White elephant planned for Tipperary

gonedrinking

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Blatter

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

gonedrinking

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

Degag

I always though elephants looked more grey than white myself.....

Notorious97

If you build it they will come...

FatherLen

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

you know this is comment will spark a row.


the casino wont last. and if it does i will eat my underwear.

Blatter

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

You won't be saying that when I have an unlimited supply of coke and hookers.

bonerm

Well Las Vegas was built in the middle of nowhere so I guess Tipperary already fits the profile.

bleg

I'd love to see it if it was done right and was financially viable. I'd definitely go once or twice a year!

Sonics2k

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

You won't be saying that when I have an unlimited supply of coke and hookers.

Yeah, because we all want to go to Tipperary for that...

hahahaha no.

th3 s1aught3r

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. /QUOTE]


Michael Lowrys involvement is a concern imo . He has a shady past

Guy:Incognito

gonedrinking wrote: »

. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Ex FG Michael Lowry?:)



Isnt this privatly funded anyway?

Daegerty

Also, under current law, commercial casinos are illegal.

Well thank f1ck for that and hope it stays that way. The last thing we need here is a fooking casino. Imagine hundreds of fools sitting in a hall crouched forward at a machine going "ding! ding! ding!" slowly edging their way towards bankruptcy so we can have another bailout when these lads reach the end of the line. We have enough people addicted to gambling in this country with bookies alone no need to be worsening the situation by facilitating this kind of project

hoorsmelt

It includes not just a casino but a hotel modelled on the White House (with 500 beds), a horse racing track, a dog track, a 15,000 capacity underground concert venue and a car park that can accommodate 6,000 cars. What kind of gobshítes think building this in Tipp will work when there's little in the way of a market for it, incomes are continuing to decline, prices to rise and the exchange rate with the US dollar is unappealing at best for tourists from that quarter. I'd have my suspicions that there's something else going on in the background here. Casinos have long been used for money-laundering, and Ireland is notoriously lax when it comes to enforcing or enacting regulations (just see Parmalat or Depfa). The boyos building this need to be watched very closely.

Bottle_of_Smoke

So long as its being paid for by private sector investors I'm all for it.

Minstrel27

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

As opposed to the destruction of drinking?

Daegerty

Degag wrote: »

I always though elephants looked more grey than white myself.....

It is a special kind of expensive elephant that would be white, they offer no advantage over a grey elephant hence the name. Money spent on one is money down the drain and in the old days the extremely wealthy would procure one for show

AlmightyCushion

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

mikom

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Cool, so we can finally get this made........... http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjrV30CbBPyseCjkooR6-vsvQO61mPrxTNgFFHqFHMFFJuCt6ozQ&t=1

Unpossible

hoorsmelt wrote: »

It includes not just a casino but a hotel modelled on the White House (with 500 beds), a horse racing track, a dog track, a 15,000 capacity underground concert venue and a car park that can accommodate 6,000 cars. What kind of gobshítes think building this in Tipp will work when there's little in the way of a market for it, incomes are continuing to decline, prices to rise and the exchange rate with the US dollar is unappealing at best for tourists from that quarter. I'd have my suspicions that there's something else going on in the background here. Casinos have long been used for money-laundering, and Ireland is notoriously lax when it comes to enforcing or enacting regulations (just see Parmalat or Depfa). The boyos building this need to be watched very closely.

An underground ski run would be cool, with real snow. They have them in Finland for training during the summer. This could be a great idea or a big disaster. How do those american indian casinos in the middle of the desert do?

hoorsmelt

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

Nama would have to take it over pretty quickly if it was built and failed, in which case we'd be stuck with the bill.

AlmightyCushion

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Nama would have to take it over pretty quickly if it was built and failed, in which case we'd be stuck with the bill.

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

bijapos

gonedrinking wrote: »

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

Indeed there will be. We've had the collapse of an economy, mass unemployment, endless revelations of corruption, NAMA, higher taxes, 7 and we did feck all........ but build a fake White House in the sticks and we will surely all be on the barricades.


Srsly.

hoorsmelt

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

Because the main financial backer is a former Garda, who also owns sites in the area bought during the boom which remain idle. They say that they're going to get funding from a 'foreign consortium' but have been extremely short on detail as to who will be providing this. I think it needs to be watched very closely.

bijapos

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

gonedrinking

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

Do you honestly think it is going to be funded by private savings when it could just be paid for by a bank loan in which case if it fails it the burden can be passed to the taxpayer. And make no mistake, this will fail, its not even open for discussion. Our farming industry is booming at the minute yet they want to use land for this farce? And create a lot of gambling additions in the process. If you are going to invest in something at least make sure it is viable and sustainable.

hoorsmelt

The main financial backer owns a slot machine emporium n Dublin. Undoubtedly he has some means, however it's highly unlikely he has €460 million lying around and it's unclear who's giving him the loans for this.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1101/thetipperaryvenue.html

TheZohanS

If this thing targets the tourist Market then I'm all for it, but if it targets the local market it will be horrendous.

Mini-Las Vegas=good
Major Ladbrooks= bad

Casinos, like property, dont generate wealth. They merely distribute it.

Unpossible

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Because the main financial backer is a former Garda, who also owns sites in the area bought during the boom which remain idle. They say that they're going to get funding from a 'foreign consortium' but have been extremely short on detail as to who will be providing this. I think it needs to be watched very closely.

Maybe I have been watching too many films, but couldn't this easily be used as a front for foreign (or even local) organised crime?

Guy:Incognito

bijapos wrote: »

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

How come Thurles didnt close down Clonmel or vice versa so?

Everyones great at thrwoing negativity around. t's a private venture thats privately funded. Just like other industries, it's up to the competition to survive or die.

Or maybe we should just have monolpolies in everything?

EverEvolving

I bet Christy Moore is salivating at the thoughts of another hit

"I never seen a miracle like the casino down in Tipp"

AlmightyCushion

hoorsmelt wrote: »

The main financial backer owns a slot machine emporium n Dublin. Undoubtedly he has some means, however it's highly unlikely he has €460 million lying around and it's unclear who's giving him the loans for this.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1101/thetipperaryvenue.html

In that article it says Denis Desmond has backed it. That doesn't necessarily mean he put his own money into it but if he wanted to he could probably fund it a couple of times over.

minidazzler

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

Says a guy with the name gonedrinking! :pac:

bijapos

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How come Thurles didnt close down Clonmel or vice versa so?

Everyones great at thrwoing negativity around. t's a private venture thats privately funded. Just like other industries, it's up to the competition to survive or die.

Or maybe we should just have monolpolies in everything?

Not being negative, just pointing out a few things. During the boom when hotels were being built everywhere they were inevitably sold to the people as creating jobs. In actual fact they shut down a huge amount of B&B's and the promised amount of jobs rarely arose.

Thurles is close to closing down as it is, this will finish them off.

The tracks I mentioned grew at their own pace over decades, they were built in different times, this will finish them off. It's like opening a huge superpub in a small town with 6 pubs, 3, 4 or maybe 5 will inevitably go to the wall. Not necessarily a good thing.

hoorsmelt

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

In that article it says Denis Desmond has backed it. That doesn't necessarily mean he put his own money into it but if he wanted to he could probably fund it a couple of times over.

Therein lies the problem. None of them have signified how much, if any, capital they're investing in this project, and if they have any business sense, they won't be putting their money where their mouth is. 'Dr Quirkey' doesn't seem to have the same means as Desmond and is referred to as the chief investor- that's why i'd be concerned, as to who else is investing in it, what interests they represent, and what might have induced them to invest here in the first place.

Lapin

bijapos wrote: »

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

Thurles will be closing anyway as part of the plans for this, and, as I understand it, the staff will be redeployed in the new facility.

No loss either. Thurles racecourse is a kip. A few drops of rain there and racing is abandoned. Clonmel and Tipp racecourses will actually benefit from this.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah, because we all want to go to Tipperary for that...

hahahaha no.

I do. Can't wait. Hope it gets the go ahead.

In fact I'm envious of the locals down there.

cremeegg

Ah come on lads... finally something to get excited about and ye are all pissing on it.

Do ye think quirky hasnt done his due diligence to see if this would be a success.. he has spent 40 $ millions squids already.

People who have gambling addictions will be addicted to some other form of gambling if this fails to get green light.

Jobs,investment,money...im for it.

Sean Quagmire

Jeeze...its just a bloody casino get over it.

latenia

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

The problem is that this is being funded from the proceeds of crime and is being promoted by a criminal politician. I was surprised that RTE put it so plainly last night, but Dr Quirkeys is an illegal gambling operation and all money made there is no different to a mafia bookie or numbers racket.

The fact is that Richard Quirke (a former Garda) has bribed the police and/or councillors to be allowed to stay open. If you think this man has any concept of responsible gambling or ethics then stroll through the rows of slots there any Saturday to see mothers sitting there with babies on their laps or their children beside them in buggies while the dole and children's allowance gets fed into the machines.

The jobs and tax revenue argument for building a casino has been shown time and again in the US to be completely false-the actual economic effect of a new casino in an area is the equivalent of a recession every four years. I couldn't believe the stupidity of that man in the programme from the chamber of commerce welcoming the development-most of the businesses he represents will be forced to close as a direct result of this.

As an aside here's the video of his son shown last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzIN_u8hkFA

If there was any justice in this country the CAB would have seized that house years ago.

Chris P. Bacon

Reminds me of this.

ejmaztec

FatherLen wrote: »

you know this is comment will spark a row.


the casino wont last. and if it does i will eat my underwear.

Will that be after you lose your shirt?

KeithAFC

Will it be a long to this casino?

hoorsmelt

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will it be a long to this casino?

It's been approved for planning permission, but that is currently under appeal at An Bord Pleanala.

rossie1977

its a casino ffs, casinos are great, it will bring tourists and create jobs, why the negativity??

hopefully we get something like the bellagio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZTybyvySPI

Pauleta

I think its a great idea but i think it will be executed poorly. It should be a major party venue but it will be an overpriced corporate venue and with the current drink licensing laws its pointless. I would like to see it get a 24 hour license and be filled with boozers, strip clubs, fast food and night clubs. Its in the middle of nowhere as well. Its perfect for it to become a major indigenous tourist venue, an alternative to money going out of the economy with lads weekends away in Britain and Europe. The venue should also be secured tightly from any sort of anti social behavior.

hoorsmelt

Pauleta wrote: »

I think its a great idea but i think it will be executed poorly. It should be a major party venue but it will be an overpriced corporate venue and with the current drink licensing laws its pointless. I would like to see it get a 24 hour license and be filled with boozers, strip clubs, fast food and night clubs. Its in the middle of nowhere as well. Its perfect for it to become a major indigenous tourist venue, an alternative to money going out of the economy with lads weekends away in Britain and Europe. The venue should also be secured tightly from any sort of anti social behavior.

For gods sake...how could you have any of this without serious anti-social behaviour? There are good arguments outlined in this thread about the way this project will be financed, and doubts about its sustainability. I'd suggest you read them carefully before coming to any conclusion about this Venue.

Buck

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

So long as its being paid for by private sector investors I'm all for it.

I totally agree with this and at least it will provide much needed jobs during the construction and in the end, if it fails, the whitehouse hotel would make a pretty plush cowshed.

saywhatyousee

I cant wait for it to open hopefully the will have some big guarantee poker tournaments.Ill be down a few times a year anyway

mikemac

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans.

OP, it is a private venture creating jobs. You say it's the height of stupidity but the investors here are not getting State money. Where is the corruption?

If it fails thousands of construction jobs will have been created. If it succeds, thousands of service jobs will be created, plus more in Shannon airport for sure

It will be the original White House, not what you see on RTÉ or any news channel.
Why is it tacky? It was a Kilkenny man who designed the original White House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hoban

gonedrinking wrote: »

The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

Ah, the gombeen talk. Pull a Gregory Deal in Dublin and you a hero, do it outside Dublin and you are a gombeen.

Lowry secured a change in legislation, not a road, not a bypass or hospital. Cost nothing but staff time in the Attorney Generals office and Dáil time

gonedrinking wrote: »

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

Well Tipperary North County Council already examined it. Guess what, this council like most is dominated by FG and Labour!

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will it be a long way to this Tipperary casino?

fyp

Always glad to be of assistance to our NI visitors.:P

flas

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

shannon airport will be about 40 minutes away from this project if it goes ahead, and i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see that a link will be built to the motorway that runs not a couple of miles from this venture if it gets the go ahead. so you have the main motorway from limerick to dublin, wh#hich would mean travel time from dublin being about one hour 45minutes, about an hour and 20 minutes drive on a bus from galway, 40minutes bus transfer from an international airport and an hour and half to the countries 2nd biggest city. also limerick just up the road.

stag parties from england, scotland and wales will lap this shit up!

people always complain in this country that there is nothing to do, then go abroad to these type of ventures, let us have something absolutely ridiculous like this for once!