thc helps stop tumour growth

FatherLen

Researchers in Spain publish juicy studies such as this one: Cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa L. and their derivatives, inhibit tumor growth in laboratory animals by inducing apoptosis of tumor cells and impairing tumor angiogenesis.

source:http://www.examiner.com/cannabis-revolution-in-national/cannabinoids-inhibit-glioma-cell-invasion-brain-cancer-studies


so there is a pretty positive side affect of weed.

Biggins

Death also stops growth - but I'd only chose that method as a last resort.
...Not that you could take it as a first option!

biko

The findings also have been mentioned in the current Politics thread Cannabis should be legalized in Ireland To pull Our country out of ression.

Sykk

FatherLen wrote: »

so there is a pretty positive side affect of weed.

It aint the only good side affect :pac:

RachaelVO

So I wasn't just getting stoned? I was fighting crime tumours???

COOL:cool:

The Munky

If Boards were on the ball they would have a poll on this site and ask the audience....

T'would provoke interesting debate...

Nation:

Are you for legalisation or against it? simples

minidazzler

In before someone says "It's illegal so it should be illegal."

The_Minister

Let us hope that these beneficial effects can be seperated and extracted to provide them to those who need them, without the damage caused to the body by the necessity of smoking.

I'm sure one of the drug companies will be able to come up with something soon.

The Munky

LOL @ Minister...

and they said sarcasm doesn't travel over the net....

Jagle

they already tried, it doesnt work, and why do we have to spend billions trying to extract stuff from a plant, and synthesize it, when we can just smoke it,
and look into bongs, which remove some badness, or vaporizers the best way to smoke without getting the harmful effects of the smoke

stimpson

The_Minister wrote: »

Let us hope that these beneficial effects can be seperated and extracted to provide them to those who need them, without the damage caused to the body by the necessity of smoking.

I'm sure one of the drug companies will be able to come up with something soon.

I've yet to see evidence that smoking canabis is as harmful as smoking cigarettes. In any case, there are other ways to ingest it. Why should we pay big pharma money for something that literally grows on trees?

The_Minister

stimpson wrote: »

I've yet to see evidence that smoking canabis is as harmful as smoking cigarettes. In any case, there are other ways to ingest it. Why should we pay big pharma money for something that literally grows on trees?

They can access the parts of cannabis that make it a curative and purify them. Never underestimate the benefits of controlled doses and the certainty as to the amounts being taken.
Hopefully these beneficial properties can be expanded with further research and development.

Also, the medical benefits can be seperated from the part of cannabis that makes you high, allowing these people to drive and otherwise lead productive lives.

Sergeant

stimpson wrote: »

I've yet to see evidence that smoking canabis is as harmful as smoking cigarettes. In any case, there are other ways to ingest it. Why should we pay big pharma money for something that literally grows on trees?

Because the pharmaceutical companies may be able to refine the process of ingestion. And minimise the side-effects of cannabis use, especially amongst the young.

http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738.abstract?sid=302d49f0-7ad5-4546-a853-0aedd4b3744b

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0302/breaking16.html

The Munky

Boo Yaa @ stimpson, there ya go son, you tell him Minister.

BTW, shouldn't we discuss more then the applications for THC and discuss hemp as the most likely part of the plant to play a part in 'ending' a recession.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

Sarn

The article is three years old so I'm sure someone has used this in support of legalisation. It appears that the cannabinoids were administered locally, so it implies an injectable administration. Also the analogue that they used in mice was devoid of psychoactive effects.

Oranage2

Cannabis is the gateway drug to heroin. no wonder so many people are on the dole with this drug so ripe within our society!

stimpson

The_Minister wrote: »

They can access the parts of cannabis that make it a curative and purify them. Never underestimate the benefits of controlled doses and the certainty as to the amounts being taken.
Hopefully these beneficial properties can be expanded with further research and development.

Also, the medical benefits can be seperated from the part of cannabis that makes you high, allowing these people to drive and otherwise lead productive lives.

The bit that get's you high IS the THC (as well as Cannabidiol). There are already systhisised cannabinoids available under licence in the UK. For many applications they are not anywhere near as effective as smoking grass.

The Munky

ignorance is bliss...

stimpson

Oranage2 wrote: »

Cannabis is the gateway drug to heroin. no wonder so many people are on the dole with this drug so ripe within our society!

:rolleyes:

Tea is the real gateway drug. 99.9% of heroin users started on tea.

Yakult

No doubt, general public wont ever hear about that nor many other benefits.

Instead silly statements like the quote below is the way cannabis is broadcasted to the public.
"Sure if he says it on the radio it has to be true :rolleyes:

Oranage2 wrote: »

Cannabis is the gateway drug to heroin. no wonder so many people are on the dole with this drug so ripe within our society!

lol:D

refusetolose

Oranage2 wrote: »

Cannabis is the gateway drug to heroin. no wonder so many people are on the dole with this drug so ripe within our society!

lol

dj jarvis

my cardiologist ( who is one of European leading lights in his field ) told me after my 3rd heart attack that smoking PURE grass would not affect my heart , its the tobacco that will kill you every time .

i was a heavy cannabis smoker from my teenage years till a few years ago , had no mental or social affect on my life ( never jailed - own business - family - yada yada ) but did nearly kill me by blocking my arteries and causing heart attacks

its crazy that cannabis's medicinal property's are kicked 2 touch so easily because of the 1950's mentality that it will kill ya and make us all mental so stay well away brigade, ignorance and line towing at its worst

a radio interview with the head of the ashling project had me nearly having a stroke when i heard it , such narrow self centered views that were being sold as fact , i could hardly contain my rage at this self interested propaganda.

the main tenant of her argument was the mental issues that SOME smokers get from its use , now forgive me but does the legal drug alcohol not cause more social issues than cannabis ? so why is that not banned ?

i just got out of 4 days in hospital and i was in a ward with 7 other cardiac patients and every one was in with knackered hearts - and every one was a smoker and drinker - costing the HSE a fortune ( as i did ) from smoking ( with tobacco included ), yet smokes are legal , why ?

The law makers , lobby groups and people employed in the mental health industry have a vested interest 2 keep this possibly beneficial substance on the scare list - if its legal they lose votes and jobs - in my opinion this is the only reason why is not legal

if they really cared for the nations health and well being , alcohol and cigarettes would be made illegal tomorrow - they dont and wont
so dont hold your breath on the dreaded weed being legalized anytime soon

The Munky

The law makers , lobby groups and people employed in the mental health industry have a vested interest 2 keep this possibly beneficial substance on the scare list - if its legal they loose votes and jobs - in my opinion this is the only reason why is not legal

BOARDS.IE ????

Any chance of a poll? Y/N on this debate?

refusetolose

Oranage2 wrote: »

Cannabis is the gateway drug to heroin. no wonder so many people are on the dole with this drug so ripe within our society!

black market cigarettes are the gateway to pirated dvds

whoopdedoo

Jagle wrote: »

they already tried, it doesnt work, and why do we have to spend billions trying to extract stuff from a plant, and synthesize it, when we can just smoke it,
and look into bongs, which remove some badness, or vaporizers the best way to smoke without getting the harmful effects of the smoke

the tabs they're selling now have extract in the flipping things!! we're told we can't grow or smoke flowers that contain thc yet the same illegal thc is ok in a tab form costing those in the uk £10 a day!!

in my opinion the only reason it hasn't been approved here yet is the further blurring of the lines of sanity trying to explain this oxymoron

whoopdedoo

Sergeant wrote: »

Because the pharmaceutical companies may be able to refine the process of ingestion. And minimise the side-effects of cannabis use, especially amongst the young.

http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d738.abstract?sid=302d49f0-7ad5-4546-a853-0aedd4b3744b

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0302/breaking16.html

and it only took them 50+ years to come up with some bull to justify they're the only ones that should be trusted when it comes to thc

wigga please!

Jagle

whoopdedoo wrote: »

the tabs they're selling now have extract in the flipping things!! we're told we can't grow or smoke flowers that contain thc yet the same illegal thc is ok in a tab form costing those in the uk £10 a day!!

in my opinion the only reason it hasn't been approved here yet is the further blurring of the lines of sanity trying to explain this oxymoron

indeed its a joke, all while fueling criminal activity

just let those who want to grow like spain, problem solved

Sergeant

whoopdedoo wrote: »

and it only took them 50+ years to come up with some bull to justify they're the only ones that should be trusted when it comes to thc

wigga please!

To be honest, I'd rather place my faith in the following:

Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University Medical Center, Maastricht, Netherlands
King’s College London, King’s Health Partners, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
Department of Psychology, Division of Epidemiology and Health Psychology, University of Basel, Switzerland
Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry, Munich, Germany
Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technical University Dresden, Germany

than the opinions of someone on a message board.

AnonoMouse

Sergeant wrote: »

To be honest, I'd rather place my faith in the following:

Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University Medical Center, Maastricht, Netherlands
King’s College London, King’s Health Partners, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
Department of Psychology, Division of Epidemiology and Health Psychology, University of Basel, Switzerland
Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry, Munich, Germany
Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technical University Dresden, Germany

than the opinions of someone on a message board.

Somebody had to mention the eurons.

stimpson

Sergeant wrote: »

To be honest, I'd rather place my faith in the following:

Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University Medical Center, Maastricht, Netherlands
King’s College London, King’s Health Partners, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
Department of Psychology, Division of Epidemiology and Health Psychology, University of Basel, Switzerland
Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry, Munich, Germany
Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technical University Dresden, Germany

than the opinions of someone on a message board.

How about Prof David Nutt, psychiatrist and neuropsychopharmacologist and former UK government advisor?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8334774.stm

RichieC

stimpson wrote: »

How about Prof David Nutt, psychiatrist and neuropsychopharmacologist and former UK government advisor?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8334774.stm

Obviously a hippy.

dj jarvis

Sergeant wrote: »

To be honest, I'd rather place my faith in the following:

Department of Psychiatry and Neuropsychology, South Limburg Mental Health Research and Teaching Network, EURON, Maastricht University Medical Center, Maastricht, Netherlands
King’s College London, King’s Health Partners, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
Department of Psychology, Division of Epidemiology and Health Psychology, University of Basel, Switzerland
Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry, Munich, Germany
Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy, Technical University Dresden, Germany

than the opinions of someone on a message board.

granted these eminent instantiations have shown a link between cannabis and mental health issues , but if you work on this logic then all these said places have also proved that alcohol does the same thing for a much larger percentage of the population , so ban the demon drink

a very small amount of users have ANY issues other than the smoking related issues from regular use , so again if you use this logic smoking should be banned right away

as i see it , cannabis use causes less harm 2 the population than the legal drugs , either it should be legal or the others should be illegal because its backwards and hypocritical to leave it as it is , as i said in my earlier post its down to votes and jobs

Christ if they only looked at the criminal aspect of the sale of cannabis this should be a reason for the legalization of it , no cash for criminal gangs from its sale , less reason for the RIRA to shoot people for its sale

i have been to Holland many times and one thing i have never been offered for sale by a street dealer is cannabis , why ? because they cant make money from it because its legal , so no money for mister child trafficing gun toting scum bag from hash

less people use harder drugs by a factor of ten , so frees up resources to tackle class A drug use and supply , lets face it a FORTUNE is wasted busting smokers and small dealers of hash , wasted time and cash

and 2 top it all it could be VERY beneficial for many medical ailments .
i have yet 2 hear a compelling reason why it is not controlled by the
medical council / the state for sale in pharmacies .

RichieC

stimpson wrote: »

The bit that get's you high IS the THC (as well as Cannabidiol). There are already systhisised cannabinoids available under licence in the UK. For many applications they are not anywhere near as effective as smoking grass.

Marinol.

whoopdedoo

RichieC wrote: »

Marinol.

ah marinol, 4 recorded deaths from it yet not one death in the history of man from cannabis!!

for the love of...!!!!!

ilovesleep

The_Minister wrote: »

Let us hope that these beneficial effects can be seperated and extracted to provide them to those who need them, without the damage caused to the body by the necessity of smoking.

I'm sure one of the drug companies will be able to come up with something soon.

I was watching a documentry about cannabis.

Cannabis is inhaled as a steam. No smoking involved. As far as I can remember there is a special pot, much like a baby bottle sterilizer, in which the cannabis is added to and the contents is boiled. The pot would have a valve in which a medical oxygen mask would be added too. The mask would have a long hose so that there is no fear of scalding. The pot can be left on the counter so that there is no need to carry it about and the person can sit down as he/she is taking his/her treatment.
Edit - thats cannabis for medical use.

AnonoMouse

ilovesleep wrote: »

I was watching a documentry about cannabis.

Cannabis is inhaled as a steam. No smoking involved. As far as I can remember there is a special pot, much like a baby bottle sterilizer, in which the cannabis is added to and the contents is boiled. The pot would have a valve in which a medical oxygen mask would be added too. The mask would have a long hose so that there is no fear of scalding. The pot can be left on the counter so that there is no need to carry it about and the person can sit down as he/she is taking his/her treatment.

That sounds like a vaporiser.

There are new-fangled, electronic varieties available.

Yours sounds a bit old-school.

RichieC

whoopdedoo wrote: »

ah marinol, 4 recorded deaths from it yet not one death in the history of man from cannabis!!

for the love of...!!!!!

Hadn't heard about that... interesting...

AnonoMouse

Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?

RichieC

AnonoMouse wrote: »

Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?

Placebos work on lab mice?

AnonoMouse

RichieC wrote: »

Placebos work on lab mice?

I'm a field mouse, so it's a little bit different for us.



(I missed that bit in the report )

RussellTuring

AnonoMouse wrote: »

Is it possible that cannabis, since it seems fairly ubiquitous in it's medical benefits, somehow chemically utilises or triggers the mysterious placebo effect?

That's not really how the Placebo Effect works. It's a psychological phenomenon so I don't see how cannabis could "chemically trigger" it. The phenomenon usually involves people being told to take something that will work for fairly minor ailments and is affected by things such as method of delivery and size of dosage. The studies mentioned involve lab tests on cancerous cells and not surveys of people's subjective opinions.

Anyway, if there is any merit to the idea that cannabis fights cancer, that's great. We could have a drug that could help countless people sitting right under our noses and the best part would be that nobody owns a patent for it. We should, however, probably wait for further research, clinical trials and all of that other science stuff before we throw away the Interferon and toke up.

pragmatic1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxrljsaGrqc

Oh_Noes

RichieC wrote: »

Marinol.

I think that's the US one, Sativex is the one they're in the process of licensing in the UK. (Produced by Beyer, one of the biggest multinational pharm companies). And it's not synthetic THC/CDB it's just a "tincture" which is plant extract dissolved in alcohol, the alcohol then evaporated off and replaced with a peppermint flavour solution. So kinda no different than tampered street weed and probably a lot more expensive.

Sounds disgusting tbh and I wouldn't go near it even though I'm a medical cannabis patient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l55mt0kJ9iY

AnonoMouse

RussellTuring wrote: »

That's not really how the Placebo Effect works. It's a psychological phenomenon so I don't see how cannabis could "chemically trigger" it. The phenomenon usually involves people being told to take something that will work for fairly minor ailments and is affected by things such as method of delivery and size of dosage. The studies mentioned involve lab tests on cancerous cells and not surveys of people's subjective opinions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-chemical-link-that-may-explain-the-placebo-effect-525153.html

jackiebaron

FatherLen wrote: »

source:http://www.examiner.com/cannabis-revolution-in-national/cannabinoids-inhibit-glioma-cell-invasion-brain-cancer-studies


so there is a pretty positive side affect of weed.

If you've got a tumor that's inoperable you might as well smoke weed. Why be wrecked out of your brain on morphine when a bit of weed can ease the pain and slow the growth of the tumor.

ScumLord

Cannabis can also be applied as a topical cream to any skin conditions.
It can be applied as a spray
Eaten in food or in pill form and vaporised.

I did watch something recently though that says cannabis is at it's most effective when smoked, it alters the chemical to be more beneficial.

I'm pretty sure I heard it in this film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1864412/

RussellTuring

AnonoMouse wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-chemical-link-that-may-explain-the-placebo-effect-525153.html

What's your point? Your post proposed that there was something particular about cannabis that triggers the Placebo Effect. The article you linked to just shows a possible mechanism for it, with the subjects receiving a dose of saline solution.

AnonoMouse

RussellTuring wrote: »

What's your point? Your post proposed that there was something particular about cannabis that triggers the Placebo Effect. The article you linked to just shows a possible mechanism for it, with the subjects receiving a dose of saline solution.

My original point asked did or could cannabis be possibly chemically triggering the placebo effect.

You replied the placebo effect was a psychological effect and not chemical.

My reply was to introduce some evidence for the chemical basis of the placebo effect.

That is my point.

RussellTuring

AnonoMouse wrote: »

My original point asked did or could cannabis be possibly chemically triggering the placebo effect.

You replied the placebo effect was a psychological effect and not chemical.

My reply was to introduce some evidence for the chemical basis of the placebo effect.

That is my point.

No I replied that the Placebo Effect was not chemically triggered. I never said that it could not involve any chemical processes, since it is both not known for sure how it works and indeed it would stand to reason that there was some chemical process involved.

Your post asked if it could be triggered by cannabis by some chemical means. The Placebo Effect is mysterious because it works when patients receive doses of substances we know to have no chemical effect.

You are either asking if cannabis has a Placebo Effect or if it causes some kind of response from the body through the introduction of chemicals. It cannot be both.

AnonoMouse

RussellTuring wrote: »

No I replied that the Placebo Effect was not chemically triggered. I never said that it could not involve any chemical processes, since it is both not known for sure how it works and indeed it would stand to reason that there was some chemical process involved.

Slightly contradictory.

You are either asking if cannabis has a Placebo Effect or if it causes some kind of response from the body through the introduction of chemicals. It cannot be both.

Any substance, word or action could have a placebo effect.

I'm asking the second.

RussellTuring

AnonoMouse wrote: »

Slightly contradictory.

Not at all. We know that it is triggered by things which are physiologically inert. People who receive pills of saline or sugar (which we know have no direct effect on the given ailment) report relief from pain and similar effects. What's more, the degree to which they are effective depends on things such as taking a bigger pill versus a smaller one (the bigger one having a greater effect) or receiving an injection versus taking a pill (the injection once again being more effective). What we are not sure of, however, is what exactly happens once the dose is taken. Is that clear?

Any substance, word or action could have a placebo effect.

I'm asking the second.

Brilliant! So then your question has nothing to do with the Placebo Effect. In my first response, I was only trying to inform you that you were asking two different questions. I was trying to help.