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A perfect example of why Gadaffi has to go! Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Has Ghadaffi maybe got a status bestowed upon him by students and blinkered members of the far left similar to that of Castro and Mao? (The one where all the human rights abuses against their own people are swept aside cus they're sockin' it to the Yanks and Brits - yeah!)

    That said, I don't agree with insurgencies from the west, but objection to those doesn't require defending him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    Makes you wish the Russians would pull the old "pirate maneuver" on Gadaffi :mad:
    Quiet you wrote: »
    Pirate maneuver?

    I recall hearing that the Russians were ordered to hand over pirates which they had captured after hijacking a Russian tanker.

    The Russians replied that they had simply 'lost' them :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Nothing else can display so clearly the oppression of a people than the image of a government official literally put his hand over the mouth of one of its crying citizens. Fúcking shameful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    Biggins wrote: »
    I would disagree.

    I tend to think a lot of people do care - SOME sometimes just don't react due to vested interests.
    ...Meanwhile a silent majority still do care!


    how many people have you known, or yourself, to loose sleep over this tho?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

    His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.
    Libya is far from one of the richest countries in the Middle East/North Africa
    This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

    These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests
    You do know the US and Britain previously supported Gaddaffi right?
    The rebellion was kicked off by people supporting the rebels in Egypt, the U.S. and Britain did not get involved, and are not leading any assaults, the French are.
    The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse
    The media has been against Gaddaffi for decades, and Al Jazeera can hardly be described as Western Media.
    And as far as I know, the U.S. and British governments are not in the habit of shooting it's citizens, wiping out entire cities just because they disagreed with a political power.
    Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

    Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

    Complete nonsense.
    The Irish Civil War ended some 70 years ago, the British were initially invited to rule Ireland, and though they did do horrible things to the Irish people, it was a long long time ago. It makes as much as sense as a Jew hating all of Germany for the crimes and holocaust in WW2.

    p.s.
    jackass


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭TheRevolution


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Women have very little rights in most muslim countries and rape is far from un-common, It's not really because of Gadaffi this happened!

    There is much, much more rape in African christian countries. Are you really trying to claim that rape is a muslim problem?

    Lets not even mention what Irish christian priests did......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Quiet you


    I recall hearing that the Russians were ordered to hand over pirates which they had captured after hijacking a Russian tanker.

    The Russians replied that they had simply 'lost' them :D

    Ah,much obliged. Consider that statement stolen.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    how many people have you known, or yourself, to loose sleep over this tho?
    Losing sleep is NOT the only indication that people care for goodness sake!
    If that is how you only judge things, that's like a horse wearing blinkers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Saw this on the television tonight. Gadaffi and all his henchmen should be ashamed of themselves. I fear for the woman, I don't think that she is going to be seen again. However, the image of her standing up against these brutes in front of the international media sends out a very strong message. She's a heroine.

    I really hope this rebellion is successful. People like Gadaffi have gotten far too used to their comforts. The sooner he and his accomplices are removed, the better for the civilians in that country. However, like someone said before, the real work starts after he is removed. Iraq is real lesson in how NOT to handle the dismantling of a dictatorship.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    Best thing now is just to blow up any house they think he is in and hope to kill him and his sons.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Shes a brave woman. Watching that earlier was disturbing. Hope Gadaffi gets hung..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,
    Are you serious?

    Gaddafi is a terrible "leader" (If you could even call him that). His diplomats have spent the past forty or so years trying to repair the damage he causes to his country's image each and every time he opens his mouth.
    His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.
    Far more secular and fair than what other North African country exactly?
    This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,
    How is throwing a country in to mad instability going going to allow them to take control of the oil trade?
    These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests
    You quite honestly have no idea of what's going on over there at the moment. It's best that you keep your Conspiracy Theories to the appropriate forum.
    The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse
    I don't recall Obama or Queen Elizabeth calling their citizens "bacteria" and "rats" that need to be cleansed "house by house".
    Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi
    We should be siding with a man who heartlessly kills anyone who opposes him?
    After all he is the only world leader to aidIreland the IRA when they were terrorising civilians
    FYP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    There is much, much more rape in African christian countries. Are you really trying to claim that rape is a muslim problem?

    Lets not even mention what Irish christian priests did......

    So what?

    just cause blacks, christians, asians, irish preists rape that makes it ok for muslims to do it too?

    I wasn't claiming Muslim countries are the only place rape happens, I was just stating that it is common for women not to have rights and that rape is common.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭sxt


    Biggins wrote: »
    Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'



    It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
    Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

    This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
    People are really living in fear, are being abused.
    I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
    This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped

    I''m not saying that what she claims did not happen , but her story as was stated "could not be verified". She could have been a ninja spy assasin for all we know.

    A few bizarre things that I find a bit curious...

    1.A roomful of journalists don't manage to get her name to identify her, to establish who she was? With this crucial information, they could investigated whether her story was true , and more than likely saved her life if it was true ?

    2.A roomful of journalists with hundreds of photographing equipment don't get any pics or footage of her "bruises" ?

    Would these two things not be the first two things a journalist would do?:confused:


    I am just basing this on the sky news link and video footage, as i can't find any other information on this story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    As much as I dislike Gaddafi, people can't just assume this whole incident to be genuine. For all we know it could be a set up by the rebels to try and weaken support for Gaddafi in the heart of Tripoli.

    The rebels against Gaddafi play just as slyly as the government forces. The only difference being that they lack organisation and the resources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Indeed. It is part of their culture so we must respect it. The Western war crimes against Libya must stop.

    Good grief.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭Fallschirmjager


    so we have a leader and his psycho family in Libya who murders, rapes, steals and destroys the lives of his citizens so we should invade and/or kill him

    we had a leader and his psycho family in Iraq who murders, rapes, steals, uses chemical weapons, murders by the tens of thousands and destroys the lives of his citizens but we were wrong to invade and kill him...

    im confused...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Biggins wrote: »
    Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'



    It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
    Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

    This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
    People are really living in fear, are being abused.
    I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
    This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped


    This is a Libyan issue. There are atrocities happening every day all over the world.
    Should that give foreign countries the right to bomb and kill?
    What is so just and fair and right about the U.S and its allies dropping
    millions of dollars worth of missiles onto this country and killing countless
    human beings?

    Did the West give a **** about Gadaffi and Libya last year, the year before and countless other years?

    So, why now? The bombing and killing by allied forces is creating generations of turmoil and unrest. It may look like it's solving something in the short term, but it will cause so much trouble down the road, and will spread throughout the middle east. It's a band aid, that is all. Leave them people alone; let them people decide their fate. Bombing and killing and terrorising a country to rid it of ONE man is insane....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    so we have a leader and his psycho family in Libya who murders, rapes, steals and destroys the lives of his citizens so we should invade and/or kill him

    we had a leader and his psycho family in Iraq who murders, rapes, steals, uses chemical weapons, murders by the tens of thousands and destroys the lives of his citizens but we were wrong to invade and kill him...

    im confused...

    I think the nature of the invasion of Iraq was slightly different. The US motivation for invasion was questionable at best. I don't think many people would be convinced that genuine concern for Iraqi civllians was at the heart of the decision to invade Iraq.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    That video is actually hard to watch without convulsing in anger. I was split on whether it was right to intervene but now the sooner they get rid of them scumbags the better I reckon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    walshb wrote: »
    This is a Libyan issue.

    Did the West give a **** about Gadaffi and Libya last year, the year before and countless other years?

    So, why now? The bombing and killing by allied forces is creating generations of turmoil and unrest. It may look like it's solving something in the short term, but it will cause so much trouble down the road, and will spread throughout the middle east. It's a band aid, that is all. Leave them people alone; let them people decide their fate. Bombing and killing and terrorising a country to rid it of ONE man is insane....
    Have you heard any of Gaddafi's recent speeches? By recent I mean pre-UN Resolution.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    sxt wrote: »
    I''m not saying that what she claims did not happen , but her story as was stated "could not be verified". She could have been a ninja spy assasin for all we know.

    A few bizarre things that I find a bit curious...

    1.A roomful of journalists don't manage to get her name to identify her, to establish who she was? With this crucial information, they could investigated whether her story was true , and more than likely saved her life if it was true ?

    2.A roomful of journalists with hundreds of photographing equipment don't get any pics or footage of her "bruises" ?

    Would these two things not be the first two things a journalist would do?:confused:


    I am just basing this on the sky news link and video footage, as i can't find any other information on this story

    Valid points.

    The poor woman was very anxious to get her story out. In between that and she being abused, threatened and hands put over her mouth while journalists were also threatened and blocked, she had barely time to speak never mind give her name and address. All she could managed to get out was where she was from before being hassled away.

    She showed them her body scars and all, naturally I assume some stations are not going to show that personal footage for obvious reason. They filmed for 15 minutes while many other thugs tried to stop her.

    A journalists first job is to ask questions.
    Given the visible amount of hassle they had even doing that, anything extra would have been a miracle.

    I accept that nothing should be 100% automatically accepted but IF she was lying, she would have to get an Oscar for her efforts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭sxt


    As much as I dislike Gaddafi, people can't just assume this whole incident to be genuine. For all we know it could be a set up by the rebels to try and weaken support for Gaddafi in the heart of Tripoli.

    It looks a bit on the staged side at this point in time. I don't believe dozens of reporters don't ask her for her name, to idenitfy who this person is ...so they can follow up on the story and verify it...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    walshb wrote: »
    ...Bombing and killing and terrorising a country to rid it of ONE man is insane....

    ...But its not just one man, its a clearly oppressive system that has many times lied to the extent of blowing airline planes out of the air, that willingly hand over weapons of death to others, that allows and probably expands the disgusting system of female repressions, torturing and rapes and many more other possible terrible crimes against humanity.

    I get your point about intrusive other nations just jumping in - but I would also argue that its would be just as big a moral crime to stand by the side a road and just watch such things happen, without at least trying to do something.

    Right now, anything that can be done, is better than nothing at all!
    And up to now, thats what the dying victims have gotten.
    At least now there is SOME small chance of things improving - where there was certainly PREVIOUSLY, no chance at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭Fallschirmjager


    I think the nature of the invasion of Iraq was slightly different. The US motivation for invasion was questionable at best. I don't think many people would be convinced that genuine concern for Iraqi civllians was at the heart of the decision to invade Iraq.

    so the 'media' supports this war for oil...but didnt support the last one that they said was about oil...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭sxt


    Biggins wrote: »
    Valid points.

    The poor woman was very anxious to get her story out. In between that and she being abused, threatened and hands put over her mouth while journalists were also threatened and blocked, she had barely time to speak never mind give her name and address. All she could managed to get out was where she was from before being hassled away.

    She showed them her body scars and all, naturally I assume some stations are not going to show that personal footage for obvious reason. They filmed for 15 minutes while many other thugs tried to stop her.

    A journalists first job is to ask questions.
    Given the visible amount of hassle they had even doing that, anything extra would have been a miracle.

    I accept that nothing should be 100% automatically accepted but IF she was lying, she would have to get an Oscar for her efforts!

    I don't understand why she wouldn't scream her name repeatedly to all the cameras, show her bruises when no one was handling her etc

    If the reporters believe her then they get her name, and move the story forward and put pressure to get her safe release. None of it makes sense to me thus far..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    sxt wrote: »
    I''m not saying that what she claims did not happen , but her story as was stated "could not be verified". She could have been a ninja spy assasin for all we know.

    A few bizarre things that I find a bit curious...

    1.A roomful of journalists don't manage to get her name to identify her, to establish who she was? With this crucial information, they could investigated whether her story was true , and more than likely saved her life if it was true ?

    2.A roomful of journalists with hundreds of photographing equipment don't get any pics or footage of her "bruises" ?

    Would these two things not be the first two things a journalist would do?:confused:


    I am just basing this on the sky news link and video footage, as i can't find any other information on this story

    Libyan Woman bursts into hotel to tell her story of rape
    Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Breakfast at a Tripoli hotel housing international journalists took a decidedly grim turn Saturday when a desperate Libyan woman burst into the building frantic to let the world know she had been raped and beaten by Moammar Gadhafi's militia.
    Her face was heavily bruised. So were her legs. She displayed blood on her right inner thigh.
    She said her name was Eman al-Obeidy. She was well-dressed and appeared to be a well-to-do middle-aged woman. She spoke in English and said she was from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi and had been picked up by Gadhafi's men at a checkpoint east of Tripoli.
    She sobbed and said she was held against her will for two days and raped by 15 men. She showed the journalists how she had been tied at her wrists and ankles. She had visible rope burns.
    CNN could not independently verify al-Obeidy's story but her injuries appeared consistent with what she said.
    Government officials quickly closed in to stifle her. But she persisted, wanting the journalists, staying at the Rixos Hotel, to see Gadhafi's brutality firsthand.
    International journalists, including CNN's staff, are not allowed to move freely in the Libyan capital and are escorted out of the hotel only on organized outings by government minders. This was the first time a Libyan opposed to Gadhafi attempted to independently approach the journalists here.
    What followed was a disturbing scene of how Gadhafi's government operates.
    Security forces moved to subdue the woman. Even a member of the hotel's kitchen staff drew a knife. "Traitor!" he shouted at her in contempt. Another staffer tried to put a dark tablecloth over her head.
    One government official, who was there to facilitate access for journalists, pulled a pistol from his belt. Others scuffled with the journalists, manhandling them to the ground in an attempt to wrestle away their equipment. Some journalists were beaten and kicked. CNN's camera was confiscated and deliberately smashed beyond repair.
    Security men said al-Obeidy was "mentally ill" and was being taken to a "hospital." They dragged her unceremoniously to a waiting white car.
    She kicked and screamed. She insisted she was being carted off to prison.
    The journalists believed al-Obeidy's life to be in danger and several of them demanded to see her. At a news conference later, they challenged Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim on what they had experienced.
    Kaim told them that authorities were investigating the incident. "We will let you know," he said.
    Later, a government spokesman said al-Obeidy was "safe" and "doing well." He said her case was a criminal one -- not political -- and that she has been offered legal aid.
    But his assurances did little to assure the journalists who had witnessed Gadhafi's firm and pervasive grip on Libyan society. A woman who dared to speak against him was quickly silenced. Journalists who dared to tell her story paid a price.
    It was one tale that perhaps went a long way in illuminating the need to protect Libya's people.

    Of course her story is unsubstantiated. Do you really think that the journalists will be allowed the freedom to investigate it? Whether it is a set-up or not, it shows how Gaddafi's regime deals with people.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    sxt wrote: »
    I don't understand why she wouldn't scream her name repeatedly to all the cameras, show her bruises when no one was handling her etc

    If the reporters believe her then they get her name, and move the story forward and put pressure to get her safe release. None of it makes sense to me thus far..

    We have a woman that was possibly beaten and raped for god knows how long, is suffering traumas that we also only could possibly begin to imagine - and she wanted to tell about what was going on!

    Would you ever think for one decent second and realise that if she had been give the time to actually speak in between threats, weapons put to her, hand coverings, male and females shouting abuses at her into her face and right into her ear repeatedly, being tried to be dragged away continuously and trying in the meanwhile just trying to cope with her possible damaged body and mind and get her story out, that she wasn't exactly thinking the way a non-suffering person would think?

    Would you have done better in a similar situation - if so, your a hell of a better person than most.
    Good for you!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    so the 'media' supports this war for oil...but didnt support the last one that they said was about oil...

    If it was a war purely about oil, surely it would be in the best interests of the US and the rest to do everything to keep Gadaffi in? He's quite happy to hand out barrels of oil to everyone. I think if there's anything shady about the intervention, it's maybe that the US, UK and France just kinda want to be seen to be protecting democratic ideals and all that. There's been such intense attention given to Libya since this all kicked off, if the UN did nothing it would confirm to everyone that they're completely useless. I'm not 100% sure that the intervention is the right thing to do (there doesn't seem to be any plan once Gadaffi is removed), but I'm glad that civilians are being protected and that the UN are doing something to help them. It's better than allowing that lunatic to run amok.
    The difference with Iraq is that the US completely changed what was intended to be an "genuine" war against Afghanistan for an attack committed on US soil into an inexplicable war against Iraq, with no genuine reason given as to why the decision was made to invade. Sure, I'd say there are a lot of Americans who don't even know the difference between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, it's been that easy to mix up in people's minds what the fight is even about. The situation in Libya does not seem to be an obvious attempt to get oil or export American values across the Middle East (which is what Iraq looks like). They're just controlling airspace, it's not like they've full-on invaded the country and taken over the whole gaff, they're just offering support to the rebels. More will become clear later, I suppose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭sxt


    Biggins wrote: »
    We have a woman that was possibly beaten and raped for god knows how long, is suffering traumas that we also only could possibly begin to imagine - and she wanted to tell about what was going on!

    Would you ever think for one decent second and realise that if she had been give the time to actually speak in between threats, weapons put to her, hand coverings, male and females shouting abuses at her in to her face and right into here ear repeatedly, being tried to be dragged away and trying in the meanwhile just trying to cope with her possible damaged body and mind and get her story out, that she wasn't exactly thinking the way a non-suffering person would think?

    Would you have done better in a similar situation - if so, your a hell of a better person than most.
    Good for you!

    Well she did manage to give her name to the reporters as you have read above ...


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