White elephant planned for Tipperary

gonedrinking · 11-03-2011 03:50PM #1

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Blatter · 11-03-2011 03:52PM

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

gonedrinking · 11-03-2011 03:54PM

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

Degag · 11-03-2011 03:55PM

I always though elephants looked more grey than white myself.....

Notorious97 · 11-03-2011 03:55PM

If you build it they will come...

FatherLen · 11-03-2011 03:56PM

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Nice one. About time we got something like this that's not in Dublin.

you know this is comment will spark a row.

the casino wont last. and if it does i will eat my underwear.

Blatter · 11-03-2011 03:56PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

You won't be saying that when I have an unlimited supply of coke and hookers.

bonerm · 11-03-2011 03:58PM

Well Las Vegas was built in the middle of nowhere so I guess Tipperary already fits the profile.

bleg · 11-03-2011 03:59PM

I'd love to see it if it was done right and was financially viable. I'd definitely go once or twice a year!

Sonics2k · 11-03-2011 04:00PM

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

You won't be saying that when I have an unlimited supply of coke and hookers.

Yeah, because we all want to go to Tipperary for that...

hahahaha no.

th3 s1aught3r · 11-03-2011 04:01PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. /QUOTE]

Michael Lowrys involvement is a concern imo . He has a shady past

Guy:Incognito · 11-03-2011 04:02PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Ex FG Michael Lowry?:)

Isnt this privatly funded anyway?

Daegerty · 11-03-2011 04:02PM

Also, under current law, commercial casinos are illegal.

Well thank f1ck for that and hope it stays that way. The last thing we need here is a fooking casino. Imagine hundreds of fools sitting in a hall crouched forward at a machine going "ding! ding! ding!" slowly edging their way towards bankruptcy so we can have another bailout when these lads reach the end of the line. We have enough people addicted to gambling in this country with bookies alone no need to be worsening the situation by facilitating this kind of project

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:04PM

It includes not just a casino but a hotel modelled on the White House (with 500 beds), a horse racing track, a dog track, a 15,000 capacity underground concert venue and a car park that can accommodate 6,000 cars. What kind of gobshítes think building this in Tipp will work when there's little in the way of a market for it, incomes are continuing to decline, prices to rise and the exchange rate with the US dollar is unappealing at best for tourists from that quarter. I'd have my suspicions that there's something else going on in the background here. Casinos have long been used for money-laundering, and Ireland is notoriously lax when it comes to enforcing or enacting regulations (just see Parmalat or Depfa). The boyos building this need to be watched very closely.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 11-03-2011 04:05PM

So long as its being paid for by private sector investors I'm all for it.

Minstrel27 · 11-03-2011 04:06PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

you won't be saying that when the destruction of gambling addiction hits home

As opposed to the destruction of drinking?

Daegerty · 11-03-2011 04:06PM

Degag wrote: »

I always though elephants looked more grey than white myself.....

It is a special kind of expensive elephant that would be white, they offer no advantage over a grey elephant hence the name. Money spent on one is money down the drain and in the old days the extremely wealthy would procure one for show

AlmightyCushion · 11-03-2011 04:07PM

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

mikom · 11-03-2011 04:07PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

This seems like the height of stupidity and corruption. A large casino/hotel is being planned for the Tipperary countryside. It is an unviable project, there are extremely poor transport links to it, not to mention that it is completely tacky with a greyhound track and a replica of the whitehouse included in the plans. The only reason this project has got this far is because of the corrupt FF government which needed Michael Lowry to vote for their budget to pass. And so they offered the gombeen tax evader Lowry a casino for Tipp to get his vote.

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0309/blog-casinoroyale_primetime.html

Cool, so we can finally get this made........... http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjrV30CbBPyseCjkooR6-vsvQO61mPrxTNgFFHqFHMFFJuCt6ozQ&t=1

Unpossible · 11-03-2011 04:08PM

hoorsmelt wrote: »

It includes not just a casino but a hotel modelled on the White House (with 500 beds), a horse racing track, a dog track, a 15,000 capacity underground concert venue and a car park that can accommodate 6,000 cars. What kind of gobshítes think building this in Tipp will work when there's little in the way of a market for it, incomes are continuing to decline, prices to rise and the exchange rate with the US dollar is unappealing at best for tourists from that quarter. I'd have my suspicions that there's something else going on in the background here. Casinos have long been used for money-laundering, and Ireland is notoriously lax when it comes to enforcing or enacting regulations (just see Parmalat or Depfa). The boyos building this need to be watched very closely.

An underground ski run would be cool, with real snow. They have them in Finland for training during the summer. This could be a great idea or a big disaster. How do those american indian casinos in the middle of the desert do?

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:09PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What's the problem. If the thing gets built and and is unsuccessful and fails, that is still €460m spent in the area and 2,000 jobs that were created building it and however many more knock on jobs. If it succeeds, it could bring in some much needed tourist revenue and tax revenue.

Nama would have to take it over pretty quickly if it was built and failed, in which case we'd be stuck with the bill.

AlmightyCushion · 11-03-2011 04:11PM

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Nama would have to take it over pretty quickly if it was built and failed, in which case we'd be stuck with the bill.

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

bijapos · 11-03-2011 04:11PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

If FG/Labour allow this to go ahead there should be riots in the street.

Indeed there will be. We've had the collapse of an economy, mass unemployment, endless revelations of corruption, NAMA, higher taxes, 7 and we did feck all........ but build a fake White House in the sticks and we will surely all be on the barricades.

Srsly.

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:16PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

Because the main financial backer is a former Garda, who also owns sites in the area bought during the boom which remain idle. They say that they're going to get funding from a 'foreign consortium' but have been extremely short on detail as to who will be providing this. I think it needs to be watched very closely.

bijapos · 11-03-2011 04:16PM

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

gonedrinking · 11-03-2011 04:16PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What makes you say that. Do you know where he is getting funding from?

Do you honestly think it is going to be funded by private savings when it could just be paid for by a bank loan in which case if it fails it the burden can be passed to the taxpayer. And make no mistake, this will fail, its not even open for discussion. Our farming industry is booming at the minute yet they want to use land for this farce? And create a lot of gambling additions in the process. If you are going to invest in something at least make sure it is viable and sustainable.

hoorsmelt · 11-03-2011 04:20PM

The main financial backer owns a slot machine emporium n Dublin. Undoubtedly he has some means, however it's highly unlikely he has €460 million lying around and it's unclear who's giving him the loans for this.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1101/thetipperaryvenue.html

TheZohanS · 11-03-2011 04:21PM

If this thing targets the tourist Market then I'm all for it, but if it targets the local market it will be horrendous.

Mini-Las Vegas=good
Major Ladbrooks= bad

Casinos, like property, dont generate wealth. They merely distribute it.

Unpossible · 11-03-2011 04:21PM

hoorsmelt wrote: »

Because the main financial backer is a former Garda, who also owns sites in the area bought during the boom which remain idle. They say that they're going to get funding from a 'foreign consortium' but have been extremely short on detail as to who will be providing this. I think it needs to be watched very closely.

Maybe I have been watching too many films, but couldn't this easily be used as a front for foreign (or even local) organised crime?

Guy:Incognito · 11-03-2011 04:21PM

bijapos wrote: »

And when you do build it you can close down the trackis in Thurles, Clonmel and probably Tipperary as well. Count in the loss in jobs and revenue from racing days in these towns when you do the calculations.

How come Thurles didnt close down Clonmel or vice versa so?

Everyones great at thrwoing negativity around. t's a private venture thats privately funded. Just like other industries, it's up to the competition to survive or die.

Or maybe we should just have monolpolies in everything?

EverEvolving · 11-03-2011 04:24PM

I bet Christy Moore is salivating at the thoughts of another hit

"I never seen a miracle like the casino down in Tipp"

White elephant planned for Tipperary

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