Do I really have to do the census ?

godwin · 09-03-2011 09:01AM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

are you illegally here then? sounds like you might be.... more importantly why? ireland has become a crap hole right now. (thanks FF & rogue bankers)

OldGoat wrote: »

Why would you not fill it out? I mean do you have a real and sensible reason for avoiding doing rather then just to 'mess with the man'?

I'm Irish , I just don't want to partake in the census.

OldGoat · 09-03-2011 09:22AM

Perhaps the census form should include a tickbox for 'Meh, apathy'.

Dravokivich · 09-03-2011 09:26AM

godwin wrote: »

I don't feel like giving all that data to the government , If I don't answer the door and avoid the enumerator will they keep coming back looking for it to be filled out?

godwin wrote: »

I'm Irish , I just don't want to partake in the census.

First off... you are afraid of giving them too much info...

which is basically just "name, address, job, religion, age, how many dependancies..."

Then you say you just couldn't be arsed?

Get out of that nonsense...

Joey the lips · 09-03-2011 09:26AM

We have vays of makin you talk.... :cool:

No sense of national pride anymore...

Oh wait... Cue the 6 pints and the god save ireland song at the end of the night in the pub :rolleyes:

Its only a census....

Its usued for stats data...

Like for example..

There is 4.5 million people living in ireland and michael healy raes voters are all sheep shaggers...

You know...Stuff like that.,

Cabaal · 09-03-2011 09:27AM

Fremen wrote: »

The government doesn't control the sky. Rent a balloon for the day.

Yes they do its Irish airspace

Cú Giobach · 09-03-2011 09:27AM

godwin wrote: »

I don't feel like giving all that data to the government , If I don't answer the door and avoid the enumerator will they keep coming back looking for it to be filled out?

Just say you were somewhere else and listed on a different households form. Easy.

godwin · 09-03-2011 09:38AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

First off... you are afraid of giving them too much info...

Then you say you just couldn't be arsed?

Did I ?

godwin wrote: »

I don't feel like giving all that data to the government

godwin wrote: »

I just don't want to partake in the census.

Smcgie · 09-03-2011 09:45AM

This AH response is something I expected.

All you "I'm not fillin it out cause I'm awkward...etc"
When you apply for a driving license or passport of the government do you say, ak sure I'm not fillin that out?... No you don't.

Besides some of yee are militant in the fact you won't fill it out but going by maturity your mams will fill it in without you knowing :P

Also think of the people that actually go door to door trying to earn a few pound, its not ethical to make their lives a misery just because you don't have the maturity to understand the logic behind the census.

jester77 · 09-03-2011 10:10AM

You will become an nonentity if you don't fill it out. Everywhere you go in Ireland you will be ignored. You will stand thirsty at the bar shouting for a pint, but you will not be heard while everyone around you is being served. You will walk up to the counter in the shop to pay for your newspaper only for the cashier to stare into space while picking her nose. You will queue for your dole only for the shutter to get pulled down once you reach the window.

Don't let it be you... fill out the damn form!

godwin · 09-03-2011 10:13AM

Smcgie wrote: »

This AH response is something I expected.

All you "I'm not fillin it out cause I'm awkward...etc"
When you apply for a driving license or passport of the government do you say, ak sure I'm not fillin that out?... No you don't.

Besides some of yee are militant in the fact you won't fill it out but going by maturity your mams will fill it in without you knowing :P

Also think of the people that actually go door to door trying to earn a few pound, its not ethical to make their lives a misery just because you don't have the maturity to understand the logic behind the census.

I understand the logic perfectly well , I'm not militant , possibly awkward , I'm just curious about the ramifications of not doing the census

pickarooney · 09-03-2011 10:24AM

jester77 wrote: »

You will become an nonentity if you don't fill it out. Everywhere you go in Ireland you will be ignored. You will stand thirsty at the bar shouting for a pint, but you will not be heard while everyone around you is being served. You will walk up to the counter in the shop to pay for your newspaper only for the cashier to stare into space while picking her nose. You will queue for your dole only for the shutter to get pulled down once you reach the window.

Don't let it be you... fill out the damn form!

Ah, that was because of the census? I couldn't make out why that kept happening last time I was over.

Kimono-Girl · 09-03-2011 10:33AM

Won't somebody think of the children!

in 100 years when your great great great grandchildren are googling the 2011 census the won't find you if you changed your name or didn't partake!

i suggest having more fun, put information in it along that will freak them out

chickenchaser · 09-03-2011 11:01AM

sure they change the information that you put in anyway to suit their purposes...

working in data input for census one year, we were told that travellers couldn't have the religion as protestant, it could only be catholic, eventually after a letter from a travellers organisation the religions were reverted back to what people filled on the form...

Also women couldn't give birth to more than 21 children.

And the rents people paid had to be amended to fit their rules.

Dunjohn · 09-03-2011 11:59AM

chickenchaser wrote: »

Also women couldn't give birth to more than 21 children.

What about the men? ...Oh, wait, the census specifically tells us not to fill that section out. BLATANT DISCRIMINATION

snickerpuss · 09-03-2011 12:03PM

It's also an amazing historical record for future generations. *archivist hat*
Looking up all my relatives on the census has been so interesting. I can't wait til 100 years time when some great grandchild realises nanny was a pre-martial co-habiting hussy :-)

Lumen · 09-03-2011 12:10PM

Everyone subject to the census, that is to say of twenty years and over, will pay the sum set aside for Yahweh.

SSDD.

Victor · 09-03-2011 12:57PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

So the census is used for planning. Like the way the last government used the information to help their developer mates to build a load of houses that nobody needed - 120,000 of them empty. All owned by NAMA now which we are paying for. The census crowd can fcuk right off from me. The government will use the information badly, FCUK UP, and send us the bill. They'll have to lick my arse for that census form from me.

You do realise that there is a new government from today?

Also, its rather bad form to associate this with the last government. The statistics can be used to hold governments to account.

Copper23 · 09-03-2011 04:13PM

godwin wrote: »

I don't feel like giving all that data to the government , If I don't answer the door and avoid the enumerator will they keep coming back looking for it to be filled out?

Yeah, its the law last time I checked. Stop being a self rightious prick and do something for someone else but yourself for once... jeez.

Daegerty · 09-03-2011 05:43PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Just... for the love of God, please don't put yourself down as a Catholic, unless you actually are.

I'll be putting down Devout Catholic Fundamentalist to annoy the boards.ie kb warriors

actually I might go up naart for the day

godwin · 09-03-2011 05:54PM

Copper23 wrote: »

do something for someone else

I help the sick and needy

prinz · 09-03-2011 06:08PM

Some people have little to worry about.

09-03-2011 06:35PM

To answer the OP: of course you don't have to do it. The question is whether you'll accept the consequences of not doing it. The penalties under the Statistics Act 1993:

44.—
(1) A person guilty of an offence under any provision of this Act shall be liable—
(a) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000, or
(b) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding £20,000.
(2) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 36 of this Act he shall, if the contravention continues after conviction, be guilty of an offence on every day on which it continues and for each such offence he shall be liable—
(a) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £50, or
(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding £1,000.

Section 36 covers the failure to produce requested information. So if you think 10 minutes of your time is worth £1000 plus £50 per day thereafter, throw the form in the bin

godwin · 09-03-2011 06:51PM

Has anyone ever been convicted?

28064212 wrote: »

To answer the OP: of course you don't have to do it. The question is whether you'll accept the consequences of not doing it. The penalties under the Statistics Act 1993:

Section 36 covers the failure to produce requested information. So if you think 10 minutes of your time is worth £1000 plus £50 per day thereafter, throw the form in the bin

Up-n-atom! · 09-03-2011 06:57PM

Nevermind the census, save your wrath for when they try to microchip us...

Honey-ec · 09-03-2011 06:58PM

robbie_998 wrote: »

what if im out ?

or release the hounds ?

Or the bees. Or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you...

09-03-2011 07:00PM

godwin wrote: »

Has anyone ever been convicted?

Not that I know of. Here's a link to the 2002 Enumerators' Handbook (PDF). Enumerators are told to inform people that it is legally compulsory to participate. If they are asked if anyone's ever been prosecuted, they're supposed to say:

The co-operation of the public in Irish censuses has always been excellent. The census is completely dependent on this traditional high level of public co-operation. The CSO is fully confident that the public will participate equally co-operatively on this occasion.

and that it's a matter for the State Solicitor's Office

dxhound2005 · 09-03-2011 08:12PM

chickenchaser wrote: »

sure they change the information that you put in anyway to suit their purposes...

working in data input for census one year, we were told that travellers couldn't have the religion as protestant, it could only be catholic, eventually after a letter from a travellers organisation the religions were reverted back to what people filled on the form...

Also women couldn't give birth to more than 21 children.

And the rents people paid had to be amended to fit their rules.

What year was that? The 2002 and 2006 censuses have the data about Travellers religion.

http://census.cso.ie/Census/TableViewer/tableView.aspx?ReportId=1588

Sarn · 09-03-2011 09:13PM

godwin wrote: »

I help the sick and needy

Godwin, it's the law. You'd swear the enumerators were some kind of Nazis. :P

Mike 1972 · 09-03-2011 11:04PM

chickenchaser wrote: »

travellers couldn't have the religion as protestant, it could only be catholic,.

WTF ?

09-03-2011 11:07PM

jester77 wrote: »

You will become an nonentity if you don't fill it out. Everywhere you go in Ireland you will be ignored. You will stand thirsty at the bar shouting for a pint, but you will not be heard while everyone around you is being served. You will walk up to the counter in the shop to pay for your newspaper only for the cashier to stare into space while picking her nose. You will queue for your dole only for the shutter to get pulled down once you reach the window.

Don't let it be you... fill out the damn form!

I was trying to find that clip of the simpsons where bart sold his soul so the automatic doors wouldn't work any more

Do I really have to do the census ?

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