO a of similar-sized organisation on €100k or less.

I'm sorry, but that's a pointlessly snide remark.:o You already know that its incredibly unlikely that I'm in the position to choose the next heads of some similarly sized charities.

You might also say its pointless for us to be discussing this, but I disagree as the whole idea of such a forum/boards is to be discussing these topics. But as mentioned earlier, I dont have the power to find a new Rehab CEO at a lower price.

I think my ealier post still is valid though. when the head of Rehab retires/is sacked they could simply put an add in the Appointments section of the papers looking for a new CEO, salary €100,000 plus benefits. This would test the postulate very well.

anymore · 27-04-2011 9:55am

Have a look at the lady's cv - from the Rehab .http://www.rehab.ie/press/article.aspx?id=155
Chairperson, National Disability Authority, the lead State body on disability policy and practice in Ireland

- Chairperson, Disability Legislation Consultation Group. The DLCG was established by Government to advise on core elements of disability legislation in Ireland. Its members represent over 500 disability organisations.
- Member of the Department of Foreign Affairs / NGO Joint Committee on Human Rights
- Member of the National Executive of the Irish Business Employers Confederation (IBEC)
- Board Member, Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI). The BCI is the state body charged with overseeing broadcasting legislation and policy in Ireland.
- Board Member, European Platform for Rehabilitation. EPR is a European Network of disability service providers. - Member of the Advisory Committee of ComReg. ComReg, the Communications Regulator is the national regulatory authority with responsibility for the regulation of the electronic communications sector and the postal sector in Ireland.

What I cant find there is information that she has managed any other large commercial organisation and thus has acquired the range and depth of experience that might justify a rumeration in the region of € 400,000 that Phoenix has calculated she was paid in 2009. Nor do I see that she has any accountancy qualifications or has done a masters in business that we might expect to see on the CV of a € 400,00 executive.
Nor does this organisation operate in a competitive commercial market.

anymore · 27-04-2011 10:02am

djpbarry wrote: »

Off you go and test it then. Rehab has about 3,600 staff – find a CEO a of similar-sized organisation on €100k or less.

I suspect that you might find some young talented, ambitous, executive willing to put in a few years running an organisation of this size to acquire both the experience and status that would come from running an organisation of this size. Take a look at the number of organisations that this lady is invloved in outside of her hours with Rehab; how ardous is her job with Rehab if it allows for this kind of extra curricular activity ? I suspect the reality is that much of the actual management of Rehab is done by the managers of the different Rehab divisions and not by its CEO.

anymore · 27-04-2011 10:13am

You can study the list of salaries of charity CEO.s published by the Guardian.:
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html

donaghs · 27-04-2011 10:45am

anymore wrote: »

You can study the list of salaries of charity CEO.s published by the Guardian.:
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html

Nice one Anymore. This figures (even adjusted for Sterling) show a great comparison. And show up the nonsense of someone is a smaller Irish charity getting between a quarter and half a million euros.

e.g. "Unicef David Bull 68,625 64,050 7.1 34.6 1.98"

That pretty much closes the book on the Rehab CEO pay scandal.

Laminations · 27-04-2011 11:04am

djpbarry wrote: »

But it’s not just about “doing good”, it’s about doing a good job and providing value for money. And that’s overlooking the fact that you won’t get a CEO of any kind of decent-sized organisation for €100k.

donaghs wrote: »

I'd like to see this postulate tested.

djpbarry wrote: »

Off you go and test it then. Rehab has about 3,600 staff – find a CEO a of similar-sized organisation on €100k or less.

Ouch! I'd imagine it's expected that you actually research your position so you can provide support for it yourself, rather than adversarily challenging others to prove you wrong. Howandever a cursory glance at the following seems to prove you completely wrong

anymore wrote: »

You can study the list of salaries of charity CEO.s published by the Guardian.:
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html

So, care to revise your position or back it up with evidence? You'll be pushed to get more relevant data than that of the salaries of the heads of other charities.

A little research could've saved a most incorrect post

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 11:51am

donaghs wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's a pointlessly snide remark.:o You already know that its incredibly unlikely that I'm in the position to choose the next heads of some similarly sized charities.

I’m not asking you to do any such thing. I’m asking you to point to a CEO based in Ireland at the head of an organisation similar in size to Rehab who is being paid €100k or less. I very much doubt you will be able to do so.

djpbarry · 27-04-2011 11:52am

Laminations wrote: »

So, care to revise your position or back it up with evidence? You'll be pushed to get more relevant data than that of the salaries of the heads of other charities.

I think some data on CEO’s in Ireland would probably be more relevant. For example, in 2006, the MD of a Dublin-based organisation with a turnover in excess of €10 million could expect to command a salary in the region of €150-240k:
http://www.irishjobs.ie/ForumWW/SalarySurvey.aspx?SalarySurveyID=243&BannorID=&BZoneID=0&ParentID=75&CID=16

Considering that Rehab have a turnover of about €200 million annually and salaries have certainly not fallen below 2006 levels, I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone would be prepared to take on the position of CEO for €100k or less.

Fulton Crown · 27-04-2011 9:50pm

You probably would not get anyone worthwhile for less than 150k...but that is a hell of a lot less than the reported €400,000 this person is being paid.

I say again ...time to look at the senior management remuneration structure of this organisation......I find it strange that the board do not end speculation by coming clean on this.

Hopefully they have nothing to hide .......

donaghs · 05-11-2012 3:08pm

Back in the news again:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/audidriving-charity-chief-executive-on-a-salary-of-234000-3282210.html

walshb · 05-11-2012 4:33pm

wow sierra wrote: »

How do people like her sleep at night????

With 500k per year, like a baby!

Rehabgroup CEO retains salary of half a million

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