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partyatmygaff

himnextdoor wrote: »

So, Obama goes up to Jones and says something along the lines of, 'Don't bait the extremists as there could be deadly consequences'. Jones says, 'Okay, I won't, I'll burn a copy of the Qur'an instead'.

My mistake, you're not getting it are you?

Getting what exactly? How is Pastor Jones in any way responsible for the OTT reactions of complete and utter psychopaths?

If I go out tomorrow and burn a Lamborghini as a protest, would I be insulting Lamborghini lovers or would I be protesting against Lamborghini for whatever reason? If a Lamborghini owner then decided to behead the first Ferrari owner they saw, who would be responsible for their insane and brutally violent reaction? Me or the murderer?

himnextdoor

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Obama makes a speech denouncing Gaddafi and saying that he needs to be removed from power.
Gaddafi feels insulted and so do his followers.
Gaddafi's followers then proceed to behead the nearest "American-looking" people they see.

Really?

partyatmygaff

himnextdoor wrote: »

Really?

Really what?

himnextdoor

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Getting what exactly? How is Pastor Jones in any way responsible for the OTT reactions of complete and utter psychopaths?

So he was being helpful? What did he think would happen?

partyatmygaff wrote: »

If I go out tomorrow and burn a Lamborghini as a protest, would I be insulting Lamborghini lovers or would I be protesting against Lamborghini for whatever reason??

I don't know, you choose.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

If a Lamborghini owner then decided to behead the first Ferrari owner they saw, who would be responsible for their insane and brutally violent reaction? Me or the murderer?

It depends; did you tell the Lamborghini owner that it was the Ferrari owner who torched his car? If so, then you would be partly culpable for the death of the Ferrari driver.

himnextdoor

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Really what?

Gaddafi supporters beheading American-looking people; really?

himnextdoor

dsmythy wrote: »

I think I'll send a letter to all the Irish newspapers. If they print anything bad about Fianna Fáil me and a few of my mates will go on a rampage and kill people. If they print it then they hold responsibility for the deaths.

Off you pop then.

partyatmygaff

himnextdoor wrote: »

I don't know, you choose.

I am asking you for your opinion. (I can use italics too!)

But I will not deny you your request. I will choose your opinion for you as per your request. Your opinion is now that of the latter option that I presented you with.

Now it can be said that you finally have gotten the point.

It depends; did you tell the Lamborghini owner that it was the Ferrari owner who torched his car? If so, then you would be partly culpable for the death of the Ferrari driver.

I'm rather confused by what you posted.

Let me clarify;

A Ferrari owner goes out and buys a Lamborghini and burns it out to express his distaste at Lamborghini. The following week, a group of psychopathic Lamborghini owners buy machetes and visit the nearest Ferrari dealership to hack away at the necks of all those inside the dealership.

Is the Ferrari owner responsible in any way or are the bunch of blood thirsty psychopaths the ones to blame?

himnextdoor wrote: »

Gaddafi supporters beheading American-looking people; really?

Hypothetical situation.

himnextdoor

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A Ferrari owner goes out and buys a Lamborghini and burns it out to express his distaste at Lamborghini. The following week, a group of psychopathic Lamborghini owners buy machetes and visit the nearest Ferrari dealership to hack away at the necks of all those inside the dealership.

Is the Ferrari owner responsible in any way or are the bunch of blood thirsty psychopaths the ones to blame?

Did the Ferrari owner expect to elicit such an over-reaction?

SamHarris

himnextdoor wrote: »

What video? Are you talking of the video released by the F.B.I., the one whose soundtrack was unintelligible, the one that had been helpfully subtitled so we could all 'hear' what the F.B.I. OBL was saying?

Neither al Qaeda nor Bin Laden have accepted responsibility for 9/11. And do you know what, if they had done it, they would have announced their success from the tree-tops. But they didn't, so they didn't.

Do you deny 9/11's effectiveness as a pretext to re-ignite the crusades?

Like I said I couldnt be bothered arguing, your wrong you just couldnt be bothered looking up alternatives to your theory, or googling for evidence. Whilst you try and better yourself by using rational thinking keep in mind these two things.

The obvious error of the 9/11 deniers is in failing to falsify the claim that 9/11 was planned and executed by 19 Islamic soldiers at war with the United States and directed by Osama bin Laden. --Bob Carroll


The belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking...and is easily refuted by noting that beliefs and theories are not built on single facts alone, but on a convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry. All of the “evidence” for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy.

Please stop reading conspiracy theory forums/ websites with clear agendas, find non aligned sites dedicated to critical thinking and facts. I'm not responding anymore, it's like arguing with childern when I get involed with conspiracy theorists.

SamHarris

Is it strange to anyone else that nearly everyone so far saying that the Pastor is responsible for the killings is also a 9/11 consipracy theorist? Just an interesting observation...

himnextdoor

himnextdoor wrote: »

Did the Ferrari owner expect to elicit such an over-reaction?

Why is that relevant?

himnextdoor

SamHarris wrote: »

Is it strange to anyone else that nearly everyone so far saying that the Pastor is responsible for the killings is also a 9/11 consipracy theorist? Just an interesting observation...

Which is no-one.

I think it is odd that the only ones who think that people here think Jones is responsible are unable to read.

himnextdoor

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is that relevant?

Because the pastor did.

philologos

RichieC wrote: »

So manslaughter then, it's not murder if there's a proven Provocation, since we're working within the letter of the law, right?

So by violence caused by the Muhammad cartoons Jyllands Posten are guilty of manslaughter?

There is only one person guilty of taking life in this case and that is the suicide bomber. In the case of Jyllands Posten similar.

Mark200

RichieC wrote: »

So manslaughter then, it's not murder if there's a proven Provocation, since we're working within the letter of the law, right?

Well provocation only applies to any immediate reaction in which it can be said that the defendant had lost control of themselves due to a sudden and temporary anger etc. It wouldn't apply to acts committed several days after the 'provocation'...

nacho libre

Considering that history throughout the ages is filled with conspiracies, treachery, deceipt and double dealing, it's rather quaint that the coincidence theorists, like Shermer, seem to believe that our modern age is conspiracy free. Shermer, it would seem, conveniently ignores the fact that amoral people/psychopaths have attained positions of power and influence throughout human history.

RichieC

nacho libre wrote: »

Considering that history throughout the ages is filled with conspiracies, treachery, deceipt and double dealing, it's rather quaint that the coincidence theorists, like Shermer, seem to believe that our modern age is conspiracy free. Shermer, it would seem, conveniently ignores the fact that amoral people/psychopaths have attained positions of power and influence throughout human history.

It's a bit like when Dianna died and there was talk that she was killed for banging an Arab.. people act incredulous.. like them ****s haven't been killing each other for hundreds of years..

himnextdoor

SamHarris wrote: »

Like I said I couldnt be bothered arguing, your wrong you just couldnt be bothered looking up alternatives to your theory, or googling for evidence.

It is as if you were reading my mind.:rolleyes:

SamHarris wrote: »

Whilst you try and better yourself by using rational thinking keep in mind these two things.

Hang on a sec...



Okay, go...

SamHarris wrote: »

The obvious error of the 9/11 deniers is in failing to falsify the claim that 9/11 was planned and executed by 19 Islamic soldiers at war with the United States and directed by Osama bin Laden. --Bob Carroll

Uh-huh...

SamHarris wrote: »

The belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking...and is easily refuted by noting that beliefs and theories are not built on single facts alone, but on a convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry. All of the “evidence” for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy.

Uh-huh

SamHarris wrote: »

Please stop reading conspiracy theory forums/ websites with clear agendas, find non aligned sites dedicated to critical thinking and facts. I'm not responding anymore, it's like arguing with childern when I get involed with conspiracy theorists.

It's uncanny, man. Are you a psychic or something?:pac:

partyatmygaff

RichieC wrote: »

It's a bit like when Dianna died and there was talk that she was killed for banging an Arab.. people act incredulous.. like them ****s haven't been killing each other for hundreds of years..

And Europe and North America have been peaceful utopias for hundreds of years... It wasn't too long ago that Europe saw a few million dead by WW2.

Blatant racism in any case.

Palmach

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0407/1224294100439.html

The article in today's IT sums the whole situation up.

himnextdoor

Palmach wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0407/1224294100439.html

The article in today's IT sums the whole situation up.

Yes, it does seem strange that the media should use one form of religious intolerance as a vehicle to 'expose' another form of religious intolerance.

I was rather under the impression that the Western presence in Iraq and Afghanistan were an attack on extremism.:rolleyes:

Extremism is a problem for which it seems the only solution is war. The West though will find it necessary to 'offend' many, many people in order to impose its values on the East where freedom of expression apparently needs to be curtailed.

And pastor Jones was wrong to do what he did.