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thc helps stop tumour growth

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  • #32
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Sergeant wrote: »
    To be honest, I'd rather place my faith in the following:

    Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University Medical Center, Maastricht, Netherlands
    King’s College London, King’s Health Partners, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
    Department of Psychology, Division of Epidemiology and Health Psychology, University of Basel, Switzerland
    Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry, Munich, Germany
    Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technical University Dresden, Germany

    than the opinions of someone on a message board.

    granted these eminent instantiations have shown a link between cannabis and mental health issues , but if you work on this logic then all these said places have also proved that alcohol does the same thing for a much larger percentage of the population , so ban the demon drink

    a very small amount of users have ANY issues other than the smoking related issues from regular use , so again if you use this logic smoking should be banned right away

    as i see it , cannabis use causes less harm 2 the population than the legal drugs , either it should be legal or the others should be illegal because its backwards and hypocritical to leave it as it is , as i said in my earlier post its down to votes and jobs

    Christ if they only looked at the criminal aspect of the sale of cannabis this should be a reason for the legalization of it , no cash for criminal gangs from its sale , less reason for the RIRA to shoot people for its sale

    i have been to Holland many times and one thing i have never been offered for sale by a street dealer is cannabis , why ? because they cant make money from it because its legal , so no money for mister child trafficing gun toting scum bag from hash

    less people use harder drugs by a factor of ten , so frees up resources to tackle class A drug use and supply , lets face it a FORTUNE is wasted busting smokers and small dealers of hash , wasted time and cash

    and 2 top it all it could be VERY beneficial for many medical ailments .
    i have yet 2 hear a compelling reason why it is not controlled by the
    medical council / the state for sale in pharmacies .


  • #33
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    stimpson wrote: »
    The bit that get's you high IS the THC (as well as Cannabidiol). There are already systhisised cannabinoids available under licence in the UK. For many applications they are not anywhere near as effective as smoking grass.

    Marinol.


  • #34
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    RichieC wrote: »
    Marinol.

    ah marinol, 4 recorded deaths from it yet not one death in the history of man from cannabis!!

    for the love of...!!!!!


  • #35
    ilovesleep
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    Let us hope that these beneficial effects can be seperated and extracted to provide them to those who need them, without the damage caused to the body by the necessity of smoking.

    I'm sure one of the drug companies will be able to come up with something soon.

    I was watching a documentry about cannabis.

    Cannabis is inhaled as a steam. No smoking involved. As far as I can remember there is a special pot, much like a baby bottle sterilizer, in which the cannabis is added to and the contents is boiled. The pot would have a valve in which a medical oxygen mask would be added too. The mask would have a long hose so that there is no fear of scalding. The pot can be left on the counter so that there is no need to carry it about and the person can sit down as he/she is taking his/her treatment.
    Edit - thats cannabis for medical use.


  • #36
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I was watching a documentry about cannabis.

    Cannabis is inhaled as a steam. No smoking involved. As far as I can remember there is a special pot, much like a baby bottle sterilizer, in which the cannabis is added to and the contents is boiled. The pot would have a valve in which a medical oxygen mask would be added too. The mask would have a long hose so that there is no fear of scalding. The pot can be left on the counter so that there is no need to carry it about and the person can sit down as he/she is taking his/her treatment.

    That sounds like a vaporiser.

    There are new-fangled, electronic varieties available.

    Yours sounds a bit old-school.


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  • #37
    RichieC
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    whoopdedoo wrote: »
    ah marinol, 4 recorded deaths from it yet not one death in the history of man from cannabis!!

    for the love of...!!!!!

    Hadn't heard about that... interesting...


  • #38
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?


  • #39
    RichieC
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    AnonoMouse wrote: »
    Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?

    Placebos work on lab mice?


  • #40
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    RichieC wrote: »
    Placebos work on lab mice?

    I'm a field mouse, so it's a little bit different for us.



    (I missed that bit in the report :o)


  • #41
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    AnonoMouse wrote: »
    Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?

    That's not really how the Placebo Effect works. It's a psychological phenomenon so I don't see how cannabis could "chemically trigger" it. The phenomenon usually involves people being told to take something that will work for fairly minor ailments and is affected by things such as method of delivery and size of dosage. The studies mentioned involve lab tests on cancerous cells and not surveys of people's subjective opinions.

    Anyway, if there is any merit to the idea that cannabis fights cancer, that's great. We could have a drug that could help countless people sitting right under our noses and the best part would be that nobody owns a patent for it. We should, however, probably wait for further research, clinical trials and all of that other science stuff before we throw away the Interferon and toke up.


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  • #42
    pragmatic1
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxrljsaGrqc


  • #43
    Oh_Noes
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    RichieC wrote: »
    Marinol.

    I think that's the US one, Sativex is the one they're in the process of licensing in the UK. (Produced by Beyer, one of the biggest multinational pharm companies). And it's not synthetic THC/CDB it's just a "tincture" which is plant extract dissolved in alcohol, the alcohol then evaporated off and replaced with a peppermint flavour solution. So kinda no different than tampered street weed and probably a lot more expensive.

    Sounds disgusting tbh and I wouldn't go near it even though I'm a medical cannabis patient.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l55mt0kJ9iY


  • #44
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    That's not really how the Placebo Effect works. It's a psychological phenomenon so I don't see how cannabis could "chemically trigger" it. The phenomenon usually involves people being told to take something that will work for fairly minor ailments and is affected by things such as method of delivery and size of dosage. The studies mentioned involve lab tests on cancerous cells and not surveys of people's subjective opinions.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-chemical-link-that-may-explain-the-placebo-effect-525153.html


  • #45
    jackiebaron
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    FatherLen wrote: »
    source:http://www.examiner.com/cannabis-revolution-in-national/cannabinoids-inhibit-glioma-cell-invasion-brain-cancer-studies


    so there is a pretty positive side affect of weed.

    If you've got a tumor that's inoperable you might as well smoke weed. Why be wrecked out of your brain on morphine when a bit of weed can ease the pain and slow the growth of the tumor.


  • #46
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Cannabis can also be applied as a topical cream to any skin conditions.
    It can be applied as a spray
    Eaten in food or in pill form and vaporised.

    I did watch something recently though that says cannabis is at it's most effective when smoked, it alters the chemical to be more beneficial.

    I'm pretty sure I heard it in this film.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1864412/


  • #47
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    AnonoMouse wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-chemical-link-that-may-explain-the-placebo-effect-525153.html

    What's your point? Your post proposed that there was something particular about cannabis that triggers the Placebo Effect. The article you linked to just shows a possible mechanism for it, with the subjects receiving a dose of saline solution.


  • #48
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    What's your point? Your post proposed that there was something particular about cannabis that triggers the Placebo Effect. The article you linked to just shows a possible mechanism for it, with the subjects receiving a dose of saline solution.

    My original point asked did or could cannabis be possibly chemically triggering the placebo effect.

    You replied the placebo effect was a psychological effect and not chemical.

    My reply was to introduce some evidence for the chemical basis of the placebo effect.

    That is my point.


  • #49
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    AnonoMouse wrote: »
    My original point asked did or could cannabis be possibly chemically triggering the placebo effect.

    You replied the placebo effect was a psychological effect and not chemical.

    My reply was to introduce some evidence for the chemical basis of the placebo effect.

    That is my point.

    No I replied that the Placebo Effect was not chemically triggered. I never said that it could not involve any chemical processes, since it is both not known for sure how it works and indeed it would stand to reason that there was some chemical process involved.

    Your post asked if it could be triggered by cannabis by some chemical means. The Placebo Effect is mysterious because it works when patients receive doses of substances we know to have no chemical effect.

    You are either asking if cannabis has a Placebo Effect or if it causes some kind of response from the body through the introduction of chemicals. It cannot be both.


  • #50
    AnonoMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭AnonoMouse


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    No I replied that the Placebo Effect was not chemically triggered. I never said that it could not involve any chemical processes, since it is both not known for sure how it works and indeed it would stand to reason that there was some chemical process involved.
    Slightly contradictory.


    You are either asking if cannabis has a Placebo Effect or if it causes some kind of response from the body through the introduction of chemicals. It cannot be both.

    Any substance, word or action could have a placebo effect.

    I'm asking the second.


  • #51
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    AnonoMouse wrote: »
    Slightly contradictory.

    Not at all. We know that it is triggered by things which are physiologically inert. People who receive pills of saline or sugar (which we know have no direct effect on the given ailment) report relief from pain and similar effects. What's more, the degree to which they are effective depends on things such as taking a bigger pill versus a smaller one (the bigger one having a greater effect) or receiving an injection versus taking a pill (the injection once again being more effective). What we are not sure of, however, is what exactly happens once the dose is taken. Is that clear?


    Any substance, word or action could have a placebo effect.

    I'm asking the second.

    Brilliant! So then your question has nothing to do with the Placebo Effect. In my first response, I was only trying to inform you that you were asking two different questions. I was trying to help.


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  • #52
    Hookah
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    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/current-affairs/legalising-drugs/-2065839.html


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