A perfect example of why Gadaffi has to go! Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'

Biggins

Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'

A shocking scene occurred in Tripoli on Saturday when a gun was pointed at Sky News after a woman tried to tell foreign journalists about being raped and tortured by Libyan officials.

A visibly very distressed woman burst into the breakfast room of the hotel where we are staying and attempted to speak out about an ordeal at the hands of Gaddafi supporters.
As correspondents here in Tripoli under the supervision of the Libyan government, we are not allowed to move around freely.
However, it has become apparent to those in the city that there are a clutch of journalists in two hotels.
We were having breakfast in our hotel when the woman broke in and said she'd been picked up at a checkpoint in the city.

She claimed she had been held for two days, and that she had been raped and tortured.
The woman showed marks on her body which she said she had received as a result of beatings by the people who were holding her, Gaddafi supporters.
She showed marks on her legs and on her wrists, which she suggested came from handcuffs.
In a state of great distress, she said she had suffered this beating because she was from Benghazi, the city where the uprising began in the east of the country.

As journalists tried to speak to her, things got out of control and the police minders waded in, trying to physically shut her up and stop her talking.
Hers is not the voice they want heard in this country. In the commotion a gun was pointed towards the Sky News team in an attempt to stop them filming.
A team from another news organisation had their camera smashed in front of them.

After about 15 minutes the woman was dragged outside the hotel and put into a waiting car.
As I tried to get in the way, a minder put his hand over the woman's mouth to stop her talking.
She was driven away at speed and we have no idea where she was taken. Her story could not be immediately verified, but the scene provided glimpse of the atmosphere in the city.
Government officials initially said they knew nothing about this woman, although another official later added the woman's mental health would be assessed.

It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
People are really living in fear, are being abused.
I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped

Quiet you

I saw that on Al Jazira and couldn't get over how brave she was. It must have taken some balls to go to a government controlled hotel full of foregin journolists and lift her clothes to show her injuries.

Hopefully with all the coverage they won't disappear her.

Biggins

Quiet you wrote: »

...Hopefully with all the coverage they won't disappear her.

So do I but I fear the worst!
Under that lunatic and his sons, she would certainly would not be the first.

It was shocking to watch her being shouted at close up into her ears, to shut up, threatened, pushed around and then they tried repeatedly to physically cover her mouth with their hands with further abusing her till they hauled her into a car.

Really shocking stuff - and if they would do that with cameras there, what would they be doing when they got her back to where they dragged her off to!

Oranage2

Women have very little rights in most muslim countries and rape is far from un-common, It's not really because of Gadaffi this happened!



EDIT: Not to take away from the video as is it very shocking and sad seeing the lady in so much distress

enfant terrible

Doesn't matter how brutal he is some people will always see the west as the bad guy.

Raging_Ninja

Oranage2 wrote: »

Women have very little rights in most muslim countries and rape is far from un-common, It's not really because of Gadaffi this happened!

Indeed. It is part of their culture so we must respect it. The Western war crimes against Libya must stop.

whiteboy

I think gadaffi should be saddam husseined

Biggins

Oranage2 wrote: »

Women have very little rights in most muslim countries and rape is far from un-common, It's not really because of Gadaffi this happened!

Very true in too many cases - however I would add that under people of low mentality of this one man and this thugs who appear to think they can get away with anything, will continue to do so while the world stays silent and does nothing.

By steeping up in opposition, if any such thugs are deterred at all, such people/females, etc would at least stand a better chance - no matter how slight more - of seeking and getting some sort of justice.

enfant terrible wrote: »

Doesn't matter how brutal he is some people will always see the west as the bad guy.

Aye, while sometimes there might/might not be truth in the accusation, there is also sometimes good reason why the West is also sometimes right too!

...But those raving against the West, are all too quick and willing to forget that important fact for the sake of their own violent means and ends.

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Indeed. It is part of their culture so we must respect it. The Western war crimes against Libya must stop.

Frankly that post shows a total ignorance of valuing and respecting any decency of human rights and total mis-comprehension of the current situation.

RichieC

enfant terrible wrote: »

Doesn't matter how brutal he is some people will always see the west as the bad guy.

:rolleyes: it's not an either/or as you very likely well know. If you don't I'm terribly sorry for bothering your little head.

Dudess

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It is part of their culture so we must respect it.

Good satire!

Captain_Generic

Quiet you wrote: »

Hopefully with all the coverage they won't disappear her.

Makes you wish the Russians would pull the old "pirate maneuver" on Gadaffi :mad:

enfant terrible

RichieC wrote: »

:rolleyes: it's not an either/or as you very likely well know. If you don't I'm terribly sorry for bothering your little head.

Never said it was calm down.

mike65

Just saw it on Al Jezza, she took a hell of a risk, that she was willing to take that risk is a hopeful sign.

Biggins

mike65 wrote: »

Just saw it on Al Jezza, she took a hell of a risk, that she was willing to take that risk is a hopeful sign.

Hopefully it will lend/reinforce support from the Arab countries as to getting finally rid of this one evil man - and his thugs.

That video footage certainly will be shown around the world.
I hope it helps to save her life.

Quiet you

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Makes you wish the Russians would pull the old "pirate maneuver" on Gadaffi :mad:

Pirate maneuver?

It seems the first one to try and silence her was a woman that works at the hotel. She held a knife to her face and called her a traitor.

Hopefully she won't be harmed though. The government forces seem to have realised that it's been seen throughout the world and are saying now that they recognise it as a criminal act and are investigating it. They even said they'll take her back to the hotel once she calms down.

I doubt they will but it may protect her from the end she could otherwise meet.

x in the city

Biggins wrote: »

Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'



It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
People are really living in fear, are being abused.
I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped

that muslim weirdo and his weirdo extermist friends who like shooting ak 47s in the sky should be banished from earth with a north korean super nuke.

then we could resume normal duties

Mrmoe

Will getting rid of Gadaffi actually stop incidences like this from occuring? I don't think so. Gadaffi has to go alright but the process must not stop there. If any lessons were learned from Iraq, it is that the work really begins after the tyrannical dictator is removed from power. I hope for the sake of the woman that the Gadaffi regime is shamed into freeing the poor woman.

LighterGuy

Its a cold world we live in.

Lets be honest. This woman was drove away and killed.
The sky news reporter probably doesnt care about her but sees this as a great story.


this world is terrible.

LighterGuy

Mrmoe wrote: »

Will getting rid of Gadaffi actually stop incidences like this from occuring? I don't think so. Gadaffi has to go alright but the process must not stop there. If any lessons were learned from Iraq, it is that the work really begins after the tyrannical dictator is removed from power. I hope for the sake of the woman that the Gadaffi regime is shamed into freeing the poor woman.

How many times has an evil person (dictator, person in power etc) been removed and only for another evil person to take his place over time?

cruel cycle.

Biggins

Mrmoe wrote: »

Will getting rid of Gadaffi actually stop incidences like this from occuring? I don't think so.

Sadly your right but at least we can start somewhere in each episode of terrible goings on.

Mrmoe wrote: »

...Gadaffi has to go alright but the process must not stop there. If any lessons were learned from Iraq, it is that the work really begins after the tyrannical dictator is removed from power.

Very true.

Mrmoe wrote: »

...I hope for the sake of the woman that the Gadaffi regime is shamed into freeing the poor woman.

Hear, hear...

My suspicious nature makes me thing that she will be threatened (or her family) into re-appearing (if she does) and made retract anything she has previously said.
She will then be bundled away again, probably never to be seen again just in case later she tries to speak out yet again, about intimidation methods!

Gerry Asstrix

Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.

This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests

The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

Dudess

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

Don't be silly. Read again what happened to that woman, and ponder over whether there's something wrong with you that you would defend a regime under which something like that happens.

prinz

LighterGuy wrote: »

Lets be honest. This woman was drove away and killed. The sky news reporter probably doesnt care about her but sees this as a great story. this world is terrible.

In a way it is a great news story. The Gadaffi regime has wiped out opposition by means of summary executions - often times before a captive audience and broadcast on TV while the rest of the world worried about news items like Jordan's latest marriage problems.

It's likely the woman met a horrible fate but she did what she did precisely so that her story would be broadcast, you can't hold that against the reporters on the ground.

prinz

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

... we should be siding with Ghaddafi

LOL. Wonderful.

Biggins

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.

This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests

The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

And having said all that - and you do/might have some valid points - does that STILL mean he should get away with what he (and his thugs) is going to his own people?
80+ people died today alone in Ajdadiya and current independent estimates out his killing spree into the thousands.

Should the rest of the world just shut-up and look the other way?
I certainly don't want my government to!

LighterGuy

Biggins wrote: »

I certainly don't want my government to!

this is all about looking out for ones own interests (oil supply) ... fact is, your average joe doesnt care about whats going on over there cause it doesnt effect them. Like most things in life. If it doesnt involve you, people dont care.

Oranage2

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.

This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests

The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

Wrong!!!

Eygpt
Morroco
Algeria

All have better econemies!!

Happy Monday

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

Help Ireland - is this when 95% of Irish people opposed the IRA?

Gaddafi made peace with both the US and UK some years back.

And paid massive reparations to the families of the dead of Lockerbie to allow sanctions to be removed on the sale of his oil.

prinz

LighterGuy wrote: »

this is all about looking out for ones own interests (oil supply) ... fact is, your average joe doesnt care about whats going on over there cause it doesnt effect them. Like most things in life. If it doesnt involve you, people dont care.

You'll find most people do care. Usually those that don't indulge in conspiracy theories.

mike65

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

Another trot provo fan boy. Given the provos main victims were civilians the mad Colonels help is hardly something to note approvingly of.

Biggins

LighterGuy wrote: »

this is all about looking out for ones own interests (oil supply) ... fact is, your average joe doesnt care about whats going on over there cause it doesnt effect them. Like most things in life. If it doesnt involve you, people dont care.

I would disagree.

I tend to think a lot of people do care - SOME sometimes just don't react due to vested interests.
...Meanwhile a silent majority still do care!

Dudess

Has Ghadaffi maybe got a status bestowed upon him by students and blinkered members of the far left similar to that of Castro and Mao? (The one where all the human rights abuses against their own people are swept aside cus they're sockin' it to the Yanks and Brits - yeah!)

That said, I don't agree with insurgencies from the west, but objection to those doesn't require defending him.

Captain_Generic

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Makes you wish the Russians would pull the old "pirate maneuver" on Gadaffi :mad:

Quiet you wrote: »

Pirate maneuver?

I recall hearing that the Russians were ordered to hand over pirates which they had captured after hijacking a Russian tanker.

The Russians replied that they had simply 'lost' them

Standman

Nothing else can display so clearly the oppression of a people than the image of a government official literally put his hand over the mouth of one of its crying citizens. Fúcking shameful

LighterGuy

Biggins wrote: »

I would disagree.

I tend to think a lot of people do care - SOME sometimes just don't react due to vested interests.
...Meanwhile a silent majority still do care!

how many people have you known, or yourself, to loose sleep over this tho?

Sonics2k

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.

Libya is far from one of the richest countries in the Middle East/North Africa

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests

You do know the US and Britain previously supported Gaddaffi right?
The rebellion was kicked off by people supporting the rebels in Egypt, the U.S. and Britain did not get involved, and are not leading any assaults, the French are.

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

The media has been against Gaddaffi for decades, and Al Jazeera can hardly be described as Western Media.
And as far as I know, the U.S. and British governments are not in the habit of shooting it's citizens, wiping out entire cities just because they disagreed with a political power.

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

Afterall he is the only world leader to aid Ireland when our people were being pushed out of their own country

Complete nonsense.
The Irish Civil War ended some 70 years ago, the British were initially invited to rule Ireland, and though they did do horrible things to the Irish people, it was a long long time ago. It makes as much as sense as a Jew hating all of Germany for the crimes and holocaust in WW2.

p.s.
jackass

TheRevolution

Oranage2 wrote: »

Women have very little rights in most muslim countries and rape is far from un-common, It's not really because of Gadaffi this happened!

There is much, much more rape in African christian countries. Are you really trying to claim that rape is a muslim problem?

Lets not even mention what Irish christian priests did......

Quiet you

Captain_Generic wrote: »

I recall hearing that the Russians were ordered to hand over pirates which they had captured after hijacking a Russian tanker.

The Russians replied that they had simply 'lost' them

Ah,much obliged. Consider that statement stolen.

Biggins

LighterGuy wrote: »

how many people have you known, or yourself, to loose sleep over this tho?

Losing sleep is NOT the only indication that people care for goodness sake!
If that is how you only judge things, that's like a horse wearing blinkers.

Da Shins Kelly

Saw this on the television tonight. Gadaffi and all his henchmen should be ashamed of themselves. I fear for the woman, I don't think that she is going to be seen again. However, the image of her standing up against these brutes in front of the international media sends out a very strong message. She's a heroine.

I really hope this rebellion is successful. People like Gadaffi have gotten far too used to their comforts. The sooner he and his accomplices are removed, the better for the civilians in that country. However, like someone said before, the real work starts after he is removed. Iraq is real lesson in how NOT to handle the dismantling of a dictatorship.

sollar

Best thing now is just to blow up any house they think he is in and hope to kill him and his sons.

charlemont

Shes a brave woman. Watching that earlier was disturbing. Hope Gadaffi gets hung..

partyatmygaff

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Ghadaffi has done a better job running his country then any of the middle eastern/north african nations that surround Libya,

Are you serious?

Gaddafi is a terrible "leader" (If you could even call him that). His diplomats have spent the past forty or so years trying to repair the damage he causes to his country's image each and every time he opens his mouth.

His administration is not perfect but it offers a far more secular an d fair society then any other north african or middle easter country in that region.

Far more secular and fair than what other North African country exactly?

This is all an attempt by the US and Brits to take over the oil trade in that region,

How is throwing a country in to mad instability going going to allow them to take control of the oil trade?

These 'rebellions and revolutions' are all secretly controlled by US and Brit intelligence, they will put someone in his place that will answer to the US and Wests oil interests

You quite honestly have no idea of what's going on over there at the moment. It's best that you keep your Conspiracy Theories to the appropriate forum.

The media which is controlled by the US/Brit and Western establishment is doing its best to smear Ghaddafi to sway world opinion against him, Im sure he's no angel but the governments of the US and Britain are far worse

I don't recall Obama or Queen Elizabeth calling their citizens "bacteria" and "rats" that need to be cleansed "house by house".

Ireland knows what it is like to the be occupied and taken over by a powerful empire and to resist such occupation, we should be siding with Ghaddafi

We should be siding with a man who heartlessly kills anyone who opposes him?

After all he is the only world leader to aidIreland the IRA when they were terrorising civilians

FYP

Oranage2

TheRevolution wrote: »

There is much, much more rape in African christian countries. Are you really trying to claim that rape is a muslim problem?

Lets not even mention what Irish christian priests did......

So what?

just cause blacks, christians, asians, irish preists rape that makes it ok for muslims to do it too?

I wasn't claiming Muslim countries are the only place rape happens, I was just stating that it is common for women not to have rights and that rape is common.

sxt

Biggins wrote: »

Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'



It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
People are really living in fear, are being abused.
I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped

I''m not saying that what she claims did not happen , but her story as was stated "could not be verified". She could have been a ninja spy assasin for all we know.

A few bizarre things that I find a bit curious...

1.A roomful of journalists don't manage to get her name to identify her, to establish who she was? With this crucial information, they could investigated whether her story was true , and more than likely saved her life if it was true ?

2.A roomful of journalists with hundreds of photographing equipment don't get any pics or footage of her "bruises" ?

Would these two things not be the first two things a journalist would do?


I am just basing this on the sky news link and video footage, as i can't find any other information on this story

partyatmygaff

As much as I dislike Gaddafi, people can't just assume this whole incident to be genuine. For all we know it could be a set up by the rebels to try and weaken support for Gaddafi in the heart of Tripoli.

The rebels against Gaddafi play just as slyly as the government forces. The only difference being that they lack organisation and the resources.

galwayrush

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Indeed. It is part of their culture so we must respect it. The Western war crimes against Libya must stop.

Good grief.:eek:

Fallschirmjager

so we have a leader and his psycho family in Libya who murders, rapes, steals and destroys the lives of his citizens so we should invade and/or kill him

we had a leader and his psycho family in Iraq who murders, rapes, steals, uses chemical weapons, murders by the tens of thousands and destroys the lives of his citizens but we were wrong to invade and kill him...

im confused...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec

walshb

Biggins wrote: »

Tripoli Shock: Gadaffi Minders Snatch 'Rape Victim'



It was ALL caught on many cameras and was something shocking to see.
Terrible, terrible live actions of Gadaffi thugs.

This is why this man, his sons and the their low mentality scumbags need to be gone for good.
People are really living in fear, are being abused.
I don't give a rats arse about politics and whats right and wrong about outside countries.
This is about basic human rights and the wish not to be living under the jackboot of fear and oppression.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Sees-A-Woman-Bundled-Away-By-Minders-From-Tripoli-Hotel-After-Allegedly-Being-Raped/Article/201103415960663?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15960663_Sky_News_Sees_A_Woman_Bundled_Away_By_Minders_From_Tripoli_Hotel_After_Allegedly_Being_Raped

This is a Libyan issue. There are atrocities happening every day all over the world.
Should that give foreign countries the right to bomb and kill?
What is so just and fair and right about the U.S and its allies dropping
millions of dollars worth of missiles onto this country and killing countless
human beings?

Did the West give a **** about Gadaffi and Libya last year, the year before and countless other years?

So, why now? The bombing and killing by allied forces is creating generations of turmoil and unrest. It may look like it's solving something in the short term, but it will cause so much trouble down the road, and will spread throughout the middle east. It's a band aid, that is all. Leave them people alone; let them people decide their fate. Bombing and killing and terrorising a country to rid it of ONE man is insane....

Da Shins Kelly

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

so we have a leader and his psycho family in Libya who murders, rapes, steals and destroys the lives of his citizens so we should invade and/or kill him

we had a leader and his psycho family in Iraq who murders, rapes, steals, uses chemical weapons, murders by the tens of thousands and destroys the lives of his citizens but we were wrong to invade and kill him...

im confused...

I think the nature of the invasion of Iraq was slightly different. The US motivation for invasion was questionable at best. I don't think many people would be convinced that genuine concern for Iraqi civllians was at the heart of the decision to invade Iraq.

Mardy Bum

That video is actually hard to watch without convulsing in anger. I was split on whether it was right to intervene but now the sooner they get rid of them scumbags the better I reckon.