Everyone seems to want a 1 litre car !

celticbest · 30-03-2011 01:26PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

1.01 litre Annual tax: EUR259
2.5litre Annual tax: EUR935

Difference over 365days: EUR676
Difference per month: EUR56
Difference per day: EUR2.00

So for people that say choose to use a Toll Road (one way) per day, they are already paying the tax costs of an engine 2.5times larger.
We have a 2.4Litre diesel that gets over 45MPG too, so its fueling costs are around the same as 50mpg Petrol 1litre car.
Hardly insurmountable figures were are dealing with here.

Tax Band 0 - 1000 - Annual €172, Half Year €95,Quarter Year €48, Arrear(Per Month) €17.20
Tax Band 2401 - 2500 - Annual €935, Half Year €518, Quarter Year €264, Arrear(Per Month) €93.50

Difference = €763 Per Year not €676 as per your statement, this equals an extra €87 per year which would actually cover nearly half a years road tax if paid half yearly or if paid yearly it is more then half a years road tax for a 1L.

I have a 2006 Citroen C1 currently & get 20km per Litre, I only use it for getting in and out of work, I travel the M1 & M50 in it every weekday & in the 5 years I've have it I've clocked up 71,000 km to date & have only ever had to have regular services every 15,000 to 20,000 km, 1 brake pad change & 1 set of new tyres.

I also have a 2007 Citroen C4 1.4l Coupe & I currently get 12km per litre that's a difference of 8km per litre!!

C1 - 35 x 20 = 700km
C4 - 35 x 12 = 420km

(I have a 35 Litre tank in my C1)

Therefore I get 280km more per tank in C1 compared to 35 Litres in my C4. This means I save an average of €21 per 35 litres in the C1 compared to the C4 if I was to cover the same amount of KM.

I fill my C1 every second Sunday so I save €21 x 26 weeks = €546 per year on fuel.

So €546 + €87 = €633 saving compared to me using my C4 daily,

I look on this as a saving on the toll with it only costing me about €407 a year instead of about €1,040 (- the €633) per year if I used the C4.

So if you look at the economics it can make sense to get a 1l car.........

Max Power1 · 30-03-2011 01:31PM

celticbest wrote: »

So if you look at the economics it can make sense to get a 1l car.........

But you still have to drive it! (And I say this as the owner of a fiesta

)

Shane732 · 30-03-2011 01:43PM

celticbest wrote: »

Tax Band 0 - 1000 - Annual €172, Half Year €95,Quarter Year €48, Arrear(Per Month) €17.20
Tax Band 2401 - 2500 - Annual €935, Half Year €518, Quarter Year €264, Arrear(Per Month) €93.50

Difference = €763 Per Year not €676 as per your statement, this equals an extra €87 per year which would actually cover nearly half a years road tax if paid half yearly or if paid yearly it is more then half a years road tax for a 1L.

I have a 2006 Citroen C1 currently & get 20km per Litre, I only use it for getting in and out of work, I travel the M1 & M50 in it every weekday & in the 5 years I've have it I've clocked up 71,000 km to date & have only ever had to have regular services every 15,000 to 20,000 km, 1 brake pad change & 1 set of new tyres.

I also have a 2007 Citroen C4 1.4l Coupe & I currently get 12km per litre that's a difference of 8km per litre!!

C1 - 35 x 20 = 700km
C4 - 35 x 12 = 420km

(I have a 35 Litre tank in my C1)

Therefore I get 280km more per tank in C1 compared to 35 Litres in my C4. This means I save an average of €21 per 35 litres in the C1 compared to the C4 if I was to cover the same amount of KM.

I fill my C1 every second Sunday so I save €21 x 26 weeks = €546 per year on fuel.

So €546 + €87 = €633 saving compared to me using my C4 daily,

I look on this as a saving on the toll with it only costing me about €407 a year instead of about €1,040 (- the €633) per year if I used the C4.

So if you look at the economics it can make sense to get a 1l car.........

Few issues:

1. Both cars are Citroens
2. One of the cars is a Citroen C1
3. The other car is a Citroen C4

I haven't bother looking through the figures in details but you yearly saving amounts to €633. That's less than €2 a day. Sorry, but f**k that -not a hope of me going near any car like a C1 for the sake of €2 a day.

Shane732 · 30-03-2011 01:51PM

To answer the OP's question - there's not a chance I'd drive a 1l car.

I'm not particularly keen on having to pray that the wind is blowing in the right direction for the car to start moving!

Jesu* for the sake of €2 a day go and buy a Skoda Octavia!!!!

People are like sheep, they hear €156 road tax and they'll buy it. You can buy 3.0l 250 bhp+ that fit into the €630 band and will get you nearly 40 mpg. Road tax is only one side of motoring. Jesus if people are that concerned with the cost of motoring go get the bus and use the bus lanes.

Why bother looking like a tool for the sake of €2!!!!

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh I die a bit inside everytime I see a 1l car or any discussion about them!

snickerpuss · 30-03-2011 01:52PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its a joy the 1 litre brigade will never know

But at least the 1L brigade can feel their money in their pockets and not in the petrol station ;-)
I've got a 1l Yaris. Mostly do city driving so it's grand, cheap tax, cheap insurance, good on petrol... Top notch. And not dodgey on motorways, little flyer, can park anywhere. Love it.

30-03-2011 02:00PM

Shane732 wrote: »

Jesu* for the sake of €2 a day go and buy a Skoda Octavia!!!!

People are like sheep, they hear €156 road tax and they'll buy it. You can buy 3.0l 250 bhp+ that fit into the €630 band and will get you nearly 40 mpg. Road tax is only one side of motoring. Jesus if people are that concerned with the cost of motoring go get the bus and use the bus lanes.

Why bother looking like a tool for the sake of €2!!!!

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh I die a bit inside everytime I see a 1l car or any discussion about them!

To many folk €2/day is quite a lot unfortunately, plenty of families are getting by on very modest wages and that €2/day saved by looking a tool could well be paying for a family treat every fortnight etc etc.

BlackWizard · 30-03-2011 02:02PM

I'm driving a 1.2 after driving a nice 3.0 car. The 1.2 is perfectly fine on the motorway(130kph). Of course I don't win any races, but that's not why I got a 1.2 car.

mickdw · 30-03-2011 02:37PM

Everyone does not want a 1L. In my experience, most people want something around a 1.4 to 1.9L diesel. You then have the people who want larger diesel engines not to mention all the drivers who will have nothing but a large petrol.I would estimate less than 10% of car drivers would want a 1L.

celticbest · 30-03-2011 02:40PM

RoverJames wrote: »

To many folk €2/day is quite a lot unfortunately, plenty of families are getting by on very modest wages and that €2/day saved by looking a tool could well be paying for a family treat every fortnight etc etc.

+1

Although it's not just the money factor to some, I feel I'm also doing my bit for the environment by not driving a bigger car then I require on my daily commute, at the weekends I use the C4 with the Wife and kids as this have more power and can carry the four of us without ripping the heart out of the engine.

BostonB · 30-03-2011 02:42PM

mickdw wrote: »

Everyone does not want a 1L. In my experience, most people want something around a 1.4 to 1.9L diesel. You then have the people who want larger diesel engines not to mention all the drivers who will have nothing but a large petrol.I would estimate less than 10% of car drivers would want a 1L.

I don't think he mean everyone literally.

Max Power1 · 30-03-2011 02:49PM

snickerpuss wrote: »

But at least the 1L brigade can feel their money in their pockets and not in the petrol station ;-)
I've got a 1l Yaris. Mostly do city driving so it's grand, cheap tax, cheap insurance, good on petrol... Top notch. And not dodgey on motorways, little flyer, can park anywhere. Love it.

I have all the above with my fiesta

I'd swap it for an e38 or a Jag etc if I could afford the running costs. I was seriously contemplating a jag XK just before petrol shot up.

mp22 · 30-03-2011 02:56PM

I have the best of both worlds with a 1.2 TCE, 10 secs to 60 mph or 50 miles to the gallon.Big grin or grin and bear it:D

BostonB · 30-03-2011 02:58PM

A light 16v 1L is often much nicer to drive than heavy slug of 1.4 or bigger around town.

celticbest · 30-03-2011 02:59PM

Shane732 wrote: »

Few issues:

1. Both cars are Citroens
2. One of the cars is a Citroen C1
3. The other car is a Citroen C4

:eek: I can only compare what I have......

Shane732 wrote: »

I haven't bother looking through the figures in details but you yearly saving amounts to €633. That's less than €2 a day. Sorry, but f**k that -not a hope of me going near any car like a C1 for the sake of €2 a day.

I'd rather have the money in my pocket, I only drive the C1 in rush hour traffic going into and out of work, it's not as like I could drive a 911 much quicker at these times.......

bladebrew · 30-03-2011 03:01PM

Shane732 wrote: »

To answer the OP's question - there's not a chance I'd drive a 1l car.

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh I die a bit inside everytime I see a 1l car or any discussion about them!

oh ffs not again, if you die a bit everytime you see a 1 litre car you would have been dead long ago:)

Anan1 · 30-03-2011 03:08PM

BostonB wrote: »

A light 16v 1L is often much nicer to drive than heavy slug of 1.4 or bigger around town.

+1. Another huge advantage of a 1.0 is that you can drive the absolute stones off it without fear of killing anyone. Of course that's assuming one's the kind of person who prefers driving to posing.:)

langdang · 30-03-2011 03:13PM

Anan1 wrote: »

+1. Another huge advantage of a 1.0 is that you can drive the absolute stones off it without fear of killing anyone. Of course that's assuming one's the kind of person who prefers driving to posing.:)

Rental-car-tastic

Caliden · 30-03-2011 04:35PM

Going from a 2 litre integra dc5 to a 1.2 corsa and it doesnt bother me in the slightest.
Back in college now for the year and didnt see the point in hanging onto the car if I wasnt going to track/drag it.

Pointless having a 215bhp car capable of 150mph when there's so many speed vans and lower speed limits nowadays.
I will definitely go back to a dc5 but make it a track only car.

no1beemerfan · 30-03-2011 04:53PM

ronan45 wrote: »

is there a huge saving between say a 1 litre Petrol car and a 1.4 liter petrol car doing the same journey per week?

I have a 1998 1 litre Micra and the missus has a 2005 Focus II 1.4 litre. The Micra gets between 48 and 51 mpg and the Focus gets around 40 mpg so over time the Micra would be cheaper but I know which car I'd rather be on a motorway in!

no1beemerfan · 30-03-2011 05:00PM

Shane732 wrote: »

To answer the OP's question - there's not a chance I'd drive a 1l car.

I'm not particularly keen on having to pray that the wind is blowing in the right direction for the car to start moving!

Jesu* for the sake of €2 a day go and buy a Skoda Octavia!!!!

People are like sheep, they hear €156 road tax and they'll buy it. You can buy 3.0l 250 bhp+ that fit into the €630 band and will get you nearly 40 mpg. Road tax is only one side of motoring. Jesus if people are that concerned with the cost of motoring go get the bus and use the bus lanes.

Why bother looking like a tool for the sake of €2!!!!

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh I die a bit inside everytime I see a 1l car or any discussion about them!

I'm sorry to have to say this but I don't think you can be really objective as from reading other posts/topics you are in the privilaged position of not having to worry about money. If people could afford a car like the one you just bought we wouldn't have one litre cars and wouldn't worry about car tax or saving €2. Unfortunately for a LOT of people that €2 adds up to a lot.

VolvoMan · 30-03-2011 05:29PM

Shane732 wrote: »

Few issues:

1. Both cars are Citroens
2. One of the cars is a Citroen C1
3. The other car is a Citroen C4

I haven't bother looking through the figures in details but you yearly saving amounts to €633. That's less than €2 a day. Sorry, but f**k that -not a hope of me going near any car like a C1 for the sake of €2 a day.

Shane732 wrote: »

To answer the OP's question - there's not a chance I'd drive a 1l car.

I'm not particularly keen on having to pray that the wind is blowing in the right direction for the car to start moving!

Jesu* for the sake of €2 a day go and buy a Skoda Octavia!!!!

People are like sheep, they hear €156 road tax and they'll buy it. You can buy 3.0l 250 bhp+ that fit into the €630 band and will get you nearly 40 mpg. Road tax is only one side of motoring. Jesus if people are that concerned with the cost of motoring go get the bus and use the bus lanes.

Why bother looking like a tool for the sake of €2!!!!

Arrrrggggghhhhhhh I die a bit inside everytime I see a 1l car or any discussion about them!

This is not logical thinking, but plain ignorance.

30-03-2011 06:38PM

In fairness when I was Shane's age I had similar thoughts. As a young lad I used to chat away to the ole lad about cars etc, he's be mentioning mpg and motor tax being more expensive on bigger cars, I never really saw his point :pac:

I'm not overly bothered with mpg and motor tax as a single 30 year old but in a few years or so if I found myself supporting a family and that I'd certainly look at fuel and motor tax as a way of cutting outgoings if I had a better use for the money (nappies, food, school uniforms, books etc). As with the ZT 'twould be cheap to buy in addition to being cheaper to tax and fuel

I wouldn't be spending thousands to "save" €20/week.

Shane732 · 30-03-2011 08:07PM

I thought I was going to get torn apart for that post. Probably rightly so too.

My issue isn't in relation to people who are struggling at the moment and as a result of this €2 a pay can be a significant amount of money. I appreciate that sometimes needs must and at the end of the day a car is just something to get you from A to B to most people.

My issue is really in relation to people who pull in driving something that's €156 to tax and are sh*ting on about the huge savings their getting. It really drives me nuts.

In relation to the Citroen poster - did you purchase this as an additional car? From you post I assume so as you only said you only use the car for travel to and from work (I'm open to correction on this). If you did then you had the initial outlay of purchasing the car, the annual service costs of the car (which even if only €100 or €200 significantly effects your "saving" calculations) and motor tax. If you don't use the car for anything else - then you have purchased an additional car to save €633 a year. To me that doesn't make any sense as your additional outlay on the C1 is going to far outweigh the €633 saving on you achieve by driving the C1. Now maybe the C4 is used by your wife etc... and if so then that's different.

Matt Simis · 30-03-2011 09:43PM

Caliden wrote: »

Going from a 2 litre integra dc5 to a 1.2 corsa and it doesnt bother me in the slightest.
Back in college now for the year and didnt see the point in hanging onto the car if I wasnt going to track/drag it.

Pointless having a 215bhp car capable of 150mph when there's so many speed vans and lower speed limits nowadays.
I will definitely go back to a dc5 but make it a track only car.

Im thinking dead on the inside or denial. On the plus side your future motoring looks to be cheap and frugal. How very financially sensible that will be.

Owen · 30-03-2011 09:46PM

I'm at the point of going from a 2 litre diesel, to a .7 litre petrol. As much as I love the 75, I'm the only person ever in it, so I don't need 5 seats, and I can't justify what will be 700 Euro motor tax by the time FG is finished with it for the 5-6k miles I do a year on my own. If I was transporting a family about the place, it'd be a different matter completely.

That saving of 500 quid on motor tax alone will pay for a break away, or insurance for the car on it's own. And I'm one of the biggest large engine fans around

PAULWATSON · 30-03-2011 09:46PM

and the agenda rolls on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8411336/EU-to-ban-cars-from-cities-by-2050.html

Reloc8 · 30-03-2011 09:55PM

By 2050 I'll be driving my 4 litre hoverspaceshipteleportermobile fuelled on the flatus of grasshoppers.

C4Kid · 30-03-2011 10:22PM

what would kill me is the likes of a 1.4l Golf

It's amazing the amount of people hate the 1.4 Golf, Personally I don't think they are so bad. You pay for what you get with bigger cc cars though.

BostonB · 30-03-2011 10:24PM

A lot of VW older VW's are completely numb. Some of the Jap 1L while light, you much more in contact with the car/road, one you get used to it being so light.

Merch · 30-03-2011 10:39PM

Depends on the driving a person is doing really, I've loads of poke in a 1.25, do long journeys the odd time, but mostly local journeys and not too much mileage.
I was nearly tempted to get a 1.6-1.8 diesel few years back, but in hindsight, think the pros might be outweighed by the cons unless doing appropriate mileage

ottostreet wrote: »

I'm doing big mileage, I just refuse to drive ****boxes. It's not safe to drive small engined cars.

I had two cars for sale simultaneously recently. One was a rubbish 96 Audi A4 1.9TDI with no NCT and high mileage (190k miles). The other is a pristine 97 2 litre Mitsubishi FTO in immaculate condition, low mileage (70k miles), t/belt done, and NCT til end of 2012...Both were roughly around the same price bracket.

I've been rid of the Audi for over two months now and I'd say I got about 60-70 calls within a week.. The FTO...I've had about 5 calls/texts in total, including swap offers, and its still parked outside.

Hmm what would that be worth now?, its a car I'd be interested in/always liked the shape, if I wasn't on economical motoring, well for the next few years.

Max Power1 wrote: »

But you still have to drive it! (And I say this as the owner of a fiesta )

I'd love a nicer car, but I'd still prefer motoring than on the buses

Everyone seems to want a 1 litre car !

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