The moriarty report: Findings reveal massive corruption

ilovesleep · 22-03-2011 08:25PM

Can somebody please teach me something. What happened? Heard of Lowry. What did he do? What is it all about?

Bullseye1 · 22-03-2011 08:28PM

Basically a judge and his cronies have milked Ireland over the past 13-14 years to the reported sum of €150,000,000.00 to confirm what we already knew about Charles Haughey and Michael Lowery. Yet people are getting hot under the collar about a few hundred grand paid to these two politicians by private individuals while happy enough to pay the bigger crooks the people who have run this meaningless tribunal.

ilovesleep · 22-03-2011 08:34PM

How corrupt was haughey?
How corrupt was lowry?

How does it tie in here with this tribunal.

I think i need a history lesson on irish politics.

Bullseye1 · 22-03-2011 08:38PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

How corrupt was haughey?
How corrupt was lowry?

How does it tie in here with this tribunal.

I think i need a history lesson on irish politics.

Very

Very

Tribunal set up 13-14 years ago to tell us what we already knew. The tribunal has no legal standing and is full of conjuncture by the Judge with alot of assumptions on conversations between different parties. A cheaper and more effect method would have been to have CAB investigation and a proper prosecution in a court. This of course will not happen as we do not like prosecuting out politicians.

Sunnyisland · 22-03-2011 08:42PM

Ilovesleep wrote: »

Can somebody please teach me something. What happened? Heard of Lowry. What did he do? What is it all about?

:DMarcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence) and Mike Lowrey (Will Smith) are best friends and detectives in the narcotics division of the Miami-Dade Police Department. One night, $100 million of seized heroin is stolen from a secure police vault. This is a major blow to Burnett and Lowrey, because it was the biggest drug bust of their careers. Internal Affairs warns Miami PD that if they do not recover the drugs in five days the narcotics division will be shut down.
One thief, a former cop named Eddie Domínguez, is found dead at a hotel suite, shot to death by his boss, French drug kingpin Fouchet. Fouchet also kills an escort, Maxine "Max" Logan, who was hired by Eddie. It is revealed that she is also one of Lowery's ex-girlfriends and one of his major informants. The only witness to the crime is Max's best friend Julie Mott (Téa Leoni), who watched the crime from the upper balcony of the suite,

That's our Micheal lowry, think there's a sequel:D

James Forde · 22-03-2011 08:43PM

I keep thinking this says "The minority report"

ejmaztec · 22-03-2011 08:47PM

bryanjf wrote: »

I keep thinking this says "The minority report"

At least that one made a profit.

mankteln · 22-03-2011 08:49PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2010/0927/1224279760768_1.jpg
What a crook. I hope they ****ing suffocate him with that cake.

Happyman42 · 22-03-2011 08:55PM

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Biggins · 22-03-2011 08:59PM

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

I have a few questions on this (looked in Politics, cant see a topic)

1, How much did this sh!t cost
2, What is the point of it now 14 years later

So the second mobile phone licence granted in Ireland was bogus. Does the cost of the tribunal justify this apparently irreversible fact....

? :mad:

Well ask the next FF rep you dump into.
They allowed (WANTED TO) have this drag on as long as possible I suspect do they anyone involved with FF and any of their mates, could get away with as much as possible.

Of that I have NO doubt whatsoever!

Mike 1972 · 22-03-2011 09:00PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

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The difference is were Irish.....except for our bank accounts.

Blobby George · 22-03-2011 09:01PM

Biggins wrote: »

They allowed (WANTED TO) have this drag on as long as possible I suspect do they anyone involved with FF and any of their mates, could get away with as much as possible.

Of that I have NO doubt whatsoever!

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Biggins · 22-03-2011 09:08PM

Blobby George wrote: »

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

LoL Go away troll.
Yes, I know nothing about Fianna Fail. Not a clue.

Blobby George · 22-03-2011 09:11PM

Biggins wrote: »

Lol Go away troll.
Yes, I know nothing about Fianna Fali. Not a clue.

Good lad. Someone refutes your point and you call troll. The classic shallow argument response. Carry on your crusade there and stock up on the tinfoil hats.

Biggins · 22-03-2011 09:13PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Good lad. Someone refutes your point and you call troll. The classic shallow argument response. Carry on your crusade there and stock up on the tinfoil hats.

At least I bother my arse to do my research, protest against them, set-up a website, tackle them on Radio, TV and the nations press - and all as you would do, is have everyone here think, I do it as a person that don't have a clue!

I think we know know who's talking out of their arse. Keep talking please, your doing so well.

PS> If YOUR first response is just to insult and say (PRIOR to my additional comment) on someone's thoughts, that they don't have a clue. you really laid out a rhetoric structure to your many points! :rolleyes:

Blobby George · 22-03-2011 09:18PM

Biggins wrote: »

At least I bother my arse to do my research, protest against them, set-up a website, tackle them on Radio, TV and the nations press - and all as you would do, is have everyone here think, I do it as a person that don't have a clue!
I think we know know who's talking out of their arse. Keep talking please, your doing so well.

Are you from Arkansaw? Anyway have you read the full report and have you followed the story closely or is this just another swipe at FF. Further, Lowry is an ex FG man, so what's your point exactly?

Biggins · 22-03-2011 09:25PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Are you from Arkansaw? Anyway have you read the full report and have you followed the story closely or is this just another swipe at FF. Further, Lowry is an ex FG man, so what's your point exactly?

Well if you bothered to do your research, the limitation of what could be investigated were set down and structured so that the tribunal could only go where FF wanted them to go (reluctantly even then...).
even then when things got to close to home, they drew the investigations even in closer and tighten their limit areas of investigation again!

...But hey, I bothered my arse to not just read the official state documents but other materials, reports, historical records and books written that, if one bothered also their arse, are easily available at your nearest Easons alone!

...Too much like hard work?

Cheap Thrills! · 22-03-2011 09:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

Well ask the next FF rep you dump into.
They allowed (WANTED TO) have this drag on as long as possible I suspect do they anyone involved with FF and any of their mates, could get away with as much as possible.

Of that I have NO doubt whatsoever!

Do you know it actually crossed my mind that FF might be behind the timing of this. Pretty fortuitous isn't it!

A nice little ticking time bomb which detonates right as FG get inton power.

Business as usual in Irish politics....it fcuking stinks to high heaven.

Dempsey · 22-03-2011 09:38PM

Biggins wrote: »

Well if you bothered to do your research, the limitation of what could be investigated were set down and structured so that the tribunal could only go where FF wanted them to go (reluctantly even then...).
even then when things got to close to home, they drew the investigations even in closer and tighten their limit areas of investigation.

...But hey, I bothered my arse to not just read the official state documents but other materials, reports, historical records and books written that, if one bothered also their arse, are easily available at your nearest Easons alone!

...Too much like hard work?

It took the tribunal 14 years & €150m to reach a conclusion, i think the constraints placed on the tribunal were merited since it was taking the piss.

Why dont you focus on the outcome of the investigation rather than trying to turn this into a Fianna Fail bashing exercise?

What is really annoying me is what John Bruton did with the £50,000 and pretended like nothing happened until he and FG were pulled on it.

Biggins · 22-03-2011 09:42PM

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Do you know it actually crossed my mind that FF might be behind the timing of this. Pretty fortuitous isn't it!

A nice little ticking time bomb which detonates right as FG get inton power.

Business as usual in Irish politics....it fcuking stinks to high heaven.

Well the report couldn't be stalled any longer once FF were really booted out, could it?

Its not just ONE person that is involved with it - and thats the point clearly missed with someone here.
For a person to get away with what they did, they used modes of operation that were systemic and they had been using too, growing in corruption and powers for years. The question them arises why was such practises allowed and/or not curtailed forcefully - and who had most to gain!
Lowry didn't walk into a bank and shout "Stick your hands up" or such like on his own.
He utilised twists in the laws that were pre-existing and with the use of his mates, apparently from all sides, using a system that FF set-up (surprise!), to abuse the state and the people.
Now Lowery by far was NOT on his own - he was just the unfortunate just to get caught this time! The proverbial escape-goat!
Many books have been written so far about others that should be held up to such high - if not higher - investigation.
Will we see that happen? I seriously doubt it. FF when to comes to some things, do it well.
Sadly the things that they do well, is setting up systems that are very open to corruption.

Coincidence every time? :rolleyes:

sollar · 22-03-2011 09:44PM

Fair play to independent news and media's indepth and open coverage of this story..... today's independent front page is covered with references to the story and O'Brien's involvement in it.......... :rolleyes:

And this is the outfit that sells most newspapers in ireland.

Biggins · 22-03-2011 09:46PM

Dempsey wrote: »

...Why dont you focus on the outcome of the investigation rather than trying to turn this into a Fianna Fail bashing exercise?

The answer to that is simple.
UNLESS we concentrate now on the methods that were used and ALLOWED to be used, how they were limited and by whom and why - this same schite will happen again and again...
...And guess what, the corrupt will get away with their mis-deeds. For there is no real deterrent that they can see so far to persuade them not to do what they do...

All this has happened before - so will it happen again. So say we all!

PeterIanStaker · 22-03-2011 09:47PM

Haughey still manages to f**k over the Irish people from beyond the grave.

Mike 1972 · 22-03-2011 09:49PM

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Do you know it actually crossed my mind that FF might be behind the timing of this. Pretty fortuitous isn't it!

A nice little ticking time bomb which detonates right as FG get inton power.

Surely FF arent in a position to make political capital out of this ?

Lowry was kicked out of the party when all this originally came to light and I mean kicked out properly -not kicked out of the parliamentary party (repeatedly) and readmitted when it became politically expediant. In fact as an Independent Lowry has been supporting FF without any indication from FF that they regarded such support as unwelcome ?

Liam Byrne · 22-03-2011 09:53PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Further, Lowry is an ex FG man, so what's your point exactly?

The operative word being the highlighted one. Despite Lowry's inexplicable popularity in Tipperary, FG decided they didn't want his votes or his support, or association with corrupt rats like him.

And guess which party had no problem with the above ?

thebaz · 22-03-2011 10:00PM

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

I want to know if this issue was of importance how the fcuk did it take 14 years and millions of taxpayers money to investigate?

because the longer it lasted , the more money the legal teams investigating, can cream of the state - they are literally a law onto themselves. I want a tribunal into how much certain privileged barristers , made from these worthless tribunals ...

Cheap Thrills! · 22-03-2011 10:03PM

*embarassed*

I didn't know Lowry had left FG. Thought that might have been what was afoot. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Though I suppose FF is in bed with all the Judicary/Barristers/Civil Servants and whatnot who were all making a fortune from the Tribunals. Hmm.

ilovesleep · 22-03-2011 10:08PM

Im completely lost.

thebaz wrote: »

because the longer it lasted , the more money the legal teams investigating, can cream of the state - they are literally a law onto themselves. I want a tribunal into how much certain privileged barristers , made from these worthless tribunals ...

those barristers are probably mates of the ff maggot government.

im tired. im going to bed. ireland is fcuked. my heart is not good. when do we protest? good night.

Dempsey · 22-03-2011 10:08PM

Biggins wrote: »

The answer to that is simple.
UNLESS we concentrate now on the methods that were used and ALLOWED to be used, how they were limited and by whom and why - this same schite will happen again and again...
...And guess what, the corrupt will get away with their mis-deeds. For there is no real deterrent that they can see so far to persuade them not to do what they do...

All this has happened before - so will it happen again. So say we all!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0322/dermotdesmond_statement.html

Desmond wrote:

The Tribunal because of the length of time it has taken, and the cost of its investigations, has now a vested interest in achieving a 'result'

At over 1500 pages the Moriarty Report is the most lengthy and expensive comic ever produced.

The legislation has now been changed to provide for a better means of enquiry into issues of public concern and this is not before time. For my part I have issued High Court proceedings against the Tribunal because of the manner in which it has handled issues directly affecting me, albeit that I was not under investigation by the Tribunal.

I make these observations so lessons may be learnt for the future as to how tribunals are organised and made accountable.

Cant use the Moriarty tribunal findings if you believe this man.

Lets start another one!! :P

thebaz · 22-03-2011 10:09PM

every dog in the street knew what happened , yet it takes 14 years and countless millions from our legal experts to produce such a "mind blowing" report - only in Ireland

The moriarty report: Findings reveal massive corruption

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