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"Major heroin dealer" beaten and warned to leave country or face death

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  • #92
    KeithAFC
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    You obviously didn't read my first response to you.
    They think they are the CIRA? What does that matter? They should be rounded up and put in prison. The lot of them.


  • #93
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    They think they are the CIRA? What does that matter? They should be rounded up and put in prison. The lot of them.

    Nope, you still didn't read it.
    Nobody has the "right" to engage in vigilantism.


  • #94
    RGDATA!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Was that a question or a statement?

    it was a question - two questions in fact.

    here it is rephrased as a personal opinion:
    while i might lose no sleep over a drug dealer being killed, the fact is they are mainly killed by other drug dealers (not the CIRA or the Angry Farmers Club, or indeed anyone taking a stance against the sale of drugs), and that these killings do nothing to disrupt the supply of drugs in the long term.


  • #95
    Sunnyisland
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    People being beaten up up a group which tries to kill police officers is policing the streets? Under what right do they have to do that? Its a disgrace.




    :) KeithAFC you follow republican paramilitary threads around here like a cat with a mouse :) Once republican pops up so does our keith ;)


  • #96
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    realies wrote: »
    :) KeithAFC you follow republican paramilitary threads around here like a cat with a mouse :) Once republican pops up so does our keith ;)
    You don't post in the soccer forum or gaming forum?

    Anyway, back on topic.

    dlofnep, im glad we agree its a disgrace.


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  • #97
    Offy
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    RGDATA! wrote: »
    it was a question - two questions in fact.

    here it is rephrased as a personal opinion:
    while i might lose no sleep over a drug dealer being killed, the fact is they are mainly killed by other drug dealers (not the CIRA or the Angry Farmers Club, or indeed anyone taking a stance against the sale of drugs), and that these killings do nothing to disrupt the supply of drugs in the long term.

    What about your local GP? What about the young lady that works behind the counter in Boots? They sell drugs, is it ok to kill them too? Your attitude makes you no better than them. Its not ok to kill ANYONE. PERIOD. Take the blinkers off!


  • #98
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    dlofnep wrote: »
    So basically, you still haven't produced evidence?


    bla bla bla , can you not read , i said if i could be arsed i would PM it to you as not to cause you the embarrassment of being 100% wrong , well feck ya , you get me the proof that they are not drug dealing scum bags as reported by the garda/justice dept/and media outlets , you said it was up to me to prove that they were , well dito you prove they are not seeing you so cock sure that your right , so basically the one that is mouthing off the most bull**** still has not produced evidence :eek:

    HOW dreadful , even keith agrees with ya , now toddle off and back up your argument
    and it shows you have not read this thread because a link 2 the andersontown post has a artical about this issue

    example
    Continuity IRA

    The CIRA has far less support than the Real IRA, with up to 30 active members. The group has been split in recent months by leadership struggles and has lost some members to the Real IRA. The two groups often work together, particularly in cross-border smuggling operations. Both the CIRA and the Real IRA claim to be anti-drugs to garner support in communities but many of their members have been involved in drug-dealing in the south.

    source http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/nov/01/they-havent-gone-away/

    example

    DRUG DEALING

    A leading dissident living in Spain, and a member of a well known west Belfast crime gang, arranged for a petty drug dealer to import into Belfast 120 kilos of drugs. The CIRA, with whom the dissident is linked, then extorted £90k from the drug courier / dealer.

    One serious consequence of this is that these drug dealers then seek to expand their efforts within our community to pay off these groups.

    At Casement Park, a JCB was destroyed by CIRA in an attempt to extort money from a businessman involved in carrying out renovations at the site. And there is more.

    source http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2009/04/dissident-actions-are-pointless-futile.html


  • #99
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    stovelid wrote: »
    Don't know about smack but there's a fairly decent volume of rumour especially from people I would trust in the North and here. As in people in the communities in question.

    I accept that it's hard to base a case on that but then again, it's certainly no stronger a case than you and your cronies on here saying it's not.

    Plus if you are involved in money laundering, smuggling, robbery, extortion, murder and protection rackets, why not go the whole hog and control drug trade?

    Why have no members of the PIRA or CIRA ever been convicted in connection with the drugs trade. It would have undermined these organisations had this happened.


  • #100
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Why have no members of the PIRA or CIRA ever been convicted in connection with the drugs trade. It would have undermined these organisations had this happened.

    If the Indepdent Monitoring Commission say they're involved, that's good enough for me.


  • #101
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    el tonto wrote: »
    If the Indepdent Monitoring Commission say they're involved, that's good enough for me.

    But why no convictions. By the way I think that the involvement of the 32 CSM in community policing is not welcome. I seem to remember them aggravating a situation in Cavan a few years back. Made a threat to a group of fellas and then when they didn't follow through the group thought they were untouchable and ran amok


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  • #102
    MagicSean
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    You are a Garda are you not? No doubt you know of people in the "criminal gangs" who are around the place wandering free.

    And? Should they just be interned until proof can be found?
    dlofnep wrote: »
    I doubt he was either. But I'm not making the assertion that he was guilty or innocent. I think communities generally have their ear to the ground and are perfectly aware of who's pushing in their communities. If the Gardaí don't act, and the streets continue to be flooded with the stuff - then naturally vigilantes will step up - whether it be groups like the CIRA or just concerned parents.

    It's all very well communities knowing who is pushing around their estates but that won't accomplish anything unless they come forward with the info.


  • #103
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    All the paramilitarys are into drug dealing the UVF are massive wholesalers of herion north and south of the border.


  • #104
    southsiderosie
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    As long as people use drugs, other people will step in to sell drugs, no matter how harsh the penalties. So in the long-term, the key is to reduce the number of drug users - targeting dealers will never, ever work, because there is an unlimited supply. I think Portugal's soft approach might be a better model for Ireland than the US-style hardline approach.

    As for punishment beatings, community internal policing and the like, well, in the 1960s, you used to have that kind of stuff to keep drugs out of poor working class communities in the US...that didn't end well, and today a lot of those areas are hellholes. There is just too much money at stake to keep people honest when it comes to drugs.


  • #105
    blueyedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭blueyedson


    Pity they didn't deal with the bankers before they fcuked the country up :rolleyes:

    In my opinion they shouldn't have done what they did, I tend to agree with the general opinion here that the CIRA are scum.

    Having said that, I also believe some communites have scum dealers who may be getting younger kids involved or being too heavy handed with thier customers; well then use vigilantes to sort them out.


  • #106
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    You havent really thought this through have you ?

    Yes I have.

    Middle class users buy drugs which cause problems in working class areas.

    Such a punishment would be a huge detriment to middle class users regarding their social status and career prospects.

    Resultant collapse in demand from middle class users would make life easier in WC areas.

    Maybe you should put more thoughts in to your own posts. :rolleyes:


  • #107
    southsiderosie
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yes I have.

    Middle class users buy drugs which cause problems in working class areas.

    Such a punishment would be a huge detriment to middle class users regarding their social status and career prospects.

    Resultant collapse in demand from middle class users would make life easier in WC areas.

    Maybe you should put more thoughts in to your own posts. :rolleyes:

    This hasn't worked in the US - why do you think it would work in Ireland? I'm being serious here.


  • #108
    Zebra3
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    They think they are the CIRA? What does that matter? They should be rounded up and put in prison. The lot of them.

    So you support internment and don't believe people have the right to a fair trial? :rolleyes:

    You're not far off their level.....


  • #109
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    This hasn't worked in the US - why do you think it would work in Ireland? I'm being serious here.

    Because the middle class users I've come across have told me they do coke because they know they are immune from any real penalty.

    It's either give that a try or just legalise everything.

    The current system has failed utterly.


  • #110
    KeithAFC
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So you support internment and don't believe people have the right to a fair trial? :rolleyes:

    You're not far off their level.....
    CIRA is an illegal organisation Zebra. They are criminals in a period of peace.


  • #111
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    As said earlier the CIRA are a bottomless bag of sh1te. There is absolutley no form of "street justice" here, its merely a case of themprotecting their business interests


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  • #112
    RGDATA!
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    Offy wrote: »
    What about your local GP? What about the young lady that works behind the counter in Boots? They sell drugs, is it ok to kill them too? Your attitude makes you no better than them. Its not ok to kill ANYONE. PERIOD. Take the blinkers off!

    yeah, and let's kill all barmen and newsagents too...
    er no, you took me up wrong or were quoting the wrong person.
    All I said was I don't lose sleep over one drug dealer killing another in the grand scheme of things, not that I think it's any kind of justice.


  • #113
    desaparecidos
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    What can the govt do to eliminate drug dealers?

    Intercept a drugs shipments and mix in some lethal chemicals.

    Kill off the scumbag users / pretentious wanker users and you eliminate the dealer.


  • #114
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Ogra Sinn Fein are saying they are involved in drug dealing, fair enough.

    As for why they aren't behind bars, they have to be caught first, charged and face the courts, a process we have in a civilised society.

    Ideally we could all dish out punishment beatings but law and order would break down.

    Tbh, legalising it fully or partly seems to work, Portugal, Switzerland and Sweden have had reasonable success at it. The Swiss managed to reduce the rate and deter young people away from it, which is the future market after all.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #115
    starviewadams
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    Anybody know which area of Clondalkin this dealer was from?

    The CIRA have been taxing dealers in Clondalkin for years,fella I went to school (complete idiot btw) with's house was shot up on a number of ocasions because he refused to pay them and he was only a very small time weed dealer,they are not out to protect the community,they are just out to protect their profits! Scum taxing scum.


  • #116
    old_aussie
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    Isn't competition good for the end user?


  • #117
    pragmatic1
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yes I have.

    Middle class users buy drugs which cause problems in working class areas.

    Such a punishment would be a huge detriment to middle class users regarding their social status and career prospects.

    Resultant collapse in demand from middle class users would make life easier in WC areas.

    Maybe you should put more thoughts in to your own posts. :rolleyes:
    It aint just middle class people using drugs. If anything its working class people who use them much more.


  • #118
    Oh_Noes
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    What can the govt do to eliminate drug dealers? While I don't care about cannabis being legalized I don't think heroin ever should be. It is way too destructive of a drug. People know who these drug dealers are, the Gardaí sure as hell do, how are they still out on the streets?

    I think you should care about Cannabis being legalised because as it is, the vast majority of the pro-drugs lobby are there because of Cannabis. For some reason Cannabis is lumped in with everything else. Get rid of Cannabis illegality and there will suddenly be a giant tumbleweed when it comes to drug legalisation.

    That's the only point I wanted to make really. I'm only 29 so all I've seen from the CIRA is violence and gangsterism in my lifetime. I don't think they did much before that tbh. They certainly shouldn't be held up as bastions of society because they were violent towards heroin dealers. They are heroin dealers themselves.


  • #119
    Zebra3
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    CIRA is an illegal organisation Zebra. They are criminals in a period of peace.

    You didn't answer the question.


  • #120
    lcrcboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    In limerick city members of the C-IRA have been forcing the two main feuding gangs to pay them protection money and the same group is selling weapons to both sides of the feud. However the C-IRA in northern Ireland have claimed to have split recently from the southern division claiming that they were corrupt and influenced by selling drugs how true this is Im not sure as it could have just been a cover up for a internal power struggle.

    Does anyone here know if the dissidents have actually been arrested or convicted for selling drugs as Ive heard people talking about how there drug dealers but have never seen a story about it in the news.

    for those interested in the reasons and history behind why the dissidents are firing up again there is a interesting book called Legion of the rearguard by Martyn Frampton


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  • #121
    Gunnerkid
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    as long as these paramilitaries remain they will always commit crimes like selling drugs in order to fund their cause.


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