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(MX) Small amounts of Coke, Heroin and Marijauana legal!

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  • #32
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    FlutterinBantam, happier than a pig rolling about in it's own faeces to impose his will onto others, but indignant at the thought of others imposing their own will on themselves.


  • #33
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Attack the post ,not the poster, isn't that in the Charter:)


  • #34
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Attack the post ,not the poster, isn't that in the Charter:)

    I see nothing wrong in pointing out your gross hypocrisy.


  • #35
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Well then maybe you can explain why instead of putting your point of view forward you have to attack me personally?:rolleyes:


  • #36
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Stupidity to advocate legalizing one drug and banning another purely based on personal preference.


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  • #37
    karma_
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Well then maybe you can explain why instead of putting your point of view forward you have to attack me personally?:rolleyes:

    Please refer to my previous post.


  • #38
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    How about exploiting John Q taxpayer when your wrecked and emaciated body ends up in the A&E and you cost thousands to process ?

    That's fine is it?
    But John Q is being exploited on both counts as it is. He's being exploited for cash to fund a war against chemicals that are impossible to get rid of, this causes massive crime and encourages people to turn to that crime. Then we have the medical costs on top of that. With legalised drugs addiction could be combated outside of the hospitals and there would be no drug related crime outside of drink related violence. Drugs don't pose enough of a threat to justify the organised crime the law creates.

    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Misguided indeed, my argument has not been torn to shreds.

    Small amounts of Coke, heroin and weed legal.... recipe for disaster pal.
    I'd agree to a certain extent, decriminalising only makes it easier for criminals to do their work. Full legalisation with proper controls and support for the minority that will lose the run of themselves.


  • #39
    Mahatma coat
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.
    their addictiveness dosent change because they are legalised :rolleyes:

    thats mostly true ( except the bit about weed) at the moment.

    Take Portugal as an example, they decriminalised useage and posession of all Narcotics, their addiction figures did not shoot massivley into the sky overnight, however people were able to finally come forward and receive assistance in dealing with their addiction without fear of imprisonment the general level of Junkies and derros fell in the major cities


  • #40
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The best example of how hard punishment doesn't work would be in Afghanistan. They used to behead or cut off a hand if anyone was caught in possession of any drugs. Didn't help, being on the Heroin trail meant they had one of the highest addict rates anywhere in the world.

    Now they use rehabilitation instead of punishment and Heroin use is finally falling.

    Even cutting off peoples heads isn't a deterrent, the only way to stop drug addicts is to help them find another way of living.


  • #41
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.

    I smoke weed, fairly often, but if i cant afford it, i stop. It has never led me on to any other drugs and i'm not a full time junkie.

    so with regards to weed, your argument is torn to shreds.

    but i'm sure you'll come back with some nonsense that is entirely reasonable in your own twisted scat loving head, or you'll just ignore my post.

    at the end of the day you'll still be wrong.


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  • #42
    Logical Fallacy
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.

    Can i see something other than your opinion that backs up that "weed is extremely addictive"....some kind of study or statistics would be nice.

    Don't think you have countered the point that the taxes raised from sales would help any impact on the Health Service either.


  • #43
    TheZohanS
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    How about exploiting John Q taxpayer when your wrecked and emaciated body ends up in the A&E and you cost thousands to process ?

    That's fine is it?

    Ah sure we could take that attitude to everything.

    Out cycling and get hit by a car? Your fault for going cycling and putting yourself in that position.

    Lifting a box at home and you twist your back? Your fault, nobody asked you to lift a box. Your fault.

    Driving your car and you get crashed into? Well la dee daa, you have a car, nobody asked you to drive. Your fault.

    Out on the town minding and you get jumped and mugged and need stitches? Nobody asked you to head out on the town, your fault for being there.

    Playing footie and you break your leg? Tough, it's not our fault that your personal pursuits have caused you an injury, deal with it yourself and don't be blocking up our A&E.


  • #44
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.

    http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/12157/

    Regular users: Over one-quarter (26%) of respondents who had ever taken cannabis reported using (or having used) it regularly. The lag time between first use and regular use was two years. Of those who were or had been regular users, two-thirds (66%) said that they had stopped taking cannabis, 10% said that they had tried to stop but failed and almost one-quarter (24%) had never tried to stop. Of those who had stopped, approximately one-third (32%) said they had done so because they no longer wanted to take the drug, 19% said they had health concerns and 17% said it was no longer part of their social life.

    Now that's only from a sample of 5,000. Please back up your statement.


  • #45
    UsernameInUse
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    Portugal has decriminalised all drugs - the usage among people over there compared with other countries who enforce a criminalisation method is astonishingly favourable. It won't happen here - politicians don't have the balls to make a difference. The only job for a politician to do when he gets elected is to get re-elected.


  • #46
    Caoimhín
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    TheZohan wrote: »
    Ah sure we could take that attitude to everything.

    Out cycling and get hit by a car? Your fault for going cycling and putting yourself in that position.

    Lifting a box at home and you twist your back? Your fault, nobody asked you to lift a box. Your fault.

    Driving your car and you get crashed into? Well la dee daa, you have a car, nobody asked you to drive. Your fault.

    Out on the town minding and you get jumped and mugged and need stitches? Nobody asked you to head out on the town, your fault for being there.

    Playing footie and you break your leg? Tough, it's not our fault that your personal pursuits have caused you an injury, deal with it yourself and don't be blocking up our A&E.

    You dont do any of those things with the knowledge that it is almost certainly doing you damage. Smoking, heavy drinking, narcotics etc are proven to damage yor health.
    If, as an consenting adult, you knowing and willingly engage in the abuse of a substance that is proven to cause harm, then yes, you should be responsible for the cost of your medical care.

    If that angers the bleeding heart pinkos out there, meh.


  • #47
    RichieC
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.

    Oh sweet jesus christ..


  • #48
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    flutt wont be back in this thread, his ass has been well and truly pwned by facts.


  • #49
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    120_Minutes wrote: »
    flutt wont be back in this thread, his ass has been well and truly pwned by facts.

    Silly things like facts and common sense won't deter the Flutt.

    Someone has to stand up for John Q Taxpayer.


  • #50
    Logical Fallacy
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    Caoimhín wrote: »
    You dont do any of those things with the knowledge that it is almost certainly doing you damage. Smoking, heavy drinking, narcotics etc are proven to damage yor health.
    If, as an consenting adult, you knowing and willingly engage in the abuse of a substance that is proven to cause harm, then yes, you should be responsible for the cost of your medical care.

    If that angers the bleeding heart pinkos out there, meh.

    You forgot eating in fast food restaurants, having a **** diet in general, not getting enough exercise, people who are too dedicate to their job (as they tend to be at higher risk of heart attack) or many other decisions made despite there being evidence of possible damage to health.

    Finally "bleeding heart" is used to define some one as radically left win, "pinko" is used to define somone as mildly left wing. Pinko can also mean someone who is sympathetic to Communism.

    As such, i have no idea who you think you are angering and i am pretty sure you don't either.


  • #51
    TheZohanS
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    Caoimhín wrote: »
    You dont do any of those things with the knowledge that it is almost certainly doing you damage. Smoking, heavy drinking, narcotics etc are proven to damage yor health.
    If, as an consenting adult, you knowing and willingly engage in the abuse of a substance that is proven to cause harm, then yes, you should be responsible for the cost of your medical care.

    If that angers the bleeding heart pinkos out there, meh.

    To be fair you do know that there is a definite risk involved.

    Why is it mandatory to wear a seatbelt? Because of the chance of an accident. You know there's a risk involved with driving.

    Why is a dirty tackle in football punishable with a yellow/red card or sending off? Because people can get seriously injured. It's accepted that there is a risk of injury.

    Why do you have to wear a helmet whilst riding a bicycle? In case you have an accident, it's accepted that there is a risk involved with cycling.


    You lost your argument when you mentioned "bleeding heart pinkos".


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  • #52
    biko
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    120_Minutes wrote: »
    I smoke weed, fairly often, but if i cant afford it, i stop. It has never led me on to any other drugs and i'm not a full time junkie.

    so with regards to weed, your argument is torn to shreds.
    120_Minutes wrote: »
    flutt wont be back in this thread, his ass has been well and truly pwned by facts.
    You know what would be nice? Stats. Sources. Links.
    Just because things are a certain way for you doesn't mean they are the same for everyone else.

    How do you propose people that do heroin start? I would suppose with cocaine rather than weed but I can't be sure since I have no stats to back that up.


  • #53
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    How about exploiting John Q taxpayer when your wrecked and emaciated body ends up in the A&E and you cost thousands to process ?

    That's fine is it?
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I don't believe any health System could afford the consequences if all drugs were legalised as the poster said.

    That is you could put anything you like into your body.
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Misguided indeed, my argument has not been torn to shreds.

    Small amounts of Coke, heroin and weed legal.... recipe for disaster pal.
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I often thought that too, then I remembered that 95% of the people in that category don't pay tax and are state dependant;)

    So I threw that great idea into the trash can.
    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Because Coke heroin and weed are extremely addictive, people START small get hooked, and become full-time junkies.

    THAT'S how it is a recipe for disaster.

    Uhu...


    I believe you've already expressed your views multiple times


    here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056199202

    here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056195580

    and here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055984871

    Do you actually have anything new to bring to this discussion?


  • #54
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Do you?


  • #55
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    http://www.drugs.com/heroin.html


    Good enough for me pal, I don't want my had earned tax eurons used to support people who willingly abuse themselves.


    Sorry man, you gotta go somewhere where the stoner is king.


    Can't figure out where that is right now!;)


  • #56
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    Love the way nobody mentions this is from August 2009.


  • #57
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    http://www.drugs.com/heroin.html


    Good enough for me pal, I don't want my had earned tax eurons used to support people who willingly abuse themselves.


    Sorry man, you gotta go somewhere where the stoner is king.


    Can't figure out where that is right now!;)

    What's your point? Linking a site with information about heroin then talking about stoners...


  • #58
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    http://www.drugs.com/heroin.html


    Good enough for me pal, I don't want my had earned tax eurons used to support people who willingly abuse themselves.


    Sorry man, you gotta go somewhere where the stoner is king.


    Can't figure out where that is right now!;)

    Look, its CLEARLY obvious that heroin is a sick ****ed up drug, no one is denying that.

    But the chances of it being decriminalised here is ZERO.
    So stop with this "I dont want my hard earned tax money spent on them" crap.

    Cant think of anyone who DOES want to spend money on treatment for heroin addicted people, or fat people or alcoholics etc.
    But it happens.


  • #59
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    take everything wrote: »
    Love the way nobody mentions this is from August 2009.

    Drugs are good anytime man!


  • #60
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    http://www.drugs.com/heroin.html


    Good enough for me pal, I don't want my had earned tax eurons used to support people who willingly abuse themselves.


    Sorry man, you gotta go somewhere where the stoner is king.


    Can't figure out where that is right now!;)

    What on earth has crap got to do with the debate at hand? You mentioned weed now back it up.


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  • #61
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    karma_ wrote: »
    What's your point? Linking a site with information about heroin then talking about stoners...


    Last I looked, the thread title mentioned Coke Heroin and Weed.

    That's the issue I'm dealing with here.


    If you want to turn and derail the OPs thread by starting a 'save the stoner' campaign, then start another thread pal...'kay?


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