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  • #332
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Now if you will please answer my question quoted above?

    Did you ever give me the evidence, on this thread, you claimed was in great supply? No, as I recall you threw your toys out of the pram when I pointed out you were wrong.

    You're really one of the last people who should be making such demands.


  • #333
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭RichieC


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Did you ever give me the evidence, on this thread, you claimed was in great supply? No, as I recall you threw your toys out of the pram when I pointed out you were wrong.

    You're really one of the last people who should be making such demands.

    You play by parties rules and definitions and you'll dam well like it. :pac:


  • #334
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Not you again...
    twinQuins wrote: »
    Did you ever give me the evidence, on this thread, you claimed was in great supply?
    It's not my fault that you're not acquainted with the search function and/or lacked sufficient experience with the typical postings of AH. I do not see the relevance of that thread to this. Do you have a point to make with regard to this thread or are you just having a go at me? Personally, I think the latter.
    No, as I recall you threw your toys out of the pram when I pointed out you were wrong.
    No, as I recall, you lacked sufficient experience with religious threads in AH and seemed incapable of using the search function. You never pointed out that I was wrong. You just kept coming back typing up the same "No I can't be bothered searching" BS.

    You're really one of the last people who should be making such demands.
    If you've got a problem with me put me on ignore. I do not want to have someone following me around from thread to thread, least of all you.


  • #335
    Zane Breezy Pebble
    Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Zane Breezy Pebble


    I'm just watching a documentary on Islamists in the UK. It's insane that the response to their burning our flag on the anniversary of 9/11 was nothing more than a few newspapers columnists expressing their anger. I didn't hear of one single English person seeking out the nearest Muslim and beheading them. The extremists Muslims are just so hypocritical, it's almost funny. It really is one rule for them and another for everyone else.


  • #336
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Not you again...

    Again? Is this about that, rather spurious, accusation you made on another thread that I was following you?

    My, we're certainly full of ourselves, aren't we.
    It's not my fault that you're not acquainted with the search function and/or lacked sufficient experience with the typical postings of AH. I do not see the relevance of that thread to this. Do you have a point to make with regard to this thread or are you just having a go at me? Personally, I think the latter.
    My point is the onus was on you to provide the evidence no matter what rhetorical shenanigans you try to pull.

    You threw a strop and were unwilling to furnish said evidence now you're asking a poster to answer your question. You don't see the irony in that?
    No, as I recall, you lacked sufficient experience with religious threads in AH and seemed incapable of using the search function. You never pointed out that I was wrong. You just kept coming back typing up the same "No I can't be bothered searching" BS.
    No, I said the burden of proof was on you, which it was. You then made some snide insinuations about me and my contributions.

    Pointing out you being wrong was in your insistence that I should prove your point when I demonstrated how this works.
    Do you want me to fetch the link explaining what burden of proof means, again? Because it seems you still haven't grasped the extraordinarily simple concept.
    If you've got a problem with me put me on ignore. I do not want to have someone following me around from thread to thread, least of all you.
    And again with the "following me"! Seriously, I posted to one other thread after that one by SeaSlacker and my previous post has been the only time since that I've engaged with you.

    Less of the hyperbole, please.


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  • #337
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Persistent fellow, aren't you?

    Well seeing as I've torn apart your case for Islamic exceptionalism, I thought I'd hang around and see what else I could shoot down. Bit easier than solitaire when you're tired.
    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    You wait for a few posts to be made so that my question to you is sent back to the previous pages and then you bounce back to continue your smug little condescending diatribe unabated. Now if you will please answer my question quoted above?

    (Ahhh, look. The red herring. Will he try to make a huge issue out of this now he's been caught out, I wonder.....)

    Given whats gone on in this country and others, its not entirely an undeserved stereotype.

    Now I've an answered your question, its only fair you in turn reply to mine......

    You aimed this at RichieC
    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why are you defending the Muslim extremists?

    Where did he do so? Quote and link please.


  • #338
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Again? Is this about that, rather spurious, accusation you made on another thread that I was following you?

    My, we're certainly full of ourselves, aren't we.
    Explain what you are doing here dragging up an old thread? If it is not to personally attack me then what is your purpose?
    You threw a strop and were unwilling to furnish said evidence now you're asking a poster to answer your question. You don't see the irony in that?
    You don't really seem to understand that the words "evidence" and "answer" are disparate do you?
    Less of the hyperbole, please.
    Less of the caustic posts, if you please.

    In fact, you know what? Put me on ignore and never speak to me again.

    Now back to where we were...


  • #339
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Explain what you are doing here dragging up an old thread? If it is not to personally attack me then what is your purpose?

    ...

    To point out a pattern of behaviour, I'd imagine....


  • #340
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Deary me... I really see no point in continuing this discussion. You just do not want to concede that there is a distinction between protest at the contents of a book and a belief system and personally insulting someone.

    Why do you see no point in continuing this discussion? I asked you to differentiate between the action of burning a religious text that you yourself would deem a protest but that others would view as a vicious insult and and actual verbal or written insult directed against someone. You don't seem to correlate the two because you have labelled the burning of a Quran as a "protest" and nothing else. Contemplate for a moment that others may see it as the insult that you clearly outline as being a horse of a completely different and unacceptable colour.

    No, that is the truth. There is no "may" about it.

    Fine. You speak Arabic. "That may be so" is a turn of phrase. It doesn't mean I'm questioning your linguistic skills or your parentage. I'm surprised that you would get so defensive. If a man said to me "I'm richer than you" and I replied "That may be so".....it's the same as me saying "You probably are". Don't be so sad as to hang on such dismal little nuggets of minutiae. It just makes you sound petty.

    But it does, understandably, offer me far greater insight in to their "cultural sensitivities" as you put it. If someone burned a Bible, I would not feel humiliated. I would certainly not support them but I wouldn't attack them either.

    Great stuff. Where else do you have apartments? Does it come with a free "How to instantaneously become acquainted with the Arab world" guide?

    No of course not. Why would you suggest such a thing? You mention that you are of Middle Eastern origin and that you speak Arabic as if it gives you the emperor's throne regarding the cultural sensitivities of Muslims yet you mention that you wouldn't fly into a blind rage if someone burned a Bible. To mention this tells me that you are a Christian. The fact that you refer to this area of the World as the "Middle" East belies the fact that you are not actually from this region. "Middle East" is a colonial term coined by Europeans and Americans. What would the Japanese call the "Middle East"? The "Middle West"? How about Australians? The "Middle North West"?
    Never heard of this. Perhaps it's something in the gulf regions? Would you pick up a friend's young child and kiss her/him on the forehead or hug them?

    Meant my left hand. Still trying to get it right. I also find it difficult not to stretch out as my legs get cramped if I put my weight in them whilst my soles are inward or behind me.
    No, my main gripe is with people blaming the pastor in lieu of the killers. The pastor should not bear any responsibility for the actions of barbarians living a few thousand miles away. There should not be a violent reaction to a relatively peaceful protest. The fact that there was one is abhorrent.

    Nobody...but nobody....is excusing the actions of these killers. Can we establish that right now? Nobody is trying to exonnerate them. They killed and that is a fact. And everyone will give you that. Can't you accept it? What they're saying is that this gobshïte in Florida conducted his pathetic little experiment and is loving the fact that people are dead as a result of him not being able to act like an adult. He did something unnecessary, purely because he could cause trouble....legally.


    You posted


    I replied


    I've added a few words in bold. Just in case you needed any extra clarification...[/QUOTE]


  • #341
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well seeing as I've torn apart your case for Islamic exceptionalism, I thought I'd hang around and see what else I could shoot down. Bit easier than solitaire when you're tired.
    Lol.
    Given whats gone on in this country and others, its not entirely an undeserved stereotype.
    Ah. So it is a case of double standards. That's all I needed to hear.

    When a miniscule proportion of Catholic priests abuse children you have no issue with all priests being defamed and made out to be paedophiles.

    When Muslims however are being defamed you defend them from "unfair stereotypes".


    I have nothing else to say to you.


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  • #342
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭RichieC


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When a miniscule proportion of Catholic priests abuse children you have no issue with all priests being defamed and made out to be paedophiles.

    When Muslims however are being defamed you defend them from "unfair stereotypes".

    conversely?


  • #343
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Zane Breezy Pebble wrote: »
    I'm just watching a documentary on Islamists in the UK. It's insane that the response to their burning our flag on the anniversary of 9/11 was nothing more than a few newspapers columnists expressing their anger. I didn't hear of one single English person seeking out the nearest Muslim and beheading them. The extremists Muslims are just so hypocritical, it's almost funny. It really is one rule for them and another for everyone else.

    So burning a flag is now an outrage? What when a member of the Royal Family called the Irish "pigs" after Mountbatten was blown to bits off the West Coast. A rather broad stroke, wouldn't you say. Bands like Iron Maiden and the Jam have burnt tricolours on stage....during the 80's. Yes it's their right but it's still a disgusting exercise in bigotry. The French railed against the Iraq invasion and were met with moronic scenes of American bulldozers driving over French flags and cretinous displays of Merlot being poured into the gutters. The muppets even renamed French Fries "Freedom Fries".....God almighty!


  • #344
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    On November the 5th every year, the Pope is burned in effigy in Lewes in Suffolk. The Pope is the leader of 1 billion Catholics, and is considered to be God's representative on Earth. He is their holy leader. England has a history of oppression of Catholics.

    my question is this:

    When do the beheadings of English people in Catholic countries start?


  • #345
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Why do you see no point in continuing this discussion?
    For the reasons I outlined in my previous post.
    You don't seem to correlate the two because you have labelled the burning of a Quran as a "protest" and nothing else. Contemplate for a moment that others may see it as the insult that you clearly outline as being a horse of a completely different and unacceptable.
    Former slave owners in the USA might have seen black civil rights activists as being insulting to their beliefs. Does that make their protests illegitimate?
    You mention that you are of Middle Eastern origin and that you speak Arabic as if it gives you the emperor's throne regarding the cultural sensitivities of Muslims yet you mention that you wouldn't fly into a blind rage if someone burned a Bible.
    I never said I am an authority on the matter. Merely that I would tend to have greater insight than would most as I have a very close link to the region.
    To mention this tells me that you are a Christian. The fact that you refer to this area of the World as the "Middle" East belies the fact that you are not actually from this region.
    Egypt (مصر)

    There are Christians from the Middle East too. Let us not dwell too long on that however...
    "Middle East" is a colonial term coined by Europeans and Americans. What would the Japanese call the "Middle East"? The "Middle West"? How about Australians? The "Middle North West"?
    I don't really mind what it's called.
    Meant my left hand. Still trying to get it right.
    Without offense but if you are still trying to get something that basic right then something tells me you are not very experienced with Arab culture. As a matter of interest, can you answer the rest of my question (As in from the section of the post you quoted)?


  • #346
    Captain_Generic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    Rabble Rabble wrote: »
    When do the beheadings of English people in Catholic countries start?

    Ireland's too busy grinding all the axes


  • #347
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    So burning a flag is now an outrage? What when a member of the Royal Family called the Irish "pigs" after Mountbatten was blown to bits off the West Coast. A rather broad stroke, wouldn't you say. Bands like Iron Maiden and the Jam have burnt tricolours on stage....during the 80's. Yes it's their right but it's still a disgusting exercise in bigotry. The French railed against the Iraq invasion and were met with moronic scenes of American bulldozers driving over French flags and cretinous displays of Merlot being poured into the gutters. The muppets even renamed French Fries "Freedom Fries".....God almighty!

    So what is your point? The American flag has also been burned by leftists, and anti-Americans outside the US, as has the Union Jack in Ireland and elsewhere.

    To a patriot a flag might be as important a symbol as a religious book. Are you justifying the killing of English people because Iron Maiden burned the tricolour?


  • #348
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »


    Ah. So it is a case of double standards. That's all I needed to hear..

    As predicted earlier. I could have typed minnie mouse and you would have said the same thing. You're rather transparently looking for an "out", and I'd say you have been since you were called on a few things earlier.
    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    When a miniscule proportion of Catholic priests abuse children you have no issue with all priests being defamed and made out to be paedophiles. ..

    Not the Irish ones, certainly. And why?
    The Murphy Report outlines how Walsh abused children in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s even though priests, canons, monsignors, bishops and the Archbishop in Dublin knew about it.
    The first complaint against him was made two days after he was appointed a parish priest in Ballyfermot in 1978 but nothing was done.
    It also describes as astonishing a letter from the Archbishop thanking him for his 'dedicated work' in Ballyfermot.
    The report says the Church authorities only sent him for treatment ten years after the first complaint of abuse was made against him.
    Walsh was permitted to continue as a priest even though a report to the Archdiocese in 1988 describes him as 'a very disturbed man who is always going to be dangerous.'
    It describes how some priests felt his activities were 'hushed up' and that a monsignor was outraged at a suggestion that the gardaí be informed of his activities.
    On 6 December, the former Dublin priest was sentenced to 16 years in prison for abusing three young boys in the 1970s and 1980s.
    The final four years of the sentence were suspended. Leave to appeal the sentence was refused.
    Abuse 'hushed up'
    Archbishop Dermot Ryan knew of the abuse by 1984 - as did Monsignor Richard Glennon, Fr Michael Cleary and a number of other priests - one priest felt matters were being 'hushed up'.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1217/abuse_murphy.html

    However, lets say that I deploy nothing but double standards on every single thing that I have ever or will ever comment on......How, exactly, does that allow you to avoid backing up your accusation against RichieC, exactly?


  • #349
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I refer you to
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71528077&postcount=341

    Reread. Particularly the last line.


    I await your smug "I win" post with earnest. Should be funny to see how you attempt to dissimulate your double standards.


  • #350
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭RichieC


    :pac:


  • #351
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    RichieC wrote: »
    :pac:
    Hey Pacman...


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  • #352
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    This is tiresome. Nodin, the PC policeman who is over all threads where people may have Crime Think continuously derails threads with whataboutary.

    What happened here was someone, in the US, burnt a book which was his property. Thats his right. he can also burn the flag. An atheist can burn a bible. A protestant can burn an effigy of the Pope. In particular in the US, which is not Afghanistan, these rights are enshrined in the constitution.

    Then a few lunatices in a different country killed people. Let's discuss that. I dont care what richieC said to Party, who said to Nodin, who said the whomever on whatever thread.

    Get back on topic.


  • #353
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Rabble Rabble wrote: »
    On November the 5th every year, the Pope is burned in effigy in Lewes in Suffolk. The Pope is the leader of 1 billion Catholics, and is considered to be God's representative on Earth. He is their holy leader. England has a history of oppression of Catholics.

    my question is this:

    When do the beheadings of English people in Catholic countries start?
    don't you mean The Church of England and monarchy opposed to English people?...


  • #354
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    The fact that you refer to this area of the World as the "Middle" East belies the fact that you are not actually from this region. "Middle East" is a colonial term coined by Europeans and Americans. What would the Japanese call the "Middle East"? The "Middle West"? How about Australians? The "Middle North West"?

    The Eurasian continent goes from West to East. Or East to West. The ordinal points are obvious to everybody. Vladivostok is on the East, Madrid is in the West, Africa is to the South. China to the East. The middle East to the Middle East.

    We dont call ourselves the centre or middle ( unlike China, which does), and East, Middle East is no more "racist" or "colonialist" than West.

    PC indoctrination enthralls me. Party is clearly Egytian, he has mentioned this before. Which means he knows about 10 Billion times more than what ever you think you know.


  • #355
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I refer you to
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71528077&postcount=341

    Reread. Particularly the last line.


    I await your smug "I win" post with earnest. Should be funny to see how you attempt to dissimulate your double standards.

    You still haven't explained how my "double standards", (or indeed the wearing of dresses by men, for that matter), allows or facilitates you to make an accusation against RichieC and not back it up.

    Now -
    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Why are you defending the Muslim extremists?.

    Where did the bould RichieC defend the muslim extremists?


  • #356
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Rabble Rabble wrote: »
    PC indoctrination enthralls me. Party is clearly Egytian, he has mentioned this before. Which means he knows about 10 Billion times more than what ever you think you know.

    So if we get two Egyptians on who disagree, do we win?


  • #357
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I recommend
    http://tinyurl.com/hyj8n

    Followed by
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71528077&postcount=341


  • #358
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Nodin wrote: »
    Where did the bould RichieC defend the muslim extremists?

    He'll throw out strawmen and avoid questions like the clappers.

    He's clearly awful at this. lot of anger in him, a very angry boy indeed. :D


  • #359
    Rabble Rabble
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭Rabble Rabble


    What they're saying is that this gobshïte in Florida conducted his pathetic little experiment and is loving the fact that people are dead as a result of him not being able to act like an adult. He did something unnecessary, purely because he could cause trouble....legally.

    Basically this argument is the argument of the coward. You problem with pastor Jones is twofold.

    1) Hes a christian.
    2) He attacked the Koran.

    Were he an atheist burning a bible your support would probably be unequivocal. If Christians rioted you would blame them. If they killed people you would be outraged. Were the killings beheadings you would demand the banning of religion.

    Of course, since the Koran burning happened in the US, were we to accept that muslims might have the right to get upset about it in a different country, when does it stop? The Taleban are clearly upset by the burning of a koran, subject to US laws, in the US. What else should enrage them? Gay Marriage in Brazil? Women driving in the UK? The Burka law in France?

    How far does appeasment go?


  • #360
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I recommend
    http://tinyurl.com/hyj8n

    Followed by
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71528077&postcount=341

    Doesn't answer the question though, or back up your accusation against RichieC.


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  • #361
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    RichieC wrote: »
    He's clearly awful at this. lot of anger in him, a very angry boy indeed. :D
    *sigh*

    To put an end to his rubbish...


    Compare Richie's posts here and Richie's posts in threads about Christianity.

    For example, in the many threads about RCC Child abuse cases he has no qualms and does not hesitate in condemning the abusers. Yet here in a thread where innocent people were beheaded I have heard surprisingly little condemnation despite his 27 posts. In fact, I have seen none whatsoever. Rather strange, don't you think?

    I admit perhaps defense was not the best word to use. Perhaps lack of condemnation or the usual scorn would have been better.


    And that's that.


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