UN workers killed in Afghanistan

Royal Irish

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

At least eight foreign UN workers have been killed, two of them beheaded, in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-i-Sharif after a demonstration against the burning of Korans by a US preacher.
'Eight foreigners were killed and two were beheaded,' said Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, a police spokesman for the northern region.
Over a thousand protesters had flooded into the streets of the normally peaceful city after Friday prayers, and after two or three hours violence broke out.
A small group attacked the UN compound, throwing stones and climbing on blast barriers to try and enter.
A police source, who declined to be named as he was not authorised to speak to the media, said protesters had stormed into the compound where they attacked the victims.
The chief of the mission in the city was wounded but survived, and the dead included employees of Norwegian, Romanian and Swedish nationalities, he added.
A United Nations spokesman confirmed that there had been deaths of personnel at the mission in Mazar-i-Sharif but declined to give further details, saying the situation on the ground was still confusing.
Staffan De Mistura, the top UN representative in Afghanistan, was heading to Mazar-i-Sharif to handle the matter personally, he added.
Thousands of demonstrators marched through western Herat city and around 200 in Kabul, but there was no violence at either protest.

Saila

No news threads will work today

RichieC

These April fools are getting a little dark..

Wolfe Tone

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

Well one lad burned a book, the others murdered two men... You cant tell who is worse?

AlmightyCushion

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

Well one is an idiot and the other is a murderer. I think murder probably just beats idiocy.

Hank_Jones

Afghan Fool?

Royal Irish

RichieC wrote: »

These April fools are getting a little dark..

Arent April fools pranks supposed to be done before midday?

I should have put a rolling eyes smiley at the end of my original post to emphasis the sarcasm.

partyatmygaff

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Well one is an idiot and the other is a murderer. I think murder probably just beats idiocy.

Only just?


I don't know about you but I would class burning a book as being a relatively peaceful form of protest. He didn't harm anyone directly, he caused offence but no physical harm.

Storming a military facility to kill six and behead two innocent people just because you were offended by something that someone a few thousand miles did is not only blindingly stupid but barbaric.

Svetti Arss

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Only just?


I don't know about you but I would class burning a book as being a relatively peaceful form of protest. He didn't harm anyone directly, he caused offence but no physical harm.

And im sure that most sane people would agree. Welcome to Islam..

Oranage2

the UN is a foreign army in Afganistan so nobody's innocent.

partyatmygaff

Oranage2 wrote: »

the UN is a foreign army in Afganistan so nobody's innocent.

Afghanistan have been members of the UN for more than sixty years...

Royal Irish

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Afghanistan have been members of the UN for more than sixty years...

He is confusing ISAF forces with the UN.

Son Of A Vidic

Don't tell me that preacher didn't get the extremist reaction he was looking for. Innocent people have died because of this attention seeking pr1ck. Whether it's a bible, the Koran or the Torah you just shouldn't burn religious books. Oh it might be his right to do so, but incitement to religious hatred is the end result.

Of course there are plenty of extremists using Islam as an excuse for barbarity. But before we start our morale pontification and start attacking Islam. Let us not forget there many Christian extremists out there. It wasn't too long ago that our little island dripped in the blood of religious sectarian brutality.

Morlar

Let's see . . . . .

burning a book in a peaceful protest vs chopping peoples heads off ?

Tough call.

Oranage2

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Afghanistan have been members of the UN for more than sixty years...

still though, you wear a uniform and carry a gun you're not some innocent by-standard.

Overheal

Personally if Jihadists wanted to suicide bomb (or you know, bomb) the Westboro Baptist Church, I'd turn the other way, for my part.

This method however, does nothing. Wont affect the Church's rights, might spark a few protests, but thats it.

What a horrible thing; all around.

AlmightyCushion

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Only just?


I don't know about you but I would class burning a book as being a relatively peaceful form of protest. He didn't harm anyone directly, he caused offence but no physical harm.

Storming a military facility to kill six and behead two innocent people just because you were offended by something that someone a few thousand miles did is not only blindingly stupid but barbaric.

I was being sarcastic with the just part.

partyatmygaff

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Of course there are plenty of extremists using Islam as an excuse for barbarity. But before we start our morale pontification and start attacking Islam. Let us not forget there many Christian extremists out there.

Perhaps but truth be told I cannot say that I have heard of Christian extremists beheading innocent people. Least of all innocent people who likely had never even heard of the man in question let alone supported him.

Christian extremists a few hundred years ago were at times brutal. But then again, so was everyone else. This was the age where petty crime would often lead to execution.

Collie D

Oranage2 wrote: »

still though, you wear a uniform and carry a gun you're not some innocent by-standard.

Not all UN workers are soldiers.

KeithAFC

Backward country. Nonsense book. Bring the soldiers home.

Quiet you

Oranage2 wrote: »

still though, you wear a uniform and carry a gun you're not some innocent by-standard.

The ISAF are the ones that carry arms. They were set up after a UN mandate allowed it but the UN have no control over its actions.

UN workers are involved in helping to rebuild the country along with rehabilitating those affected by the war and educating the population, so yeah, not a shred of innocence among them.

If they had of been armed only the ones attempting to kill them would have been killed.

dlofnep

Sorry did I miss something? Did they behead them because this preacher burnt a book?

minidazzler

Quiet you wrote: »

The ISAF are the ones that carry arms. They were set up after a UN mandate allowed it but the UN have no control over its actions.

UN workers are involved in helping to rebuild the country along with rehabilitating those affected by the war and educating the population, so yeah, not a shred of innocence among them.

If they had of been armed only the ones attempting to kill them would have been killed.

My guess is that this would be the "crime" they commited to deserve this from those cnuting backward ass cave dwellers. Not saying all muslims are in fact I would be one to believe most aren't, but these extremist sh1theads are nothing to respect.

partyatmygaff

dlofnep wrote: »

Sorry did I miss something? Did they behead them because this preacher burnt a book?

Yes.

Fratton Fred

It sounds a bit far fetched tbh. The Taliban don't allow foreign news or media, so how would they know about some nutters burning a book?

dlofnep

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes.

Ugh... That pastor is an attention seeking prick. He knew something like this would happen. Still though, people should be able to take a shíte on a picture of Mohammad if they like without people harming a single person. Extremist muslims should be sent off to the moon until they can behave like civilised people.

partyatmygaff

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It sounds a bit far fetched tbh. The Taliban don't allow foreign news or media, so how would they know about some nutters burning a book?

The Taliban no longer control all of Afghanistan. They haven't for quite some time.

Latchy

Sure you should be able to burn any book you want but not when other peoples lives are at risk and that pastor knob head by his actions in far of safety of america, has the deaths of those 20 un workers on his hands .

Fratton Fred

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The Taliban no longer control all of Afghanistan. They haven't for quite some time.

No no no, you are mistaken. The Taliban rule Afghanistan and are who the people want. The UN are only there to kill their children and steal their oil.

Palmach

Latchy wrote: »

Sure you should be able to burn any book you want but not when other peoples lives are at risk and that pastor knob head by his actions in far of safety of america, has the deaths of those 20 un workers on his hands .

Or maybe the hair trigger reaction of Muslims the world over to every real and imagined slight has something to do with it. Remember the Piss Christ statue.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ...... Were Christians rushing out to behead people?

Religion of Peace anyone?

Palmach

Latchy wrote: »

Sure you should be able to burn any book you want but not when other peoples lives are at risk and that pastor knob head by his actions in far of safety of america, has the deaths of those 20 un workers on his hands .

Or maybe the hair trigger reaction of Muslims the world over to every real and imagined slight has something to do with it. Remember the Piss Christ statue.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ...... Were Christians rushing out to behead people?

Religion of Peace anyone?

partyatmygaff

Or to be even more relevant... when the Taliban destroyed ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan were any Buddhists rushing out to behead people?

Mister men

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

Right so. You do know the difference between burning a book and cutting a persons head off right?

Latchy

Whenever anybody was murdered in NI during the troubles it was to provoke as much as anything and usually met with retaliation by the other side or by individuals, with little or no regard for any innocent person ( or persons ) unfortunate to be the next victim .

That pastor sure as hell didn't burn the book with a gang of easily wound up Taliban led Muslims outside his house and he didn't give a flying fcuk or put much or any thought into what reaction this would cause ,that's the tragedy .

Royal Irish

Mister men wrote: »

Right so. You do know the difference between burning a book and cutting a persons head off right?

That was pointed out and answered earlier. My fault I didnt make my post look more sarcastic.

Royal Irish wrote: »

I should have put a rolling eyes smiley at the end of my original post to emphasis the sarcasm.

philologos

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

Of course the latter. Burning a book is just stupid, killing people because someone burned a book is plain criminal.

I don't see why burning books themselves should be illegal. What I do think is that burning outdoors in general would be considered a violation of a public ordinance thus dealing with the whole burning books you don't like thing.

If they want to get riled up about burning books they should look up "Qur'an burning" on youtube or "Bible burning" the other way around. Not uncommon. Most of us just ignore it and think of the fact that there are millions of other copies bought every day.

yammycat

Jakkass wrote: »

What I do think is that burning outdoors in general would be considered a violation of a public ordinance thus dealing with the whole burning books you don't like thing.

I doubt not being able to burn it in public would make any difference, he could invite the cameras into his house and throw it in the fire.

philologos

yammycat wrote: »

I doubt not being able to burn it in public would make any difference, he could invite the cameras into his house and throw it in the fire.

His house, his fire, his Qur'an, Bible, Vedas, The God Delusion :pac: etc.

It's a highly anti-intellectual practice, but people should have the liberty to burn what they want in their own home. Although if there is excessive smoke generated by ones burning this is where public ordinances might be involved.

Personally, I obviously treat the Bible with a lot of respect because it is a book I revere, and if someone were to burn the Bible that would be a negative reflection on them. Ultimately however, the Bible isn't just paper and print, the words endure because they are God's words. This is why it is different to distinguish between the words on the page, and the page itself. The page itself isn't what is valuable, but it is the words that are valuable.

The question is why can't Muslims see the Qur'an in the same way? Perhaps a question to be asked over in the Islam forum but surely you can get what I mean.

yammycat

Jakkass wrote: »

but surely you can get what I mean.

I do, I wonder would they be upset if I deleted a digital version of the quran ?

deco nate

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Well one lad burned a book, the others murdered two men... You cant tell who is worse?

do you know this is the same guy that said he was gonna do this
a few months ago,the yanks had a "chat"with him sayin how much
damage it would do,and he back off.knowin people would be killed
because of this.yet he turns around and doe's it anyway?:eek:
he is a arsehole that just wants to start ****,no matter what the
cost to people that are tryin to help others.
ie he is a fookin scumbag:mad:

Celly Smunt

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No no no, you are mistaken. The Taliban rule Afghanistan and are who the people want. The UN are only there to kill their children and steal their oil.

you are talking the way an outsider would look at Ireland with the I.R.A,you're mistaken sir,and as for the whole "U.N killing children and stealing oil",don't be an idiot.

FunnyStuff

pmcmahon wrote: »

you are talking the way an outsider would look at Ireland with the I.R.A,you're mistaken sir,and as for the whole "U.N killing children and stealing oil",don't be an idiot.

is there a problem with people's sarcasm detectors tonight??

Celly Smunt

FunnyStuff wrote: »

is there a problem with people's sarcasm detectors tonight??

nah just yore ma

R0ot

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Well one is an idiot and the other is a murderer. I think murder probably just beats idiocy.

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

yammycat

R0ot wrote: »

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

The guy was perfectly entitled to burn the book and bears no responsibility for the crazed actions of certain individuals, none at all.

partyatmygaff

deco nate wrote: »

ie he is a fookin scumbag:mad:

Yes yes...

The preacher making a peaceful protest is the "fooking scumbag" and the barbarians who beheaded innocent people helping them are just poor innocent lambs.

I rarely do this but :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

R0ot wrote: »

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

People do things that may be perceived as offensive every day. It's hardly his fault that there are barbarians out there who will kill indiscriminately at even the smallest slight at their beliefs.

deco nate

yammycat wrote: »

The guy was perfectly entitled to burn the book and bears no responsibility for the crazed actions of certain individuals, none at all.

bull****!he was told months ago what his actions would cause,
thier was a media frenzie bout it.an he backed down.then he turns
round an and does it anyway knowin full well that people will
be killed cause of it.the blood is just as much on his hands.
crazed actions work both ways,dont defend this loony:mad:

deco nate

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes yes...

The preacher making a peaceful protest is the "fooking scumbag" and the barbarians who beheaded innocent people helping them are just poor innocent lambs.

I rarely do this but :rolleyes:

he done it to incite murder:rolleyes:
and quote the whole post thank you.
(or do you work for the sun newspaper)

irishconvert

Svetti Arss wrote: »

And im sure that most sane people would agree. Welcome to Islam..

This is not Islam. Islam is against murder like this.

Celly Smunt

i guess this is the time where you get popcorn for real *really gets popcorn*