"Major heroin dealer" beaten and warned to leave country or face death

Tahuti · 16-03-2011 07:34PM

dlofnep wrote: »

The Angry Farmers Club.

Keith's an angry farmer.

Who'da thunk it?

Dravokivich · 16-03-2011 07:36PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Disregard for British authority in the north, yeah.

Cut the rabble...

You started this about endorsing Vigil Antes.

Let alone showing an example of a terrorist organisation portraying themselves as Vigil Antes.

Whoever the authority is, is irrelevant.

Wolfe Tone · 16-03-2011 07:41PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Cut the rabble...

You started this about endorsing Vigil Antes.

Let alone showing an example of a terrorist organisation portraying themselves as Vigil Antes.

Whoever the authority is, is irrelevant.

You asked why they are portraying themselves as vigilantes, I said to increase support, you asked why it would be seemed as a positive by some, I told you. Many hate the PSNI and will latch onto an alternative.

Being "anti authority" will be seen as a positive to many.

OutlawPete · 16-03-2011 07:46PM

Scum battering scum.

Hopefully they keep retaliating against one another and eventually cancel each other out.

dj jarvis · 16-03-2011 07:46PM

dlofnep wrote: »

That's not how it works I'm afraid. You make the assertion that they are dealing drugs. The onus is on you to prove it. So if you will, provide the said evidence.

I don't care either way. I don't give a shít about the CIRA. I'm happy however to see anyone take out anyone who peddles heroin. Whether it be the CIRA, The Angry Farmers Club, or anyone for that matter.

i don't give a **** about the CIRA or the dealers but they are not taking them out for the community sake , if that was the case how come no " community policing " was done by them over the last decade ??? why now do they take up the baton of moral guardians for the people , money money money and if anyone believes other wise then they are being mislead and lied 2 .

yes i agree that the dealers should be f*****G shot and got rid of, but i just dont think a un elected bunch of madmen should be the ones that do it
whos next ??

they want my respect , get elected and use the system to get the bankers and corrupt politicians , bang them up , get back the nations money .
but they wont because dail procedure does notallow machine guns and knee capping just yet
all your doing is replacing one evil with another one

as for said "evidence" , its out there , its been in most if not all the papers at some stage in the last 2 years , most recently over the malahide murder , sunday world done a big story on it ( not the most pulitzer prize winning paper i know

) if i have the time i WILL hunt it out and PM you

problemchimp · 16-03-2011 07:52PM

Balfie wrote: »

let them all kill each other for all I care, cause that's what drug dealers do, is kill countless amount of people an get away with it..

Not the answer I'm afraid, as innocent people(apprentice plumbers) get caught in the crossfire. Legalising heroin should be looked at so as the scum are taken out of the picture. As it is, methadone is legal and prescribed. But most important is educating kids on the dangers of heroin. Off topic a bit there, sorry.

problemchimp · 16-03-2011 07:55PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Scum battering scum.

Hopefully they keep retaliating against one another and eventually cancel each other out.

So you think that it will end there and nobody else will take up the scummy reins?

Mike 1972 · 16-03-2011 07:57PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

One month minimum jail sentence with no leeway for judges for anyone caught with drugs even just for personnal use.

You havent really thought this through have you ?

KeithAFC · 16-03-2011 08:02PM

A disgrace. Who do the CIRA think they are trying to police the streets?

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:04PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i don't give a ****

<blah blah blah>

as for said "evidence" , its out there , its been in most if not all the papers at some stage in the last 2 years , most recently over the malahide murder , sunday world done a big story on it ( not the most pulitzer prize winning paper i know ) if i have the time i WILL hunt it out and PM you

So basically, you still haven't produced evidence?

Dravokivich · 16-03-2011 08:05PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You asked why they are portraying themselves as vigilantes, I said to increase support, you asked why it would be seemed as a positive by some, I told you. Many hate the PSNI and will latch onto an alternative.

Being "anti authority" will be seen as a positive to many.

That was a rethorical question which lead to a follow on statement.

Nothing positive can come from agressively taking the law into your own hands when the law of the land does not permit you to. All it does is breed contempt for authority as they would in turn appear to be inept.

Many "hate" the gards...

...still doesn't validate acting out as a vigil ante.

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:06PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

A disgrace. Who do the CIRA think they are trying to police the streets?

They think they are the CIRA, obviously.

My name is URL · 16-03-2011 08:07PM

Some fella in Drogeheda handed me a leaflet a few weeks ago which was printed by the 32CSM.. it warned against drug dealing and basically threatened to kill dealers if found out. I was amused by the fact that the guy was handing these out on a busy street with Gardai passing by every few minutes.. nobody seemed to give a crap about what was on the thing.

KeithAFC · 16-03-2011 08:09PM

dlofnep wrote: »

They think they are the CIRA, obviously.

They have no right to use morals on anyone or police drugs when they try to kill people.

RGDATA! · 16-03-2011 08:12PM

dlofnep wrote: »

I'm happy however to see anyone take out anyone who peddles heroin. Whether it be the CIRA, The Angry Farmers Club, or anyone for that matter.

does that include other heroin dealers? you may be happy to see them take each other out - who isn't in that sense - but does it do anything to stop the supply of heroin in the long term?

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:12PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

They have no right to use morals on anyone or police drugs when they try to kill people.

Nobody has the "right" to engage in vigilantism. They however obviously believe that's it's required to scare off people pushing heroin.

I'm always amused at your fake-outrage Keith. If this was the UVF you'd be championing on here about how great they were removing the evil drug dealers from the streets.

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:13PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

does that include other heroin dealers? you may be happy to see them take each other out - who isn't in that sense - but does it do anything to stop the supply of heroin in the long term?

Was that a question or a statement?

MagicSean · 16-03-2011 08:14PM

dlofnep wrote: »

That's not how it works I'm afraid. You make the assertion that they are dealing drugs. The onus is on you to prove it. So if you will, provide the said evidence.

Not really. I highly doubt the "dealer" was judged by a jury of his peers before they attacked him. They have as much proof to accuse him as anyone on this thread has to accuse them. The only people who have to have proof are the Gardaí. If the CIRA did have any proof they could always pass it on to the Gardaí. But then they wouldn't get their thrills and respect.

Daegerty · 16-03-2011 08:15PM

Should have blasted him with piss lead

Daegerty · 16-03-2011 08:16PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Some fella in Drogeheda handed me a leaflet a few weeks ago which was printed by the 32CSM.. it warned against drug dealing and basically threatened to kill dealers if found out. I was amused by the fact that the guy was handing these out on a busy street with Gardai passing by every few minutes.. nobody seemed to give a crap about what was on the thing.

Gardai probably glad someone is trying to ease the workload for them

Chips Lovell · 16-03-2011 08:16PM

From the Telegraph:

The Independent Monitoring Commission's report in November 2007 said the group remained "a very serious threat" and in May 2008 that the group was "active, dangerous and committed and...capable of a greater level of violent and other crime."

The IMC said the Continuity IRA tried to create troubles to lure police forth then stoning and using petrol bombs against them.

It also said they were involved in criminal activity such as assaults, drug dealing, robbery, kidnapping, extortion, and smuggling.

From the Andersonstown News:

Although the dissident group is masquerading as anti-drugs, it can be revealed that the CIRA are taking a levy from drug dealers in the West of the city and then allowing them to continue supplying drugs to young people. If the drug dealers refuse to pay up then they’re targeted by the group.

RGDATA! · 16-03-2011 08:17PM

dlofnep wrote: »

They think they are the CIRA, obviously.

don't understand this unless it's just a quip - does being the CIRA give you the right to police the streets?
the question was "who do they think they are that they have the right to police the streets".
"who do you think you are to..." is a figure of speech. you are not expected to take it literally and answer, for example, "diofnep" to this question.
it translates to - "what right do the CIRA have to police the streets". hth

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:17PM

k_mac wrote: »

Not really. I highly doubt the "dealer" was judged by a jury of his peers before they attacked him. They have as much proof to accuse him as anyone on this thread has to accuse them. The only people who have to have proof are the Gardaí.

I doubt he was either. But I'm not making the assertion that he was guilty or innocent. I think communities generally have their ear to the ground and are perfectly aware of who's pushing in their communities. If the Gardaí don't act, and the streets continue to be flooded with the stuff - then naturally vigilantes will step up - whether it be groups like the CIRA or just concerned parents.

Wolfe Tone · 16-03-2011 08:18PM

k_mac wrote: »

Not really. I highly doubt the "dealer" was judged by a jury of his peers before they attacked him. They have as much proof to accuse him as anyone on this thread has to accuse them. The only people who have to have proof are the Gardaí. If the CIRA did have any proof they could always pass it on to the Gardaí. But then they wouldn't get their thrills and respect.

You are a Garda are you not? No doubt you know of people in the "criminal gangs" who are around the place wandering free.

Monty Burnz · 16-03-2011 08:18PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I read this today and got thinking. Heroin dealers are scum, I say most will agree. How can they be combated? Its clear the state isn't doing enough and groups like the CIRA both north and south are attempting to capitalize on that with "community policing" in an effort to gain support.

Or they are doing it so that they can control the drugs trade, or force the drug gangs to pay them protection money. Bernard Dempsey, murderer/former IRA man made a good living out of that I believe, starting under the cover of anti-drug vigilantism.

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:19PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

don't understand this unless it's just a quip - does being the CIRA give you the right to police the streets?
the question was "who do they think they are that they have the right to police the streets".
"who do you think you are to..." is a figure of speech. you are not expected to take it literally and answer, for example, "diofnep" to this question.
it translates to - "what right do the CIRA have to police the streets". hth

I have answered that question. They don't have the "right" to do so. I would imagine however that they feel it's a necessary evil if the Gardaí don't act.

strobe · 16-03-2011 08:19PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Nobody has the "right" to engage in vigilantism. They however obviously believe that's it's required to scare off people pushing heroin.

That's what they obviously believe? I think they obviously believe that it's required to keep people pushing heroin giving them a cut of the profits.

Star Bingo · 16-03-2011 08:20PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CvT8XQ8rtI

KeithAFC · 16-03-2011 08:20PM

dlofnep wrote: »

They think they are the CIRA, obviously.

dlofnep wrote: »

Nobody has the "right" to engage in vigilantism. They however obviously believe that's it's required to scare off people pushing heroin.

I'm always amused at your fake-outrage Keith. If this was the UVF you'd be championing on here about how great they were removing the evil drug dealers from the streets.

People being beaten up up a group which tries to kill police officers is policing the streets? Under what right do they have to do that? Its a disgrace.

dlofnep · 16-03-2011 08:22PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

People being beaten up up a group which tries to kill police officers is policing the streets? Under what right do they have to do that? Its a disgrace.

You obviously didn't read my first response to you.

"Major heroin dealer" beaten and warned to leave country or face death

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