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"Major heroin dealer" beaten and warned to leave country or face death

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  • #32
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    He was beaten for either not paying money to them or else they want to drive him off so they can move another dealer in

    There was nothing noble about this act
    I have yet to see any credible evidence that any militant republican groups deal drugs.


    That said, seen as there is no mention of any codewords, it is not confirmed that this was the CIRA.


  • #33
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I have yet to see any credible evidence that any militant republican groups deal drugs.

    Not so much deal drugs themselves
    Just "tax" the ones that are there


  • #34
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I would favor cannabis being legalized, but heroin is so destructive its unreal.

    There seems to be a certain demographic, in general, who become addicted to heroin.

    Perhaps improve or remove the conditions that lead to it's use and abuse.

    I had a couple of friends who were addicts, and I asked them both why?

    Both replied, on separate occasions, 'To forget'.


  • #35
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    pockets3d wrote: »
    Next you''ll say they threaten joy riders to ''get rid of the competition''.
    Joyriders aren't selling anything of worth.


  • #36
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I have yet to see any credible evidence that any militant republican groups deal drugs.

    Don't know about smack but there's a fairly decent volume of rumour especially from people I would trust in the North and here. As in people in the communities in question.

    I accept that it's hard to base a case on that but then again, it's certainly no stronger a case than you and your cronies on here saying it's not.

    Plus if you are involved in money laundering, smuggling, robbery, extortion, murder and protection rackets, why not go the whole hog and control drug trade?


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  • #37
    gosuckonalemon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gosuckonalemon


    The CIRA are just scumbags who extort money from drug dealers as well as sell drugs themselves.

    They obviously have a reason to punish this guy, probably for money owed, and decided to pull a PR stunt in the garbage media.

    Don't be fooled. The CIRA are worse that any heroin dealer. Not only are they involved both directly and indirectly in dealing they are also murderers.


  • #38
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    stovelid wrote: »
    Don't know about smack but there's a fairly decent volume of rumour especially from people I would trust in the North and here. As in people in the communities in question.

    I accept that it's hard to base a case on that but then again, it's certainly no stronger a case than you and your cronies on here saying it's not.

    Plus if you are involved in money laundering, smuggling, robbery, extortion, murder and protection rackets, why not go the whole hog and control drug trade?
    In my experience RSF members tend to be the uber idealistic and principled kind, I assume CIRAs volunteers are similar. They go on about constantly about the working class(they are dedicated socialists) selling drugs doesnt fit their MO.


  • #39
    dlofnep
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    whoopdedoo wrote: »
    bahahahahaha! if you believe that you're so mistaken you must be one of the cira

    Presumably you have evidence that the CIRA deals drugs?

    Secondly, reported for such an asinine suggestion.


  • #40
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    In my experience RSF members tend to be the uber idealistic and principled kind, I assume CIRAs volunteers are similar. They go on about constantly about the working class(they are dedicated socialists) selling drugs doesnt fit their MO.

    Neither does killing working class people or becoming wealthy on cross-borderrackets but sure a MO is by definition a means and not an end.


  • #41
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Tahuti wrote: »
    There seems to be a certain demographic, in general, who become addicted to heroin.

    Perhaps improve or remove the conditions that lead to it's use and abuse.

    I had a couple of friends who were addicts, and I asked them both why?

    Both replied, on separate occasions, 'To forget'.
    Thats a good point. High population density and lack of work, coupled with low education is not a good recipe.


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  • #42
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I have yet to see any credible evidence that any militant republican groups deal drugs.

    The Provos were big into it in the eighties and nineties, just not in Ireland. They were wholesaling on the continent mostly.

    Then they had their favoured dealers up North. The likes of Paddy Farrell, who died up in your town, was a massive source of funds, especially in the eighties/nineties.

    And in Ireland the Provos stepped aside while the INLA did a lot of the wholesaling and retailing here. A neat little arrangement for both groups.


  • #43
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    pockets3d wrote: »
    Quite an ignorant opinion there. Of course paramilitary groups have to do punishment beatings on career criminals when they force conventional police out of communities otherwise a community infiltrated by the C/RIRA would become a disgraced wasteland more than it already is.

    Next you''ll say they threaten joy riders to ''get rid of the competition''.

    no they threaten joy riders for the same reason they have in the past
    to frighten and control working class areas , lean on the locals , get them 2 do what they want or get a capping

    EVERYONE knows that the CIRA are trying to muscle out RIVAL dealers ,
    the dept of justice , the garda , the government and local community leaders have all been quoited publicly saying the same ,
    dont try bull**** people by claiming they have nothing 2 do with it

    they are as much freedom fighters as the smack dealers are.
    get use to the fact that they are scum and are supported by a tiny tiny amount of the population
    They have NO mandate to continue ANY operations , they are criminals just as much as the dealers are ,full stop
    how many got elected this time round ? Zero - says it all really


  • #44
    dj jarvis
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Presumably you have evidence that the CIRA deals drugs?

    Secondly, reported for such an asinine suggestion.

    do you not read the Irish times / indo / hearld / sunday world / news of the world / rte / bbc NI / ??
    they cant all be wrong can they ?

    will i also get reported for not agreeing with you ?


  • #45
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Aren't the IRA more into protection rackets than drugs? They're great lads. :rolleyes:


  • #46
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    what about them other fellas that were about for a while, direct action against drugs. have they gone away (you know)?


  • #47
    pockets3d
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭pockets3d


    seamus wrote: »
    Joyriders aren't selling anything of worth.


    Then what does the IRA have against them other than the same thigns they have against drug dealers? Namely criminals make the RA look bad and they have to ''police'' ''their own'' communites when they won't let the PSNI do it.

    inb4 they don't have a problem with joyriders http://www.thejournal.ie/cira-building-up-its-paramilitary-strength-2010-07/


  • #48
    FUNKY LOVER
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    Not so much deal drugs themselves
    Just "tax" the ones that are there

    ah the evening herald,such a credible source of information:rolleyes:


  • #49
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭COYW


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Aren't the IRA more into protection rackets than drugs? They're great lads. :rolleyes:

    Yep, the republican brotherhood is still very active on that front. I wonder where the money goes .... :rolleyes:


  • #50
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I have yet to see any credible evidence that any militant republican groups deal drugs.

    There's plenty of evidence they are despicable people who do despicable things, though. And they support similar people through weapon smuggling. The guy who sells kilos of heroin is also the guy who'll be providing machine guns and semtex. Be they crime lords, Gaddafi family members, or former Soviet Bloc/East German money launderers.

    Not everyone is Mr. Nice your local, friendly pot dealer.


  • #51
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    do you not read the Irish times / indo / hearld / sunday world / news of the world / rte / bbc NI / ??
    they cant all be wrong can they ?

    I read some of the above. So perhaps you might link me to one of their articles that has evidence to support the accusations of rampant drug-dealing within the CIRA?
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    will i also get reported for not agreeing with you ?

    No, but you will get ignored for being unable to read. I didn't report him for disagreeing with me. I reported him for accusing me of being a member of the CIRA.


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  • #52
    Dravokivich
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    In all honesty I feel it is an attempt, certainly in the north, to "community police" in order to build support.

    why act out as vigil antes then... that's not sending a positive message. it just fluants blatant disregard for authority.

    i dont care, why or who they are targetting, they should not be doing it at all.


  • #53
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    In all honesty I feel it is an attempt, certainly in the north, to "community police" in order to build support.

    It is, "you pay us x amount of your profits from dealing a month and we will fvck with your competition for you. Don't pay us and we will fvck you up. Oh by the way, you need a glock, we have the best prices in town" The build up support thing is far far back on the list of reasons they work extortion rackets on other drug dealers, if it even registers. They are worse than most of the dealers they attack to be honest. They are a poor mans attempt to imitate the tactics of the Italian Mafia in the States for personal profit.


  • #54
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    why act out as vigil antes then... that's not sending a positive message. it just fluants blatant disregard for authority.

    i dont care, why or who they are targetting, they should not be doing it at all.
    Disregard for British authority in the north, yeah.


  • #55
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    dlofnep wrote: »
    I read some of the above. So perhaps you might link me to one of their articles that has evidence to support the accusations of rampant drug-dealing within the CIRA?



    No, but you will get ignored for being unable to read. I didn't report him for disagreeing with me. I reported him for accusing me of being a member of the CIRA.


    tell ya what , there is SO MUCH on this subject in most of the irish media , ill set you a task , get ME some main stream media articles proving the CIRA are not dealing and muscling in on dealers , a much much harder task i would wager , for one reason they are , dont rush im here all night


  • #56
    Tahuti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tahuti


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    get ME some main stream media articles proving the CIRA are not dealing and muscling in on dealers , a much much harder task i would wager ,

    T'is rather difficult to prove a negative, alright.


  • #57
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Tahuti wrote: »
    T'is rather difficult to prove a negative, alright.


    hey i dont control the INDEPENDENT media , i can only make a judgment call on what the mostly respected jurnos are printing , also our elected officials that say this as well , if the proof as the media are calling it is out there to prove the guilt , surely if they are innocent the proof will also be available ???
    again ill be here all night folks


  • #58
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    One month minimum jail sentence with no leeway for judges for anyone caught with drugs even just for personnal use.

    Watch the middle classes go back to the booze and demand drop massively.


  • #59
    RGDATA!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »

    I read this today and got thinking. Heroin dealers are scum, I say most will agree. How can they be combated? Its clear the state isn't doing enough and groups like the CIRA both north and south are attempting to capitalize on that with "community policing" in an effort to gain support.

    What can the govt do to eliminate drug dealers? While I don't care about cannabis being legalized I don't think heroin ever should be. It is way too destructive of a drug. People know who these drug dealers are, the Gardaí sure as hell do, how are they still out on the streets?

    take your pick.
    as long drugs are illegal, you will have scumbags selling them.
    one guy will be run out of town by the CIRA here, another guy busted by the Gardai there.
    ten more guys will be lining up to take their places, and this is the problem.
    as long as there is demand someone will take care of supply.
    you may take the view that heroin is "too destructive" and that legalisation would cause demand to increase significantly, that taking all that money out of the criminal economy and having govt control over the supply wouldn't counterbalance the hassle, but if you want to get rid of dealers it seems like the only way to do it, unless there are some success stories from "the war on drugs" that i'm missing.


  • #60
    Buceph
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    One month minimum jail sentence with no leeway for judges for anyone caught with drugs even just for personnal use.

    Watch the middle classes go back to the booze and demand drop massively.

    That would do more for the legalisation of drugs case than anything else short of decriminalising them.


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  • #61
    dlofnep
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    tell ya what , there is SO MUCH on this subject in most of the irish media , ill set you a task , get ME some main stream media articles proving the CIRA are not dealing and muscling in on dealers , a much much harder task i would wager , for one reason they are , dont rush im here all night

    That's not how it works I'm afraid. You make the assertion that they are dealing drugs. The onus is on you to prove it. So if you will, provide the said evidence.

    I don't care either way. I don't give a shít about the CIRA. I'm happy however to see anyone take out anyone who peddles heroin. Whether it be the CIRA, The Angry Farmers Club, or anyone for that matter.


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