White elephant planned for Tipperary

AlmightyCushion · 11-03-2011 04:25PM

hoorsmelt wrote: »

The main financial backer owns a slot machine emporium n Dublin. Undoubtedly he has some means, however it's highly unlikely he has €460 million lying around and it's unclear who's giving him the loans for this.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1101/thetipperaryvenue.html

In that article it says Denis Desmond has backed it. That doesn't necessarily mean he put his own money into it but if he wanted to he could probably fund it a couple of times over.

minidazzler · 11-03-2011 04:28PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

Says a guy with the name gonedrinking! :pac:

bijapos · 11-03-2011 04:28PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How come Thurles didnt close down Clonmel or vice versa so?

Everyones great at thrwoing negativity around. t's a private venture thats privately funded. Just like other industries, it's up to the competition to survive or die.

Or maybe we should just have monolpolies in everything?

Not being negative, just pointing out a few things. During the boom when hotels were being built everywhere they were inevitably sold to the people as creating jobs. In actual fact they shut down a huge amount of B&B's and the promised amount of jobs rarely arose.

Thurles is close to closing down as it is, this will finish them off.

The tracks I mentioned grew at their own pace over decades, they were built in different times, this will finish them off. It's like opening a huge superpub in a small town with 6 pubs, 3, 4 or maybe 5 will inevitably go to the wall. Not necessarily a good thing.

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:30PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

In that article it says Denis Desmond has backed it. That doesn't necessarily mean he put his own money into it but if he wanted to he could probably fund it a couple of times over.

Therein lies the problem. None of them have signified how much, if any, capital they're investing in this project, and if they have any business sense, they won't be putting their money where their mouth is. 'Dr Quirkey' doesn't seem to have the same means as Desmond and is referred to as the chief investor- that's why i'd be concerned, as to who else is investing in it, what interests they represent, and what might have induced them to invest here in the first place.

Lapin · 11-03-2011 04:31PM

bijapos wrote: »

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

Thurles will be closing anyway as part of the plans for this, and, as I understand it, the staff will be redeployed in the new facility.

No loss either. Thurles racecourse is a kip. A few drops of rain there and racing is abandoned. Clonmel and Tipp racecourses will actually benefit from this.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah, because we all want to go to Tipperary for that...

hahahaha no.

I do. Can't wait. Hope it gets the go ahead.

In fact I'm envious of the locals down there.

cremeegg · 11-03-2011 04:34PM

Ah come on lads... finally something to get excited about and ye are all pissing on it.

Do ye think quirky hasnt done his due diligence to see if this would be a success.. he has spent 40 $ millions squids already.

People who have gambling addictions will be addicted to some other form of gambling if this fails to get green light.

Jobs,investment,money...im for it.

Sean Quagmire · 11-03-2011 04:37PM

Jeeze...its just a bloody casino get over it.

latenia · 11-03-2011 04:37PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

The problem is that this is being funded from the proceeds of crime and is being promoted by a criminal politician. I was surprised that RTE put it so plainly last night, but Dr Quirkeys is an illegal gambling operation and all money made there is no different to a mafia bookie or numbers racket.

The fact is that Richard Quirke (a former Garda) has bribed the police and/or councillors to be allowed to stay open. If you think this man has any concept of responsible gambling or ethics then stroll through the rows of slots there any Saturday to see mothers sitting there with babies on their laps or their children beside them in buggies while the dole and children's allowance gets fed into the machines.

The jobs and tax revenue argument for building a casino has been shown time and again in the US to be completely false-the actual economic effect of a new casino in an area is the equivalent of a recession every four years. I couldn't believe the stupidity of that man in the programme from the chamber of commerce welcoming the development-most of the businesses he represents will be forced to close as a direct result of this.

As an aside here's the video of his son shown last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzIN_u8hkFA

If there was any justice in this country the CAB would have seized that house years ago.

Chris P. Bacon · 11-03-2011 04:43PM

Reminds me of this.

ejmaztec · 11-03-2011 04:47PM

FatherLen wrote: »

you know this is comment will spark a row.

the casino wont last. and if it does i will eat my underwear.

Will that be after you lose your shirt?

KeithAFC · 11-03-2011 04:49PM

Will it be a long to this casino?

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:50PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will it be a long to this casino?

It's been approved for planning permission, but that is currently under appeal at An Bord Pleanala.

rossie1977 · 11-03-2011 04:51PM

its a casino ffs, casinos are great, it will bring tourists and create jobs, why the negativity??

hopefully we get something like the bellagio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZTybyvySPI

Pauleta · 11-03-2011 04:55PM

I think its a great idea but i think it will be executed poorly. It should be a major party venue but it will be an overpriced corporate venue and with the current drink licensing laws its pointless. I would like to see it get a 24 hour license and be filled with boozers, strip clubs, fast food and night clubs. Its in the middle of nowhere as well. Its perfect for it to become a major indigenous tourist venue, an alternative to money going out of the economy with lads weekends away in Britain and Europe. The venue should also be secured tightly from any sort of anti social behavior.

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 05:01PM

Pauleta wrote: »

I think its a great idea but i think it will be executed poorly. It should be a major party venue but it will be an overpriced corporate venue and with the current drink licensing laws its pointless. I would like to see it get a 24 hour license and be filled with boozers, strip clubs, fast food and night clubs. Its in the middle of nowhere as well. Its perfect for it to become a major indigenous tourist venue, an alternative to money going out of the economy with lads weekends away in Britain and Europe. The venue should also be secured tightly from any sort of anti social behavior.

For gods sake...how could you have any of this without serious anti-social behaviour? There are good arguments outlined in this thread about the way this project will be financed, and doubts about its sustainability. I'd suggest you read them carefully before coming to any conclusion about this Venue.

Buck · 11-03-2011 05:03PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

So long as its being paid for by private sector investors I'm all for it.

I totally agree with this and at least it will provide much needed jobs during the construction and in the end, if it fails, the whitehouse hotel would make a pretty plush cowshed.

saywhatyousee · 11-03-2011 05:07PM

I cant wait for it to open hopefully the will have some big guarantee poker tournaments.Ill be down a few times a year anyway

mikemac · 11-03-2011 05:17PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans.

OP, it is a private venture creating jobs. You say it's the height of stupidity but the investors here are not getting State money. Where is the corruption?

If it fails thousands of construction jobs will have been created. If it succeds, thousands of service jobs will be created, plus more in Shannon airport for sure

It will be the original White House, not what you see on RTÉ or any news channel.
Why is it tacky? It was a Kilkenny man who designed the original White House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hoban

gonedrinking wrote: »

The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

Ah, the gombeen talk. Pull a Gregory Deal in Dublin and you a hero, do it outside Dublin and you are a gombeen.

Lowry secured a change in legislation, not a road, not a bypass or hospital. Cost nothing but staff time in the Attorney Generals office and Dáil time

gonedrinking wrote: »

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

Well Tipperary North County Council already examined it. Guess what, this council like most is dominated by FG and Labour!

ejmaztec · 11-03-2011 05:24PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will it be a long way to this Tipperary casino?

fyp

Always glad to be of assistance to our NI visitors.:P

flas · 11-03-2011 05:26PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

shannon airport will be about 40 minutes away from this project if it goes ahead, and i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see that a link will be built to the motorway that runs not a couple of miles from this venture if it gets the go ahead. so you have the main motorway from limerick to dublin, wh#hich would mean travel time from dublin being about one hour 45minutes, about an hour and 20 minutes drive on a bus from galway, 40minutes bus transfer from an international airport and an hour and half to the countries 2nd biggest city. also limerick just up the road.

stag parties from england, scotland and wales will lap this shit up!

people always complain in this country that there is nothing to do, then go abroad to these type of ventures, let us have something absolutely ridiculous like this for once!

Daegerty · 11-03-2011 05:36PM

flas wrote: »

i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see that a link will be built to the motorway that runs not a couple of miles from this venture if it gets the go ahead.

The rocket scientist wouldn't bother with a link road just use the rocket to get there i'd say

flas · 11-03-2011 05:40PM

Daegerty wrote: »

The rocket scientist wouldn't bother with a link road just use the rocket to get there i'd say

maybe a monorail would be best bet, linking up to a park and ride! thats right, monorail

Daegerty · 11-03-2011 05:42PM

flas wrote: »

maybe a monorail would be best bet, linking up to a park and ride! thats right, monorail

We can get a cheap one from Russia and re-spray it. Brilliant idea

mahamageehad · 11-03-2011 06:20PM

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Because the main financial backer is a former Garda, who also owns sites in the area bought during the boom which remain idle. They say that they're going to get funding from a 'foreign consortium' but have been extremely short on detail as to who will be providing this. I think it needs to be watched very closely.

Rumours around Tipperary after the meeting last night are that none other than Abramovick himself is involved!

bijapos wrote: »

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

Actually if this goes ahead it will be the savior of Thurles racecourse.
Thurles racecourse at present gets 9 race meetings a year, which they have valued at 100,000. If this project goes ahead these races will be held by Thurles staff on the new course, and Thurles will also receive 100,000 a year from the owners of the new project, so essentially they are doubling their profit. Thurles racecourse is on its last legs financially at the moment anyway.

flas wrote: »

shannon airport will be about 40 minutes away from this project if it goes ahead, and i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see that a link will be built to the motorway that runs not a couple of miles from this venture if it gets the go ahead. so you have the main motorway from limerick to dublin, wh#hich would mean travel time from dublin being about one hour 45minutes, about an hour and 20 minutes drive on a bus from galway, 40minutes bus transfer from an international airport and an hour and half to the countries 2nd biggest city. also limerick just up the road.

stag parties from england, scotland and wales will lap this shit up!

people always complain in this country that there is nothing to do, then go abroad to these type of ventures, let us have something absolutely ridiculous like this for once!

I agree wholeheartedly. This would be an ideal venue for stag dos. Also with the jobs it will create and the money it will put into the economy, whats not to like? I am delighted to see a venture of this size is being planned in Tipperary. If it's a success the jobs and revenue from tourism it will create will be immense.

The gaming laws in this country are, like many other irish laws, from a different era and outdated in todays world. If someone wants to help the economy with a business like this I say let them, and fúck the begrudgers

Badgermonkey · 11-03-2011 06:31PM

If Gary Glitter himself could sort potholes and medical cards, the folks of North Tipp would elect him.

They deserve that Lowry creep and possibly a useless casino also.

flutered · 11-03-2011 06:53PM

can it be anyworse than the smithfield market, look folks if someone wants to spend a fortune here why not, how much revenue is it going to bring in, a lot cheaper than the ecb imf deal, begrudgery at its highest.

cremeegg · 11-03-2011 07:12PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

If Gary Glitter himself could sort potholes and medical cards, the folks of North Tipp would elect him.

They deserve that Lowry creep and possibly a useless casino also.[/QUOToddyE]

noddy

Phill Ewinn · 11-03-2011 07:35PM

Two career criminals want to build a casino. Casinos are synominous with crime in the states. I suspect half the people here are FF voters, supporting crime within Ireland since ............ a long time anyways.

11-03-2011 07:46PM

Their own Las Vegas? in the hills of Moneygall?

de dee de dee, de dee de dee, de dee de dee de dee dee.....

starbelgrade · 11-03-2011 07:54PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick to the back fucking teeth hearing expressions with the word 'elephant' in them.

White elephant planned for Tipperary

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